I'm interested in breeding shar peis and would like to know where i can obtain several good brood bitches, preferably females which have had a litter allready. there is a post further down where a lady says to forget breeding sharpeis, i was wondering why she said this and would like some more information. we have been offered a bitch for £600 but she doesnt get along with other dogs, so obviously we had to say no on that one. I f anyone can help please contact me, amydeans6@hotmail.com thanks

The lady said to forget about breeding sharpeis because she loves the breed, and knows how hard it is to get one good enough to breed from. They are a very difficult breed, and have suffered greatly from the 'get-rich-quick' brigade who jumped on the bandwagon in their early days in this country and basically bred anything with wrinkles and charged the earth for them. It has taken many years to try to overcome this.

Nobody sells their good brood bitches!

>>several good brood bitches, preferably females<< well got that bit correct anyway :D

And people wonder why people are a bit sharp on this board !?!

I'm afraid my real feelings about people who simply want to breed for money are unprintable.  I suggest the Guest buys a stuffed toy.

Poor Dizzy, she must be getting wound up tonight.

Sandra

I can say ALL the Sharpei owners and breeders on CD will be rather annoyed at THAT POST Sandra

Sorry peilady, I forgot there were several of you.

Hey Sandra

I didn't take it personally...LOL, I just imagine all Pei owners would be annoyed with the posters request :-(

;) phew, thought I was going to turn all wrinkly overnight from the wrath of pei owners :D

Rotflmao.... well there's nothing wrong with an odd wrinkle between friends...LOL

guest--i said this because we discourage puppy farmers in shar-pei-----we also try to breed the very best we can, most pei owners on here show dogs and know what lines suit which, also the problems the breed has, and one thing i expect we have in common is our love of the breed-we really can do without people like you seeing it as a money making venture-im sure most of us have seen poorly bred pei that dont resemble the breed one bit---------i had someone just like you ask me to sell her my champion bitches dam a week or so back, to which i refused--she went into silly money  £3.000 to buy this  bitch from me,----id give her away to a pet home before id ever sell her to someone like that,
please go and  "spoil"  some other breed,-----and heres the bad news, a well bred and well reared shar-pei litter will never make you rich,

You ARE getting rid of her after her next litter aren't you? 

take it to email please

Sorry admin! It just irritates me when people get rid of their dogs because they won't be producing anymore litters.

See nothing wrong with letting an older dog go to a good home, PTS is a different matter, as is selling to the highest bidder to be used as a brood bitch. How people control the numbers in their kennel is their business, we may do it in a different way but that should not give us cause to comment, on what is a private matter not causing any disservice to the dog concerned.

jackie-how do you veiw breeding from unsound dogs ???  or sending dogs overseas that have bitten children --i think some in pei need to put there own house in order,

We let some of our retired brood bitches go to pet homes - carefullly vetted of course, and occasionally dogs too (Hi Lea & Beano).  Whilst we love them all to bits we often feel that some of them would be happy in retirement in an only dog enviroment, with sole clalim on a sofa and fireside.

And whilst the other criticisms sound as if they are pointed at specific incidents, generally we would only consider selling to overseas dogs we consider excellent in every way, and would only consider selling anywhere dogs with good temperaments.  People biting is very high on the not suitable  for selling list!   There are a lot of horror stories about people selling 'rubbish' or problem dogs abroad, on the principal if it is so far away the buyers wont do anything!  Not fair at all.  On the soundness issue, we all bang on to novice posters often enough about only breeding from sound stock with good conformation not to even have to go into that one again!
bye
Gwen

<<<<<<<<and occasionally dogs too (Hi Lea & Beano).>>>>>>>
If a show kennels have alot of dogs, then dogs that have come to the end of their 'useful'(for want of a better word before I get pounced on) life, isnt it better for them to go to a 'forever' home, and as gwen says, have prime place on a sofa, and be loved. Rather than live their life out in a kennels until the die????????????
If it wasnt for a kennels letting one of their dogs go, I wouldnt have Beano. Who has just come in from outside sopping wet!!!!!!!!!!!(thanks Gwen, you could have warned me of the fur thats like a sponge!!!!!!!!!!!)
And I am sure, most dogs would like being spoilt rotten in front of a fire, than being spoilt rotten in a kennel when they wont be showing/breeding anymore.
Lea :)

I personally can't see what's wrong with finding a dog it's own quiet fireside :D  I suppose there are those that do ship them in and out :(  which is wrong.

But then there are those who spend a lot of time, thought and energy doing the right thing for their dog.  It also benefits a lot of dog owners who may not be in the right circumstances for a puppy.

I see nothing wrong with rehoming older dogs, I have done so myself, very happily.  I love my dogs dearly and they have a good "dog" life as part of my family, but I do keep 2/3/4, and so they get either a half to a quarter of my attention.  When the RIGHT home comes along, normally with families who have lost an oldie, or maybe have had a puppy from me before, then I feel that I would be selfish to deprive them of the undivided attention of a family of their own!  So long as they are with people who love them and give them the right sort of care and attention, they don't me ME as much as I miss THEM!  I try to consider my dogs first and my feelings second!
I must say that there was a time that I seriously considered a Shar Pei - a smaller dog with less grooming than my Rough Collies as I am getting older but having joined a Pei site to learn more about them, I was horrified at the nasty personal comments towards those who had success in the breed, I can only assume by jealous folk who were 'also rans'!  Maybe human nature but I decided that it wasn't for me and now I just admire them from a distance. :(

oh dear guest that is not a nice future you have in store for you intended girls.
In  my opinion it is criminal to breed a bitch to her last gasp. I never in my life took more then two litters from any breed I ever owned.
I dont care if they are kennel club registered or dog lover registerd ,it is still not right to do that. Kennel club reg does not make breeding season after season right no matter what the reason is . be it for money or glory.
I ask you to reconsider your plans and give some thought to the dogs. they are not conveyer belts in a factory .They are little dogs, who want no more in their life only to give love and loyalty to their owners all they ask in return is to be loved .
Please go to a site for unwanted dogs and then ask yourself if you have the stomach to risk what you breed ending up in a pound to be killed.
Mari
I have just heard Jordan from, I am a celebrity has surrendered  up her 5 yr old pei  .

To breed dogs ethically it requires a lot of money time and effort.  Because of the responsibilities for the puppies produced for the rest of their lives, ongoing back up for new owners, it is next to impossible to make money out of breeding dogs properly.

The most that a breeder worthy of the name can hope for is to recoup a little of what it costs to maintain their dogs.  Some people supplement their Hobby breeding dogs by running a business to do with dogs such as boarding or Pet Supplies, but will not be gaining real income from the dogs themselves after expenses.

Just as an example.  I own a medium size breed that doesn't eat a lot.  My oldest bitch now 12 had two litters which in theory made me a profit of £800 (she had two litters of four pups), now you can do your sums, but she has cost an awful lot more than that in her 12 years of life. 

Her daughter did rather better and had 3 litters, on one I lost money, and on the other two I made a reasonable amount about £2000 in total, she is now 9 years old, and hopefully will live around another 4 or 6 years.  I have just spent £400 at the Vet to have a small tumour treated, and she has mostly been healthy through her life, except for a tail injury last year costing £200.

Now the dogs I feed at bulk costs at 30p a day, that is £110 a year for a dog that eats only 8oz of food a day, then innoculations, worming and flea treatment will add a further £65 and Insurance (or money set aside for vet) £150 means each of my dogs costs me £325 a year, without including any treats, bedding, equipment, show expenses, or boarding costs if I go away.  

Multiply just that cost by the average 12 years is well over £4000, so as you can see my two oldest ones have been very poor business,and I expect the same for the others.

The only people that make money from breeding dogs are those with no scruples, who scrimp on basic care, overbreed their bitches, and dump them at the end of their productive lives, that is why decent dog breeders despise them.

The products of their business are sold to anyone who has the money, regardless of suitability, and they do not take an interest in the pups or their owners after the sale, and breed devotees and general rescue pick up the resulting pieces.

The only reason you should consider breeding is to breed for the love of a breed and the wish to see it continue to thrive by only the best being bred from in health, tmeprament and fitting the breed standard, in order to provide the next generation for other breed lovers and yourself.

If your aim is to devote yourself to the breed inorder to safeguard 9it's future and produce and show quality stock, then your best bet is to join the breed club, attend shows, and get to know breeders, one of whom may be willi9ng to let you have a well bred bitch who if she does well at shows and passes all relevant health screening, they may lift the breeding restrictions to enable you with good advice to breed a litter worthy of the breed.

This is where morals go out the window.

I am beginning to think with the amount of posts like this people are trying to make a fool of us.

The world is getting madder by the day.

Guest..... All i will say is this, when you start to make money from breeding shar pei (there is no plural of shar pei) then please let me know where i am going wrong. I've spent over £30,000 in the past 4 years purchasing & importing from the US & Russia, & i'm still not making money. I bred 3 females last year & ended up with a total of 8 puppies between all 3 of them. One of my imports died & another had to be pts in quarantine. I also lost another female that was 6 yrs old, but she had retired anyway. Please have a rethink about your request & if you are serious about breeding to better the shar pei in this country, then find a good reputable breeder that will sell you a quality puppy. I find it disturbing that you only want to purchase older females that have had puppies, not many people will sell brood bitches that are good producers. I'm seriously hoping this whole thing is a wind up!    

I agree with you Mari,it makes me sick to see breeders breed their dogs season after season without so much as a break,do these people truly care for their dogs?? I think NOT,when the bitch doesnt take i think it's their body trying to tell their owner something,dont ya think mari,you know what i'm talking bout ;)
I also posted under "guest" previous post,"which breed is best" on page 4 i think.i cant help thinking he/she is a W.U.M

christine
     x

Unfortunately I don't think this is a WUM, she even leaves her e.mail address.  What also worries me is she mentions other dogs, are they part of the breeding factory too?

:(

:(  if this isnt a wum then this truly breaks my heart,i cant bear the thought of any animal being treated inhumanely or used as a puppy factory,These people just can not have a heart,i simply cant comprehend being cruel to a dog or any animal,i even try to avoid stepping on ants when i'm walking along,lol. Just incase i half kill it and it suffers!
I truly hope there is a doggy heaven,where there is no more suffering!
ONE of the reasons i am so passionate about this subject is because my little shih-tzu was used as a puppy machine,was severly beaten and starved, these previous owners took great delight in sicking their big dogs on to her But a sweeter dog you could not find she is still so trusting and loveable,altho she is a bit shy with strangers and doesnt like getting too close to big dogs which is understandable,but everyday she is getting better :)

christine

Theres Really Only Little Left to say- apart from the fact that the same message, but also talking about bulldogs has been posted - with different contact details!   Brainless - you are a star, if you keep posting the costs, we might just get the message through!

Sniff sniff - still think I smell Troll!

Margot

i agree with you ozzie----id be shocked if someone bred a bitch season after season too, ------------with no breaks, they really musnt care for there dogs, and no self respecting person would ever buy a puppy from them.

who in their right mind wants to breed shar pei unless they have agood line to breed from, not only are they prone to chronich skin complaints, food allergies and shap pei syndrome they are usually nervous due to the fact they don't see anything till they've had their eyes tacked open at 8 weeks old and by then they usually have scarred corneas which usually makes them partially sighted for the rest of their lives, also theres amyloidosis / kidney problems and excessive skin! need i go on!!!!!!!!! only shar pei with impeccable breeding should be bred from and even then should have the appropriate health checks,. rememeber as soon as the puppies eyes are tacked then you have altered the natural confirmation and should not show or breed with that dog. there are alot of breeds that a novice could get a way with breeding and shar pei are not it...........believe me i've seen some puppies with eyes which have been damaged irrepairably due to breeders not having a clue what to look for......

Maxi.....i have to address some of your comments as they are incorrect. It is not true that shar pei do not see properly till the age of 8 weeks old when they are tacked! The pups are tacked at around 21 days if needed, & if this is done in time, then there is no damage done to the eye itself. Shar pei puppies are not naturally nervous, they are the same as any other puppy. They must be socialized properly when very young babies, but that is the same with any breed. There are currently no recommended health checks required for shar pei before breeding, although i do think this needs to be looked at. Eye tacking does not alter the natural conformation of the eye, only entropion surgery will do this. Puppies that have been eye tacked at 3 weeks of age, can & are shown & bred from. Any pup that has surgery should not be shown, but many still are. The KC does not disqualify any shar pei that has been eye tacked, it is only a temporary procedure ( around 10 days). I DO agree with your post where you say that breeding shar pei is not for the novice owner!   Sue.     

It's sad to see that those that have genuinely replied to this thread, albeit to a very naively worded question, have had to put up with snidey comments from those who wish to finger point.   All I can say is "People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones", or "What goes around comes around"!

Dizzy has nothing to prove in her breed but there's probably a lot who have!   And as Admin have said take it to email!    I think Val has had her eyes opened as have I!!!!!!!!  :(  :(  :(  Not nice, not grown up and all it does is give the breed bad publicity!