Hello guys,

No, I don't want to breed either of my dogs, (makes a nice change for this board:) )so don't worry, this is not another one of THOSE questions.  I just wondered what the situation is about registering litters.
The question is this, if someone has a pedigree bitch, and it mates (by accident) with another different pedigree breed, and goes on to have the pups, which obviously cannot be registered with the KC, can she then still have a litter registered if she goes on to mate with a pedigree of her own breed. (or would she be 'sullied' for life!)

I'm sure that someone told me once that as long as the accidental mating was with a pedigree dog, and not a cross breed, even its its not the same breed as the bitch, further litters would be acceptable with the KC.

I know that this is a bit complicated, but i've read a few posts recently, which seem to suggest that its ok to do this. (although WHY anyone would WANT to is beyond me!)

I just want to know 'cos I'm nosy :)

Cheers
Ali :)

The first - mismating - would result in crossbreeds - ie mongrels - which of course could not be registered - even if both parents were "pedigree"!

Any future mating, within the same breed, would be registerable with the KC.

Margot

Hi,

Many years ago even many breeders believed that if a bitch had a 'misalliance' then any future puppies would be 'tainted'. I even knew one woman who had her bitch destroyed after she was accidentally mated by an 'inappropriate' dog!

It makes absolutely no difference as to whether the 'wrong' father is pedigree, crossbreed or mongrel. That particular litter cannot be registered, but it won't have any effect on subsequent litters. Provided dog and bitch are of the same breed, and both registered, then the puppies can be registered.

To give an analogy - if a woman marries and has a child, then divorces, and later has a child by another man, the 'first' father is completely unrelated to the second child.

Hope this helps!
:)

This was a common misconception even as late as the early 60's Jeangenie! Of course, the genetics of the thing was not as well known then as now.

Best wishes, John

<<misconception>>!! :D :D

Nice one, John!
:)

Hi guys,

Thanks for the info- I can rest easy tonight knowing that:)

Ali :)

I liked it when I wrote it Jan. Might have guessed you would spot it!! ;)

while we are on this sort of subject can i ask how breeders get away with registering a whole litter even though some of the puppies have a different father, i recently witnessed a puppy come into the surgery where i work for vaccination it was bought as a pedigree dalmation and it was long haired and that sort of browny merle colour that collies come in yes it did have a few spots but was a definate cross collie dalmation, we questioned the owner who said that the breeder had said it was a throw back and the owner said that all the others in the litter were typical dalmations, this puppy was registered as a dalmationa and had probably been born along with the rest of the pups as a whole litter btu had a different father, what now if this new owner chooses to breed from his 'throw back dalmation' and then registers those puppies with the kennel club which he is entitled to do as the puppy is a pedigree dalmation,,,,, weird huh!!!! what do you think??????

I would hope no stud dog owner would allow their dog to be used but I fear some would.

A similar thing happened to a fella at the club I used to go to many years ago. He brought a Sheltie but obviously something else got there! The breeder gave him a puppy from the next litter which he passed on to his daughter and for years both dogs were worked in Obedience. He still entered the dog as a Sheltie and if queried told the judge that he had the pedigree for it at home!! Needless to say the dog got to be very well known ;)

Regards, John

mmmmmmmm interesting it sort of makes me wonder why i bother making sure my bitch is covered by the correct dog !!!!! i suppose i'm honest like many other breeders and are breeding for type and temperament and not for money

I think most breeders are honest. Unfortunately I also think a very large proportion do not have the knowledge to be able to do a good job and even more unfortunately I don't think they even realise that they don't have that knowledge! Witness all the posts on here, "My bitch has just come into season, where can I find a stud dog?" Very obviously any dog would do and of course if it only had three legs it would add to the rarity value of the puppies. Surely half the fun of owning a dog is in the researching of its ancestors and half the fun of breeding is the researching possible stud dogs. Trying to find something which will improve your bitch, compliment her good points without accentuating the poorer bits

Regards, John

I agree John too many people do not give enough thought to choice of stud dog, many go to the latest fashionable champion thus reducing the gene pool in some breeds. I am always amazed at how many "breeders" do not know their own pups pedigrees when you ring up to enquire about a puppy, or who do not understand what a pedigree is even!

Equally it is the puppy buyers who will ask "Does the pedigree have any champions in it?" or more likely, "Why aren't there any dogs written in red?" This is because I never highlight the champions in red or any other colour, my pedigrees are written or printed in black ink only. I always reply, "If you are really interested in the breed and do eventually want to breed from your dog, you would be willing to actually learn enough about the dogs in the pedigree and then you would know which are the champions and which are not" I usually add that if the new owner at any time did decide to breed from their dog then they should learn about their dogs pedigree and that of potential stud dogs, as well as doing all the necessary health checks.

"I never highlight the champions in red or any other colour, my pedigrees are written or printed in black ink only"

I really like this idea and your reasons for doing it. Hope you don't mind if I pinch it! :)