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- By minnie mouse [gb] Date 09.02.04 22:42 UTC
Had my girl mated on 12 & 14 day of season have a 7month old pup on day 19 he got to her outside even though i have been keeping them apart but did not have a tie.Could he have impregrant her as well.I am going to have done when he is 9months old thank you all
- By John [gb] Date 09.02.04 22:50 UTC
The short answer is yes! Now the only way you will know who is the sire is to have the puppies (including your 7 month old one) DNA profiled. (I assume the 7 month old is the same breed?) Obviously you can take no action to  prevent her from becoming pregnant by him without loosing the other mating as well so you have a choice, all puppies or no puppies.

Regards, John
- By gwen [gb] Date 10.02.04 08:37 UTC
An d to add to Johns excellent answer - you could end up with some pups by each of the dogs.
bye
Gwen
- By LJS Date 10.02.04 09:15 UTC
Just out of interest how do you stand if you were to register the litter with the KC in this instance ? I know a few people would not admit to it I presume but I assume the only way of ensuring the litter is of one Sire would be DNA tests ?
- By gwen [gb] Date 10.02.04 10:12 UTC
Problem is, while I think DNA testing will be essential if the bitch is in whelp, the results may prove 1 or other is the sire, which is fine, but if both have sired 1 or more each not sure haow the registration will go forward.  I know it used to be you could put both potential Fathers down, but dont think this is allowed now.  Anyone know, perhaps only part could be registered.
bye
Gwen
- By Moonmaiden Date 10.02.04 10:32 UTC
I think you have to put both possible fathers down then DNA tests done asap
- By Fillis Date 10.02.04 12:17 UTC
And as it could be a "mixed father" litter, every pup has to be tested.
- By kellymccoy [us] Date 10.02.04 13:11 UTC
its possible though not likely the second dog is the father.....some bitches will stand like that..i would waiit and see when they are born if its sixty days from the first breeding you'll know
- By Lily Mc [gb] Date 10.02.04 13:29 UTC
Gwen,

Believe it is now not possible to register multiple fathers, but must have DNA testing done - saw something in the Gazette about it, I think, but haven't retained info on when this rule applies from as will not apply to me :D

M.
- By Anwen [gb] Date 12.02.04 13:55 UTC
I've just printed out a registration form from the KC site, so I presume it is the latest one & under stud dog it says " if a bitch has been served by more than one dog of the same breed as herself in the same season, the name of all the dogs must be given unless there is valid scientific evidence identifying a single sire."
- By Lily Mc [gb] Date 12.02.04 15:04 UTC
OK, bugs me not to know the answer to things I've read and should have remembered, so phoned the KC to check :D

Official answer is that litters under query must be DNA tested and can be registered with multiple sires only if puppies are by different fathers ....

So, a litter could be registered as pups 1 & 2 sired by Dog A, pups 3 & 4 sired by Dog B.

But pups 1, 2, 3 & 4 could NOT be registered as sired by Dog A OR Dog B.

Hope that makes sense .....

M.
- By gwen [gb] Date 12.02.04 20:04 UTC
Yes, that makes perfect sense.  I knew, in the dim and distant past, that mixed litters could be registered with the names of all possible sires.  DNA obviously makes this no longer necessary, you can identify without any doubt, and register accordingly.  Oh the wonders of modern science! :)
bye
Gwen
- By Anwen [gb] Date 12.02.04 20:39 UTC
Hope they update the registration form soon then :D
- By tcarlaidh Date 12.02.04 21:40 UTC
Registration documents are being changed from March, I wonder if it will be the cost of registrations that change :)
Topic Dog Boards / Breeding / help

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