When i was talking to a friend this morning we were talking about my girl and i showed her the birth certificate and pedigree, now i am very very worried and frightened that i may have false papers.
my 12 week ols german shepherd pup was from a litter of a farmer, the mother and father i saw with the pups, they are gsd's.
However the papers i got with my girl all read, certificate of pedigree, from The Dog Lovers Registration Club
I am a bit thick but i know now that this is not connected with the kennel club and think now ive been had.
if this is true we have blown our chances of showing other than exemption or companion.
Its a real shame as she is a beut.
PLease tell me im wrong?
SAM
UPSET AND ANXIOUS, AND GUTTED

Hi Sam,
  If your dog was KC registered, you would have received an Owner Registration Certificate after the transfer, which at the bottom says 'signed by' (name) 'Secretary of the Kennel Club'.
  So you are right, if your dog isn't KC registered, you can't show - only at companion shows, or you can register to do obedience and agility.  Probably your dog's pedigree isn't actually 'false', but just a shame not KC registered if you wanted to do breed showing.
  Hilda

when i got her, i was given a very fancy slip of paper which says transfer of ownership from: to; me
it does not say anything about the kennel club.
I am slightly mad as i wanted to show her in her breed catagory, but yet i am not that disheartened as i just wanted her for a family pet, i can still do companion and exemption.
i just feel as though i have been ripped of but then this is so classic at being an inexperience dog owner, its all well and good summing up all the pro's and con's in getting a dog but i wish i knew first about the kennel club and pedigree status.
thanks sam

Sam, do a search on this site - top right hand corner - and you'll see what Dog Lovers Club is all about!
Were your girls parents hip scored, by the way?  That's a big problem in GSDs, especially lines that don't hip score.:(

"there are no actual papers and the pups were not kc reg;" you said this on the 21st of this month? So you knew when you bought the pup what the terms were. It is a shame that people are duped this way and i hpe you can get over this and enjoy her as a pet. :)

Sam, if you haven't already then I would get the pup insured, and check the small print that it is for life cover.  Sopme policies mean they will cover for life of the pet, but what I mean is lifetime of the condition.  some companies will insure but will exclude the condition on renewal.  some will cover for the lifetime of the condition, but once the ceiling of £6000 or what have you is reached, then they will no longer pay.  some, but very few will cover ongoing conditions up to a certain amount per year, so this starts again on renewal.  So say that the pet had to have lifetime tablets the cover wouldn't run out, unless it was over the annual amount.

The companies that I know that deifnately cover like this are Pet Plan and Pinacle.  There are probably a few others.

The reason I say this is that it is unlikley that either of your pups parents were Hip Scored, and as this is a common proplem in the breed, the chances are higher of a pup from unscored parents having problems, than one from generations of good scoring ancestors.

HI, i need to clear up something, when i first brought the dog i was given temporary papers,  and her birth certificate untill the new certificates came through for me,
I WAS TOLD BY THE FARMER THAT THE DOGS ARE ALL PEDIGREE BUT THE OFFICIAL PAPERS TAKE A FEW WEEKS TO COME TO ME.
i rung a friend about this and he told me that it does not sound as though they are kc papers at all and i would not be able to show, hence my post on 21st.
After that posting, i got these papers in fact it was this morning when they arrived , i was excited and showed my friend.my friend was worried as she has pedigree toy poodles and didnt think that they were authentic and no mention of kennel club.
I re posted my worries as they look so genuine and real.
But it looks like i have been done again but thanks to you guys im now on the right track with being gullable and ripped off.
she cost me £250 and even though shes no kc papers and i cant show her, shes worth every penny.
sam

Also at the time the farmer did tell me that she wont be kc registered untill i recieve my papers and send them back?
Untill now and after much help and advice from champdog members i did'nt have a clue as to the correct way of doing things or more to the point the right way of handling things such as the papers.

This is getting very confusing!

Only a breeder can register pups with the Kennel Club. The KC sends the registration documents to the breeder, who gives them to the new owner, having signed the Declaration of Transfer. The new owner then fills out their part and sends the form (with the appropriate fee) back to the KC and receives new documents in their name.

But that only applies to dogs registered with the Kennel Club. The DLRC is an entirely separate organisation, nothing to do with the KC at all.

ive seen my friends kennel club papers for her toy poodles.
they are green and at the bottom has a perferated slip for transfer of ownership.
the birth certificate is white and at the top is the kennel clubs seal/stamp.
i have nothing like this and was given nothing of the sort so i believe i have been had.

You have only been 'had' if you were told that your dog was KC registered, and have since found out she isn't.

"I brought her from a farmer though its not a puppy farm, The mother was owned by the farmer and mated with another farmers shepherd.
there are no actual papers and the pups were not kc reg;
All i know is that our pup is a pure gs not crossed back in the generations, the dogs  were working stock not show or kc reg;
I know i cant show her in any show except exemption or companion but im not that bothered."

Please can you explain this then from another of your posts 5 days ago if you didn't know?
:rolleyes:

when i brought my girl i was given at the time temporary papers, supposidly i would recieve full paperwork in a few weeks, when i first posted i told all that i didnt have any paperwork for her which i didnt only copies?i was inexperienced so thought this was the usual way, i read about showing and was told by a friend that unless she actually has kennel club paperwork then shes not classed as pedigree,everything about her i was told by the farmer as i didnt have a clue? may be i should have posted more clearer as at the time on the 21st jan i didnt have any official papers only copies what hed given me, i rung the kennl club and they told me without the correct papers she cannot enter into any show other than what i stated on the post of the 21st, i then joined cd i posted a question authentic enough.
i have re-posted and think me might have been fingered by one of your trolls? i have been warned about them and feel like i am at someone ridicule, didnt think being thick was a crime although id rather stay thick than been made to feel a lier?

I presume i'm the troll :rolleyes: Ok lets try and clear it up, 5 days ago YOU stated clearly that the dogs were not KC reg and it didn't bother you and you KNEW you couldn't show the pup, so what papers did you expect to get??

Think i'm the victim of a WUM  :rolleyes:

GSD Sam
did you not enquire about KC registration when you went to look at the pups ?
Were they advertised as KC registered and if so , do you still have the advert ?

was told about our local farmer from my milkman, he knew the farmer and knew i wanted a gsd, i went down the farm to see the farmer on the 22nd december 03 the pups were 5 weeks old and were all weaned on solids and i saw my ghirl and wanted her, i had no idea of the correct paperwork you would get and neither did my mate when he came with me, he was with me when the farmer told me the proper papers would follow
i did not know anything about kc registration till i was told then i contacted the kennel club

Oh dear!  Thanks for sharing it.  Let's hope that anyone looking to buy a puppy and reading this board will learn from your experience. 

Unfortunately, if you haven't got anything in writing about registration and 'papers to follow' there is nothing you can do about it I'm afraid. Just love and enjoy your girl as a pet.

the papers which were promised to me a few weeks after i brought her.
The papers i was told are to use for breed showing, the paperwork for registering her for breed showing, the certificate of generation pedigree,
this is what i was told would follow after i brought her, all i had when i got her home was a fancy peice of paper stating the breeders name and transfer of ownership to me.
I was pretty sure that without any kc papers i couldnt show her but i was clearly told that all these proper papers would be posted to me in a few weeks.

Have you got anything in writing that says that papers are to follow? What is the wording on your receipt?

As lel said - do you still have the advert that you replied to???

i didnt see the pups advertised in an ad it was my milkman who told me about this farmer, i went down the farm and asked to see the pups, he had 7 all 5 weeks old and all weaned onto solids, i saw both parents and then chose my girl, i brought her the same night by cheque and only had photo copied paper with info on, i was told that he would post me the proper paperwork in a few weeks mainly i guess with christmas and the hols, i was just eager to get pup home and clean her up as she was covered in poop and sawdust grains.
All i can really say is that dont be too anxious to get a pup untill you have thoroughly seeked advice and learned not just about the breed or health or feeding but the inns and outs of papers.
regulations and registration.
I was tto excited about seeing the pups and at the time i was onlly thinking god what a nice xmas present for me to drop on this lucky with a gsd, something i longed for.
sam

He let you take a pup at 5 weeks old? It gets worse and worse.

sorry what have i said now [[[[[im going to burry my head deep]]]]]]
there were 7 pups in a shed with sawdust on the floor, all were weaned on solid food, it was a mushy mixture, the pups were 5 weeks old, big buggers, huge paws, and i chose my girl, he let me take her no questions.
i took her to the vets and she was health checked a ok.

OMG :(  Just love her the way she is!

i will do my best but unfortunately if i still feel like this i probably will be leaving this forum.
I just hope that i can do my best for my girl and who knows in the future we might win best 6 legs.
thanks for all the advice and support
sam

Sam, as you've already mentioned, you have learnt a lot from this board, and all the advice different members have given you. The best way to learn more, is to stick around. It sounds like you love your girl to bits, and that's the most important thing now!

Chin up!!

liberty :)

feel as though i have been made to look a complete prat and feel abit victimised thats all, didnt want bickering just friendships and advice, and no personal messages saying its best i ignore you and you ignore me? didnt join for this sort of treatment especially when i am new and dont know anyone?
thanks anyhow

Sam, you haven't been made to look a prat, you've made the same mistakes previous posters have made, and I'll bet you won't be the last. There is so much information on this board, I've had dogs all my life (almost) and can only contribute to a very small % of the questions posted. I have learned more in the 10 months I've been on Champdogs, than in all my **yrs.
Bear in mind, the written word is easily mis-construed, hence the use of smilies. Give it time, stick with it, and learn as much as you can, you've already
learnt about buying puppies, and  K.C. registering since you joined. So stick around, yes you're new, but you know me, if that's any consolation :D

liberty :)

thanks for the confidence boost, ive had a pm and i think hope? all is sorted out, like i said in my pm if we were dogs we will have sniffed bums by now:}

Sam it will a pity if you leave for two reasons.  You have contributed a great deal.  You've posted
"All i can really say is that dont be too anxious to get a pup untill you have thoroughly seeked advice and learned not just about the breed or health or feeding but the inns and outs of papers."
Anyone thinking about buying a puppy will have learned a lot by reading this thread!!!
Also, accepting that your girl wasn't bred and raised in the best of conditions, if you encounter any problems along the way, you will find a wealth of knowledge and help on this board.  There are folk here with endless patience at all times of the day and night!!  There's also a lot of information already posted here by using the search button.  Stick around girl, we all learn from each other! :D

Nothing at all Sam :(  It is the breeder most of us are shocked at!!!  No decent breeder would let a puppy go to it's new home much before 8 weeks of age.  Most medium to large breeds can go from around 7 weeks,a dn some of the more delicaste small breeds would not go to new homes until even 12 weeks.

When I was a child I was told it was ilegal to sell a puppy or kitten under 6 weeks, so don't know if that was a lwa or bylaw in the 70's

Also you mentioning sawdust and dirty pups sounds like the farmer wasn't exactly reaing them in the way most of us would want with pups that were to be part of the family.

Only good thing to be said is that her environement with you will have been richer, but her canine social skills may be rather lacking.  I am sure yo7u will make up for her less than ideal start.

well i am a softy at heart, she's got her own padded duvet as a bed, loads of sort and chewy toys and errrrr, she sleeps in my room, yes she does get up for a cuddle then she gets down and sleeps on her own bed, when i go out i put her bed and some paper down inh the kitchen with all her toys and chews.
So i guess she's a spilt brat?
But shes my brat.
thanks for all the help