i was just looking on findit and came across an add for cavalocker puppies
obviously these people are in it for money,ad says Black/Tan Cavalier King Charles Spaniel x Blue Roan Cocker Spaniel puppies,7-in-1 Vaccination, Six Weeks Free insurance, Wormed,

Frontline Flea Treatment, Eukanuba Puppy Pack, etc.
they are asking £325 each, sorry but this is dam right expensive for a cross breed,what are you views on this??
mandy. :)

I know of pedigree, KC reg, hearing tested, tattooed, insured, wormed pups going for £350.

So yes, they are expensive.

Hi thumper.
Is this breeder by any chance from Wiltshire? There are frequent adds from them, same phone number too. Also had a litter of Red Retriever pups (Irish Setter x Goldie). Poor dogs.
Char123

Only my opinion,but if anyone is prepared to pay this cost for a x breed then maybe they will care and love it and give it the life it deserves.On the other hand if it is puppy farming then it should not be encouraged!
I just hope they don't all end up pts if they don't find buyers.

There seems to be a growing market in these cross breeds with clever names, incidently which is what (in my opinion) is making them popular. I noticed recently that somewhere in Wales (need I say more) does nothing but breed these crossbreeds and is charging more than pure bred breeds are going for.

If people are prepared to pay this money, well.......what can you say....or do. But in my opinion it seems to be a way around the puppy farming tag, get the Kennel Club of their back but still sell puppies for profit and not care how they are kept.

Whilst I am in full agreement about the cynical breeding of crossbreeds I take exception (Melton) to the implication that only puppy farmers operate in Wales. There are many caring and conscientious breeders in Wales and it is not helpful to lump them in with the puppy farmers. There are puppy farmers all over the UK and it's about time this was acknowledged.

Dill - Welsh owner of a beautifully bred and lovingly reared Welsh dog.

Agreed.
Anwen
Welsh breeder (occasionally) of beautifully reared puppies

I dont think Melton implied that only puppy farmers operated in Wales. I automatically assumed that she was refering to the Welsh Assemby giving potential puppy farmers grants - a fact that we all know about. Dill and Anwen are, I think, being a bit touchy. After all, if these cross-breeds are coming from Wales, presumably the grants do not only apply to breeders of pedigree dogs and it will therefore result in more of them being born.

Not being touchy Fillis, the "need I say more" said it all.

Dont wish to be rude to anybody but In our breed it is a sad fact that many of the bad breeders and puppy farmers are in Wales. This is nothing to do with the Welsh and in fact many of them are like me English people who have moved that way.

Our breed is a giant breed and breeders tend to go to Wales or Lincolnshire/Norfolk to get a lot of cheep land and no close neighbours watching over them.

To put it in to perspective proberbly the most respected and well known successfull breeder of champions in our breed also happens to live in Wales.

It just so happens that people are only just cottoning on in England that Wales may be one of the cheepest places to buy a rural property but it also happens to be the most gorgeous. Prices are rising steeply in Wales as you know and soon cheep ex farm properties that appeal to puppy farmers and ' cash breeders ' will be expensive properties owned by those who have come from elsewhere in the U.K

Your Mas aka hubby of Cravemoor

( happens to be a fan of Beautiful Wales and the Welsh people !)

I often wondered if the good breeders in Wales get sick and tired of the stigma with Welsh breeders. Yes we know their are the puppy farmers but their are good breeders out there as well.
I always take note when a Weimaraner is cross bred. Their is someone close to me that bred German sheppherds to Weims for £300-00. Also further a field Weim cross Viszla £450. What a lot of money!
Nutkin

I live in Canada and people here are selling GodliePoos and Labradoodles,Lab Poodle x and Retriever Poodle x the labradoodles start at 1500.00 cnd and some go to 3000.00 cdn and the GoldiePoos go for arround the same,they are the new fad here everyone loves them,they are not a registred breed here but I think they are in Australia not sure.Its just crazy those mix breeds are going for more than the pure breeds with papers.And thier are alot of small breeds like that as well.

Hi
My brother lives in the USA, he owns a lovely COCKAPOO, Cocker spaniel X min Poodle, he is just right for my borhter as he has allergies, and very house proud.
These dogs are non sheeding and odour free, come in a variety of colours.
You can get them X with toy or standard Poodle. I would love to have one, are great with kids too, and very strong little dogs, perfect for my Staffords to play with, but there isnt any breeders in the UK. I wouldnt want to import one as it would be too old buy the time it arrives.
They go for $600+ approx £300+

But surely a lovely Min Poodle would have been just as ideal for him - and could have come with benefit of health tested parents, a verifiable pedigree and a guarantee that it indeed would be likely to be suitable for someone with allergies - unlike the crossbreed, which way go either way in the inheritance stakes, and could have shed a lot of hair, likes its cocker half. 

One (of the many) problems with these  popular crosses, with the cutesy names, is that there are no guarantees how they will grow/develop. They can have any characteristics from either parent, no one can predict which bits they will get.  And the whole litter can be different.  It has taken many, many years for expert breders to arrive at these wonderful breeds, and to breed to maintain the integrity of their breed.  These crosses are bred and marketed, by and large, by the puppy mill trade.  They are going for as much, and often a lot more, than a well bred, well reared pup of either of its parents breeds.

Many crossbreeds in the UK need homes, including a lot of first generation crosses from mis-matings, because accidents do happen.  Reputable breeders usually sell these pups for not a lot of money, acknowledging the fact they were an accident, and perhaps recouping a little of the rearing costs for the litter.

And please, think carefully before offering a small breed to your staffys as a plaything!  The hair on the back of my neck is rising at the thought anyone would buy one of my American cockers for such a purpose.  I also refuse to sell to people who want a pup "for the kids to play with".  You buy that sort of dog at Toys R Us, usually in brightly coloured boxes! 
bye
Gwen

GWEN

I had to re read my post after reading yours!

The pup he got was from a cockapoo over cockapoo mating, they have been popular in the USA for Yrs.
They are very popular breed in the USA!
Infact I was worried when he said that he was getting one, as the X was a Cocker Spaniel! Ive known many of this breed not to be friendly with other dogs, or kids!! I know of them having 'Rage Syndrome' If Ive read right!!!
What kind of person do you think I am?
Why would I get a dog as a play thing for my kids?!! or my dogs?
What I was trying to say was:
They are good with kids and would be good with Staffords due to the fact they are not small snappy dogs!!!! They are small strong dogs!!!!

Hi Cazza,
"Perfect for  my staffs to play with" is a direct quote from your post.

Cockapoos are not a breed, and many, many more generations would need to be bred before a standard breed type could be established.  By crossing the generations back together, becasue of the extreme outcrosses of the first generations, you get even smore type and variation appearing.  The cockapoos in the USA are the result of what in the UK is referred to as American cocker to Poodle matings,  there is not instance of cocker rage syndrome in American cockers.  This is a problem which has been noted in English Cockers.  Confusion arises as the American Cocker is referred to as just the "Cocker" in the USA, whilst the English Cocker is referred to as the "Cocker" in the UK.

Unfortunatly the great majority of cockapoo breeders (worldwide) are doing it for the money - they market a cute name, and sidestep the costly process of health testing, registering etc.  They are simply selling crossbreeds, mongrel, whatever you want to call them.  They arent a breed.  They cannot come close to guaranteeing what the pups will turn out like, and, becasuse in the USA an awfull lot of the puppy mill cockers are much larger than the breed standard, some outlandish looking animals are the results of these matings.  Likewise, mating a Cocker to a St. Poodle can get all the "wrong bits" put together.  Of course, when you buy your cute little wooly ball, you dont know this, you just imagine it will look like your favourite bits from each breed.

Type Cockapoo into the search facility and see waht has already been discussed on this subject.
bye
Gwen

Iam nor saying that its good or bad I really like some of the x breeds.
The problem with them is that thier DNA isnt consistant the 1st gens range so much,in one litter you are lickley to have only a few pups coming out looking,and behaving the way that you expected,they are not consistant in what they are producing,even 5th and 6th gen isnt stable it takes years to develope a breed so that the outcome is always the same or verry close to the same.
My point is that when you buy a cross breed you really dont have any idea of what you are getting even if your brother has an amazing cross breed out of that litter the same two dogs may be bread togher again and they will have puppies that are not the same as the last litter at all ie size,temperment,colour,coat type ext...

hi i don't think that it's a good idea to crossbred. my neighbour had a crossbred it was a boxer/ alsation and it's temperment had very much to be desired , and i don't mind saying i was very much intimiated by it  

I also heard that one of the people who bought the wiem x viz pup lost the pup to parvo after 24 hours!
I cant understand why anyone would think a weim and Viz would make a good cross?
there both lovelly and very demanding breeds but apart from both being HPRs they have nothing else in common. :)

been looking on adtrader,and to my amazment 2 litter's of bordeaux's cross american bull dog's,and a  litter of bordeaux's crossed with bullmastiffs'all asking for 150 each,I  know these dog's are cross breed's but 150.00,i try not to think of the idiot's going to buy these puppy's .

the point is that if these dogs that have been used to produce these x breeds were well bred good examples with good health tests and temperaments surely they would have been bred to good studs and then the pups would have been worth 5-10 times as much!!
Archer

Well said, Archer.
bye
Gwen

Spot on, Archer! The same applies to all of these deliberate crosses.
:)

hiya,
yes i would consider it expensive.
Not only is it a crossbreed (nothing at all wrong with that incidently), but it is a colourbred one. i.e. a solid colour bred to a parti colour which from what i know is not a thing cocker breeders are keen to do.
All that said, soembody will buy one of these dogs as a pet and it will turn out to be an absoloute star! thats something that you can't put a price on.
I suppose it depends on what your looking for and what you intend to do with it.

But some will turn out to my completely Psyco.
I have a pedigree Am Cocker, and he is the best dog I have ever known. Thats taking croiss breds and pedigrees into account. Have very few faults about him.
There are alot of Designer dogs (cross breds) that turn out far from Star dogs. But the 'breeders' dont tell you about those dogs!!!!!!!!!

My friend has an American cocker x English cocker (trans-atlantic cocker :D ) the breeder bred the litter on purpose because she got so many requests for them.  She does show dogs and breeds both americans and english so the pups were bred from health tested parents, I think my friend paid £300 and she still goes back to the breeder for her dog to have his hair cuts, she also had very good back up from the breeder after she took the pup home.  I must say I prefer her dog to either the American or English because he does look like a bit of both (although I understand from this thread that this might not always be the case), he gets so much attention from people when we go out walking, even now he is an adult, everyone wants to meet him :rolleyes:

Claire

Sprockers are becoming quite popular now in the shooting field, I have seen them advertised for £3-400 ....... I have also heard of some Lurchers which have been sold for several thousands (usually Saluki crosses)....

Geoff :)

Hi Clair,
Well I would guess he will look a bit like one of the very early Am. Cockers, right back at where they were only just bred away from the English.  Cant, for the life of me, understand why anyone would want to cross back again, but there you go.  And at lesat it sounds like this breeder is giving ongoing support.  Most pet people have very decided ideas on which type of Cocker they want, either English or American, and having bred both (although I no longer have English) I can honestley say no one EVER asked me about crossing the two.
bye
Gwen

Yes some will turn out to be a bit psychopathic, your quite right.
as do some pedigree dogs.

Hi dobielady, the thread has got a bit muddled, which were you referring to in your bit about the mixed coloured mating?
bye
Gwen

hi Gwen,
I only joined this board last night so I'm probably mucking things up a bit! haha.
I was replying to the very first post.
I worked in a cocker breeding kennel before I had my kids and it was there that i learnt about the colourbred thing.

nice *talking* to you.
Shane

Hi again Shane,
No, its not you, it is a bit harder to follow the way replies appear now, the board got re-vamped a little while ago and the message flow is not quite as easy to follow yet (or at least I havent worked out the logic!)  Yes in most Eng. cocker kennels colour interbreeding is a no-no between solids and partis, a division of opinion in Am. cockers.  It is certainly becoming more usual, although a lot of die hards, especially in the USA, believe on keeping the varieties seperate.  In the UK I dont think we have a big enough gene pool, and certainly some of our most successful matings have come from parti/solid matings.  With the crossbreeds, they often attatch a premium to the price of a "rare" colour (although how you define rare is open to debate!!) and parti/solid interbreed matings can certainly give interesting colour variations/markings.  I know that some of the 'rare'colour cockapoos are advertised for a lot more than a top quality Am. cocker show prospect!
bye
Gwen

I understand what your saying about the small genepool.
I have devon rex cats, and in order to increase the genepool breeders will outcross to other breeds (certain ones allowed by the gccf) now and again.
It's very interesting actually.
I find the whole thing about coat colours fascinating.

bye
Shane

I have nothing against cross breeds, we had one growing up and i still havent come across a dog as good as her. I do think that i lot of people try and temp dog owners into breeding so that they can get a cheap dog and possibly some dog owners would give into that temptation.
Since getting Buffy (10 weeks old black lab) i have had 9 people ask me when i was going to breed her, my answer to each has been i'm not. I then get the go on ill pay you, still answer is no. Then for ease i tryed saying that i would have probs getting a stud and then i was really shocked by their responses, all bar one went on to tell me about entire dogs in the area, so far the offers have been numerous staffs, a dalmation and a rotti.

My answer is still no she is getting spayed ASAP. But i can understand how people would get into bad breeding. Money can be a very temping thing esp if you don't have much. It doesn't make it right but it's a fact :(

Debbie

one thing labrapoodles or wotever thier called but messing about with cavaliers(my breed) ?? grr bit to close to my home is that!!