Having just read the thread on the off lead terrier that went up to an on lead large dog and got attacked I wondered how many of you think it would be a good idea to muzzle ALL dogs when they are out, unless they were being trained or competed with?

I would have no objection to this with my lot - would you - and if so why?

Christine

I would not mind either but my breed have a moderate length of nose, would have thought it could cause difficulty with breeds with brachycephalic heads, particulaly in hot weather. Jackie H

i would have no objection if all dogs were muzzled, if one is muzzled at themoment everyone assumes it is nasty.

I have tried a muzzle on one of mine to stop rubbish eating, but unfortunately as the modern ones do not seem to have bucle fastenings, she was able to remove it quite easily, would get expensive if theykept coming off and I didn't see where in the undergrowth they were. My Doberman friend used muzzles on teo of hers who also had been ill due to rubbish eating, and to stop them picking up hedgehogs at 5 and 6am. She doesn't use them when walking at other times because of the negative reaction to the dogs by other walkers assuming they are vicious (they are the most wonderful softies).

I don't care what people think if one of my dog's is muzzled I know they cannot do any damage, and if all dogs had to be muzzled (and if this was the case then more muzzles for the brachy breeds would have to be developed) this would not arise?

Christine

The only way to muzzle one of my dogs would be to put its whole head in a muzzle! No, I am not in favour.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

I get so cross with uncaring owners and loose
dogs running around like lunatics that sometimes
I wish all dogs had to be muzzled and kept on a
lead. Not much fun for the dogs though.
What about keeping the owners tied up and
muzzled.:D
Jaq

Im not in favour of muzzles either ! why should I muzzle my dogs when they are perfectly behaved ? if they had to be muzzled and on a lead all the time it would be terrible I walk up so very hilly bits and slippy bits if mine were on the lead I'd be in plaster very soon :(

If my Dogs were nasty with other people or other dogs then yes I would muzzle them.

But as they are not and they are good on the lead good at recall etc then no im not prepared to muzzle them and would hate to see any law like this come in.

Karen

My friend with Rottweilers uses a muzzle on one of hers to stop her from scrounging up scraps of food- she too has been very ill due to this! Due to the type of breed there is no need for me to tell you what sort of looks she gets- people have actually crossed the road to get away from her!!!!!! Sassy is the biggest softie I've ever met- I trust her completely with my life, my kids the lot!!!!!!!

What a thought!
It will put an end to "throwing a ball in the park for the dog" and I would imagine it would reduce the quality of life for many many dogs.

Not sure I agree with muzzling all dogs but I do think there is a case for keeping all dogs on lead, particularly in a public place. As stated in the other topic, not all people want loose dogs running up to their own. I totally sympathise with owners of dominant dogs who don't like other dogs. These owners usually, (and I say usually because I know some fools don't,) keep their dogs on a lead but what are they supposed to do when a loose dog comes charging up to them. I am very lucky to have sociable dogs but I keep them on leads when I see another dog coming towards me, I fully realise that not everyone is appreicative of my loose dogs. Also I meet so many people that have lost their dogs, " have you seen a brindle boxer?" you know the sort of thing, leads would solve this problem instantly. So muzzles.... not really, as long as the owner is in control of the dog but leads...maybe, it would solve many altercations between dogs and their owners.

Deary deary me! The thought of my lot charging through tangled brambles and undergrowth with muzzles on to get caught up in!

To quote John Mackenroe 'You cannot be serious!!'

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats

Why should the well trained dog be penalised because some people either can't be bothered or don't want to train their dogs? I can see no valid reason why the well behaved dog should be so treated and would object most strongly! Some of us work hard on our training and would not take kindly to that silly idea!

John

I would hate to have to muzzle mine too, if people took time and cared about their dogs then good training is all that's needed. Why should all dogs be penalised because of a few irresponsible owners. I was recently asked whether I was having trouble with my two larger dogs as someone had seen them fighting, what they had in fact seen was some very noisy boisterous play. some peple just don't understand dogs. Ingrid

What a stupid idea. My labs would hate to be muzzled and why should they.
I have a rotti who is always muzzled on walks due to ripping a friends dogs leg when they were playing, she grabbed him and he needed stitches so for safety we now muzzle her but I wouldn't dream of muzzling a well behaved dog!!!

I don't see the need to muzzle well behaved dogs but on the other hand I can't believe well behaved dogs would be a problem to muzzle, would they not accept it in the same way they do a collar a Halti or a waterproof coat? Can see you would not wish to send a dog into cover wearing one but for public walking I don't believe most dogs would not accept in in a very short time and look at the muzzle in the same way they do a collar, the signal that an outting is on offer. Jackie H

Most of us think our dogs are well trained - but are they?

Does your dog look at you the moment you say his/her name, do they come the moment you call them. Can you stop them with a word when they are coming towards you (something on wheels or horse suddenly fast approaching for instance) - these are just the basic safety commands for a dog and not many will do them every time (or even most of the time).

What do you (generic you) consider a well behaved and/or a well trained dog?

John asked why should the well trained dog be penalised? I think this will probably ultimately happen because the majority can't be bothered to put the work in.

I was doing some heelwork with Maverick on our local playing field on Tuesday as it has a fairly level surface when a small terrier came barking towards us with the owner in tepid pursuit yelling at her dog. No way was that dog going to return to her but when she caught it she picked it up and told it what a good dog it was (I assume 'cos she managed to catch it). What message is this giving the dog - then had the cheek to tell me it was well trained and did as it was told.

Christine

Hi, my dogs are of good temperament and reliable with other good natured dogs when they are introduced properly,and always on a lead when in a public place. However if a loose dog bounded up to them and made an aggressive stance they would return the compliment and growl and maybe bite if the dog got close enough. I would consider this normal behaviour for a leashed threatened dog and especially as I usually walk two or more togther - pack mentality would kick in. What on earth do we expect from our dogs? Why shouldn't they protect themselves from a threat of injury? If a person threatened me with violence in a public place and I was capable of "getting one in first" (which I'm not!!) to prevent myself from being hurt/killed then I jolly well would, and why shouldn't I? Does this mean I should muzzle my dogs and render them incapable of defending themselves?

Jackie, reading through these messages I was the only one who said I couldn't muzzle my dogs, the others said they wouldn't want to. If you look at the shape of a Griffon's face you will see why I can't muzzle one, or for that matter put a Halti on. They have very upturned noses and prominent eyes, and the nose is up between the eyes. Any attempt to muzzle them would have to cover the eyes as well and presumably have to be fastened so tight as to be extremely painful, unless as I suggested in my first mail, the muzzle went over the whole head.

Joan
Take the rough with the smooth

Hi Fleetgold If you look at the start of this thread you will see I had resevations about the muzzle and the dogs with flatter faces. It is I know almost impossable to muzzle some dogs and will remain so unless someone designs a suitable muzzle. My second post was in answer of those who said their dogs would hate it, I think they may for a day or two but after that would accept it as the norm, dogs unlike us are very adaptable. Jackie H

I'm sorry but my rotti has been wearing a muzzle for over a yr now and still hates it. She is not aggressive she just plays hard and as rottis tend to do she will grab a dog in play.
We introduced the muzzle slowly and correctly and with the help of my vet who is a qualified behaviourist. At first she would rub her nose along the floor and this resulted in injuries from the muzzle to her nose. (We use the Baskerville muzzle). The muzzle has to be fastened tightly or she will take the thing off but she will still bring her front paws up and try to take it off, her nails then tear her face. Her chin is also grazed from rubbing along the floor trying to get it off.
The mickey muzzle does not allow the dog to pant etc so thats no good.
The other problem I have with the Baskerville muzzle is that they break every week, and at £10 a time that's a lot of money.
I am thinking about giving up the muzzle and letting her go unmuzzled but its a worry.

On the subject of training, all dogs CAN be taught to respond straight away to your voice etc. Mine were chasing rabbits yesterday towards the railway line when I suddenly realised that the fencing on to the track had been broken down by some stupid idiot, and there was a train approaching. One blow of the whistle and 5 dogs stopped straight away and looked at me. Another blow of the whistle and they returned to me and waited to be released. I am not strict with the dogs but we walk near railway lines and across farmland etc and they know that when we are out if I blow that whistle or shout they MUST respond. The dogs I was walking yesterday ranged from 10 months up to nearly nine years.

Hi Jackie..When you say dogs accept a Halti I think that a lot of dogs dont accept them,We have had dogs brought in to rescue together with a halti and they still dont like them I usually put a different lead on them when they are adopted and have never had problems just a few lessons to start with. ,we probably have about thirty haltis in a box somewhere, in my opinion Haltis are awful things they end up catching on the eye as they are IMO not designed right and are another quick fix to not training your dog to walk nicely on a lead in the beginning,My Labs are taught very young on a lead and I have only ever needed a slip rope lead on mine,even my pup now whos eleven months has walked lovely from the word go,I dont like haltis at all and dogs wearing them seem to look totally miserable. Just my opinion Folks :)

I bought a headcollar for my Boxer as he pulls all the time however, the second it goes on he freaks so much so that he hyperventilates and turns blue despite the headcollar being loose. I tried all the 'tricks' to get him usd to it but he sufferes to much and I just put up with the pulling at the moment!

I used a Halti on my Border collie 3 times and it was awful cutting in to his eyes in the end the halti ended up in the bin.

I still do use a half check chain for training and I know a lot of people don't like them but if used the right way they are great.

Karen

my boarder collie Molly has to wear her muzzle when we are out in busy places, people all around her lose hands nice fingers to chew on!

Molly is my resuced BC who was badly abused she nips, to some you might say bite but its a BC thing nipping. I like to think I am a sensable owner and have molly's welfare at heart I want her with me forever and not taken away as a result of her nipping the wrong person.

Last year whilst on holiday in Cornwall, we were in St Ives in the busy street (if anyone has been there your no what I mean shoulder to shoulder!) Molly was fine with us trotting with us in her muzzel, I poped into a shop whilst my husband had molly out side, when this lady came up to him and told him off for molly wearing a muzzel she said it made her look dangouers! Take if off she said... I heard and came out of the shop and said if she wanted to keep her fingers on the end of her arm then purhaps it would not be a good idea to take molly's muzzel off! Told her if she looked a danger with her muzzel on I don't care I am taking care of my best friend and we walked off to the pub!

It's not a matter of "oh look that dog has a muzzel on it must be dangerous" I am being responsible. Molly is not a lover of it I must say, but I try to make her feel she is a good girl and make it fun for her. She does not need it when we are out on our country walks as she does as she is told and comes back when told too she is dog sociable loves running with other dogs and playing. We carry her tennis ball with us which she loves and keeps her mind on the ball and not fingers! She only has to wear it when us humans soround her!

I don't think it would be appropiate for all dogs to be muzzled, why should your dog who does as its told wear a muzzel? I think that would really spoil the days walk cant bark, catch the ball? If anything could really harm him or her thinking they have done something wrong?

Julieann

I have just gone through 5 months of living hell thanks to a family trying to take me to court for 'Keeping a dog dangerously out of control'... My greyhound was on a short lead when a 12 week old Jack Russell terrier pup was allowed to come charging right underneath his legs without a lead or even a collar. In play and without a hint of aggression, the greyhound got hold of the pup's leg for a few seconds in much the same way as it might a tiny cuddly toy. The pup subsequently died...

The family had the nerve to accuse me of being irresponsible when they had allowed their pup free 'rein' to approach any potential hazard. Would they have allowed a two year old child to run upto a strange dog? No, I don't think so (well I sincerely hope not). They should have exercised the same care of the pup, equally as innocent of danger.

My dog was on a lead, theirs wasn't. It's as simple as that. I muzzle the greyhound at all times now but resent it bitterly when he has to suffer because of other owners' stupidity...

Their excuse for letting their pup approach anything it liked? 'We are trying to socialise him'

I fear for dog ownership in this country, I really do...

People are so silly aren't they: socialising is one thing but never just willy nilly and some owners don't seem to have brains!!!

I have to say, I would feel very sorry if my girl had to be muzzled as a matter of course;l get so much pleasure out of seeing her race around free, and playing with her Kong on a rope...in fact I do a lot of my training with toys so frankly i would be b******* if she had to wear a muzzle :(

I do hope it never gets as bad as having to muzzle all dogs.....

LIndsay

Christine, I think you answered my question there!

<John asked why should the well trained dog be penalised? I think this will probably ultimately happen because the majority can't be bothered to put the work in.>

If a person can't be bothered to train their dog then maybe they dont deserve a dog in the first place.
ALL my walks are with training in mind, whether it is in leaving stock and wildlife alone, (Steadyness training) or whether it is a specific type of retrieve I'm working on, Again sometimes It's just a walk around doing a little heelwork and keeping an eye open for somewhere interesting to do some work.
Some of this training is on private ground but most is in public parks and common land so where would i stand then? Addthis to the fact that the DDA ruled that the inside of your own car was a public place so would private land be classed as private land if this ever became law?
One of the ways I have always recomended to people to train their dogs to come when called is to carry a toy with them when going out far a walk, the ideabeing to make the area around the owner the most interesting place for the dog to be. What would happen then? A muzzle would automaticly perclude such training methods!

Sorry Christine but you have got this one around your ears!!!!

Regards, John

Another aspect to this has been mentioned before. I walk in some very out of the way places and have twice had things happen which I feel have only been minor because I had dogs with me, would a dog with a muzzle on be a deterrent ?
I used to do this because of my GSDs problems chances of meeting other dogs was virtually nil and we could both relax, now I do it because I like having time on my own, doubt I would if I had to muzzle them all. Ingrid

Funsize that must have awful for you. Did the case get to court? What happened to actually resolve it? In my way of thinking neither you or your dog were to blame for the incidence. I cannot believe any court would find in their favour. Again, the simple question has to be asked...who's dog was out of control? I think we know the answer to that one.

Thank you for the support, all that replied to my story.. My greyhound is now an extremely miserable dog, being muzzled constantly and never getting off-lead for a gallop. His life is hardly worth living and neither is mine, constantly worried about litigation if another incident like this were to arise. The Crown Prosecution Service never got back to me to inform me as to whether there was a case to answer, so I have to assume that they threw it out... Quite right you may say, but I still have many nights of restless sleep wondering if the family are going to launch some kind of civil prosecution. I wrote two letters expressing my sincere sympathy and detailing how sorry I was that this should happen, and of course offered to cover any expenses incurred, but they haven't even had the courtesy to reply other than to report me to the police.

The other side to this, of course, is that ex-racing greyhounds can be ticking timebombs where small animals are concerned... People innocent of the greyhound racing industry and the way some of these animals are trained to 'play' with small animals to heighten the chase instinct are simply not told the truth about these dogs. I certainly wasn't. The advertising says that retired greyhounds make '...perfect pets...'. I was one of the many that believed them. I was not told that he had any problems with small animals, I was not told that I had to be careful of small dogs off-lead, I was not told to keep him away from cuddly / squeaky toys (heightens the 'chase' instinct) I was not even told that I shouldn't exercise him off-lead eventually... It is only since that I have learned these costly lessons.

The greyhound racing industry churns out hundreds and hundreds of these poor animals every year and I fully understand the dilemma that the associated rescue societies face in needing to re-home these animals at a fair rate of knots to keep the kennel-traffic flowing, but I know of many cases of dogs having been returned to rescue kennels after a case such as this, only to be advertised the next day as a 'perfect pet - available for re-homing'! To be fair, in most incidences, these dogs are re-homed with muzzles and the new owners informed to keep them muzzled at all times while out walking, but are rarely told if the greyhound has killed before. (If you are wondering how I know so much about the running of kennels, it's because I worked at one as a volunteer for almost a year before I stopped, troubled by what goes on behind the scenes.)

It's an awful dilemma caused by an indiscriminate and inhuman 'sport' which uses the natural abilities of a beautiful animal to make money and to which there is no easy answer; banning the 'sport' would only drive it underground where even more dogs would be subjected to cruelty and abuse of their instincts...

It makes me ashamed to be a human being...

Funsize,

Have you tried to contact the CPS to find out whether the case was thrown out? They do take their time I am afraid, and just when you think you can start to move on, the letter arrives. I don't mean to add to your worry's but to put your mind at rest may be you should try and contact them or you wont rest.

You have had such an awful time of it lately. And you sound very down and in your case I can understand it. And your poor hound having to wear his muzzel all the time must be very sad for him, but at least you are being responsable and looking after his welfare?

Chin up and all the best

Julieann

Hi Folks,

I'm a new poster on here but I have to say I would be most upset if I had to muzzle my dogs. As a Rottweiler owner, I experience immense prejudice and a muzzle would only fuel this (it's bad enough with a head collar!). More importantly though, I don't see why all dogs should suffer the indignity of a muzzle for those who should wear one.

However, I strongly agree that all dogs should be adequately trained and unfortunately there is a lack of this. I know that when out with my dogs, I can down them at a distance (though they always walk within a certain range as they follow the leader) and they always come back when called. I feel that there is a lack of manners on a lot of dog owners part. When I am out, Doris and Keeper are always told to walk to heel if another owner and their dog are approaching, they are never allowed to approach a dog or owner. The amount of owners that let their dogs rush up and hassle mine is amazing! They always seem to think it's funny that a smaller dog can hassle a Rottweiler - however if mine did snap, I have a nasty feeling where the blame would be.

Only a couple of weeks ago when we were out, a crossbreed came racing up to mine and tried to mount Doris. Keeper was understandably upset about this but I was not going to permit him to resolve the matter - he went down on command and I shouted to the owner to come and get the dog. The owner did not rush, just carried on bawling at the dog so I separated them. The dog did go back to the owner, what happened next? The owner got the dog to sit, then hit him. With this type of mentality, what hope have we for well behaved dogs!

As John says, it's every owners responsibility to train their dog - I don't feel that those who do should not be penalised for the "can't be bothered" crowd.

Sorry to rabble on but this is something I have strong views on. My dogs are regarded as "devils" yet there behaviour is superior to 95% of the dogs I meet on a walk.

Kind Regards.

Alison.

Hi Alison,

It is good for all dogs to mix run and play with each other if they are trained to come back on your say so. We will call Molly back if we see a dog on it's lead or if there dog is off lead she is told to wait or drop down, whent he dogs pass its a matter of common sense really we end up chating to the other owner and the dogs run around have a chase and play and I feel that it's good to get dogs to mix and play. Once called to come back to heel she does. Though it did take time to get this to happen as Molly is re homed as a resuce dog from Battersea Dogs Home and has had all sorts of problems and I get a lump in my throat when I see her bounding off enjoing her self.

Yes we do see a lot of dogs thundering around with owners screaming at the tops of their voices to call them back. And that does let the side down really.

Julieann

Hi Julieann,

Nice to hear a good story where a rescue's problems have been resolved - well done!

Kind Regards.

Alison.

Alison.. What an enlightening, uplifting experience to realise that there really ARE sensible dog-owners out there!

Hi Funsize,

I try to be! I work on the basis that each owner and dog should be afforded good manners.

It really annoys me when people have their dogs out of control then blame the dog! I work on the principle that there are no bad dogs, just bad owners.

Dealing with Rotts, you see far too many of these unfortunately.

Kind Regards.

Alison.

Alison could not agree more with your posting. Could not have put it any better. So true see it most days, dogs not coming back then getting told off! Some just don't have any common up stairs?

Julieann

funsize

How terrible for you and your hound! People just amaze me at times. They should not have had their puppy of the lead at that early stage without propery training etc. Your dog was just protecting himself? And the worst thing out of this is your dog was on a lead and other was not? So how they can sugguest that your dog was a dangers dog is just laughable! I am sorry their pup died but its there fault.

Molly wears her muzzle when I feel the situation requires it. but to mazzel all dogs to me is anti dogs and their owners!

Julieann

You have my sympathy Funsize. Some years ago I was walking along a quiet Edinburgh street with a leashed wolfhound and deerhound. A family approached from the other direction with a small unleashed poodle-like dog. It was late on a summer evening, and there were few people around, so the poodle owners could not have failed to see the hounds, but they made no attempt to put their dog on a lead. As we came closer the poodle rushed between my dogs' legs, yapping and nipping. The wolfhound ignored it with majestic indifference, but after a short time the deerhound gave a single warning growl. At which point Mrs Poodle eventually called her dog (which disobeyed), the older Poodle child had hysterics, and Mr Poodle started to loudly abuse me for having these 'monsters', and allowing them to be 'out of control'. In the end I had to pick up the poodle and hand it to young Miss Poodle who seemed the most sensible of the lot. The Poodle family then retreated still complaining loudly. Had either of my hounds retaliated with their teeth, that would most likely have been the end of the poodle, and I would quite possibly have found myself in your situation. Some owners of small dogs seem to think that the size of their dog relieves them of all responisbility for it's actions.

Sharon just goes to show how stupid people are? They should not have a dog if you can not control it or at least be on it's lead. Now that really gets to me. Molly is a sociable dog she likes to say hello and vestigate her friend that she meets, but when called only once she does come back and will drop and wait until told she can move on. It's sad how some let us owners down?

Julieann

I quite agree... Everybody, be it human, canine or otherwise, has the right to walk without unsolicited approaches from anyone else (be it human, canine or otherwise!).

I personally love meeting friendly dogs and their owners, but because my dogs can be a little intimidating (by their sheer size!), I respect the wishes of owners who prefer not to interact.

Just basic, old-fashioned courtesy and good manners....

After only ten years of behaviouists running training classes we are reaching a point that all dogs have to be muzzled.

Isn't it time people took the trouble to look for professional trainers instead of falling for the proven incompetents.

Hi John and all,

I did say in my first email "unless they were being trained or competed with".

At least this has got people thinking - even some dog owners automatically assume that because a dog is muzzled it is dangerous - this is not so. Often it is for the dog's own protection as we have seen in this thread - rubbish collecting, finger collecting etc.
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I had one bitch who we could not keep any type of muzzle on - I used to take her racing as the local Afghan racing club accepted any breeds and if you ran against anyone else's dog they HAD to be muzzled, no if's or buts. Except for Jet! We would put a muzzle on her and she would put her head on the ground, almost upside down, both paws over the back of her head and off the muzzle came - within seconds <g>. Although she was very fast she was nowhere near as fast as the whippets, so the whippet owners invited her to run with their dogs as they had caught them before she finished <g>

She did qualify under AOB but was pregnant so could not race :-(

Christine

I think the fact that anyone could contemplate, let alone be prepared to do, muzzeling their dog for no other reason than they are to lazy to train their dogs properly is beyond belief. Any trained dog will drop an object on command, so picking up is only lack of training.
When a dog excercises itself, under control, it excercises and NEEDS to excercise all of its drives especialy the prey drive which means with most dogs the scent discriminating and tracking elements, not to speak of panting.
It is totaly inhumane to substitute the efort of taking your dog to an proficiant training class or if neccesary a private trainer and put a miuzzle on it instead.
People unprepared to go to the lengths to train their dog should not have a dog.

Well all I can say is "I ain't muzzling mine"!! He will be on a lead at most times and I have a BIG mouth if any other dog comes near us EVERYONE nearby will know that I wont stand a dog off the lead coming near us. Not the best of inputs I know but it is how I feel. Regards everyone. Gina.

Gina I am sure you were speaking tongue in cheek, and also remeber that you are nervous of big dogs. Starting with training classes, get Barney to like making friends with other dogs thre, including the big ones, otherwise he will become anti social due to fear, and could end up in trouble by being picked on by another dog, or trying to act fierce, and putting another dogs nose out of joint.

when you meet other dog walkers and your dogs sniff and make fiends there is nothing more pleasurable than seeing them playing and enjoying each others company. Keep him on a lead when you firdst meet or see another walker, and ask if they can make firends.

I know of many little an large Canine friendshipos, and it is of benefit to both breeds to know how to be with each other.

A friend brings a feisty Jack to my house, who at first sniped at my girls. she now adores them, as long as they saty low down at her height. the older ones just ignoe her, but the youngest crawls on hr stomach, playing with her!

Hi Gina,

Ouch hope I don't meet you on one of our walks! Nothing personal!! Molly is off her lead and like's to meet other dogs like wise. Though if I do see an owner with their dog on a lead then Molly is called back as that shows either the dog is on sociable, or the owner is still training their dog. though without being rude, do you let your dog meet others on their walks?

And I do totally agree about the Muzzling of dogs who don't need to be is wrong and wicked really. As I have posted before, in certain places and times Molly needs her muzzle on. But when she is out and about on her walks she does not need it and I wont be bullied into her having to wear it on her walks in our country park.

Julieann

If I'm out walking and see another dog approaching mine are instantly put on the lead regardless of whether the other dog is running freely or not. Infact if the other dog is running freely it makes me quite nervous because I don't know whether the owner has full control or not nor do I know that the other dog is friendly. I think it's common curtesy to put your dog on the lead and if when passing the other owner you end up stopping for a chat and find out that their dog is friendly well then fine let them off and they can have a run and play. :-)

The perfect compromise, and also the safest!