I'm getting very confused over working sheepdogs and border collies. My girl is not kc registered and from what i was told her mother was a border collie (i don't know about whether she was registered) and her father was a working sheepdog. Does that make her a border collie, a working sheepdog or a crossbreed? She is a pet not a farm dog if that makes any difference. I might do agility comps with erh in the future if she gets any good and i would need to register her as a working dog i believe.

Working Sheepdogs are Border Collies that are not K.C. reg.  You can register your Border Collie on the working register but you will have to call her a Working Sheepdog :)
Sally

Have a look at my post on the "Too Much Exercise for my BC??" on the "Behaviour" board. I posted about it near the end of the thread.

Best wishes, John

Hi Lucy

My Border Collie is registered as a working sheepdog.

He's definitely a border collie...from border collie parents, but he's not KC registered....so he's registered as a working sheepdog.

hmm..hope that makes SOME sort of sense to you, because it doesn't to me!

Lisa

When the Kennel Club first recognised the Border Collie, back whenever??, and they became eligible for the show ring you were no longer allowed to register collies as Border Collies on the working register.  I remember being very confused about it at the time because I had just registered a German Shepherd on the working register as a German Shepherd and the reason they gave me for wanting to change my B.C. to a working sheepdog was that they are now a recognised breed so can only be registered on the active register as Border Collies.  I had many a conversation with them about German Shepherds being a recognised breed too but it got me nowhere. 

The problem with telling people that you have a working sheepdog is that they want to know how many sheep you have.  Anyway I officially only have one Border Collie, and she is as far removed from the show type as you could get.  The rest are Working Sheepdogs.
Still confused???

Sally

Er Sorry yes you can still register BC's on the Activities register like all the other recognized breeds but you cannot show them in breed classes

What do you mean by the Activities register?  The breed register is what I meant by the active register and the working register will still insist your dog is a working sheepdog if you say it is a Border Collie but parents are unknown/unregistered.
Sally

It was the Obedience/Working trials register

Which means BC with no papers can do obedience, flyball,agility etc etc but not conformation/breed showing

All the dogs that were on the old O/WT register from ISDS parents & were registered with thev ISDS or were from parents that were were moved to the old Active breed register.

There hasn't been an Active register for years

At one time there was active-breed showing, breed register not shown but used for breeding & non active-not shown or bred frrom

It was really complex & thank god didn't last long it was in the middle to last 70's

Now look what you have done made me feel really old :D

Well then I must be really old too because the last time I had a registered pedigree dog it was on the Active register.  :) Since then all my dogs have been on the obedience/working trials register including my Afghan.  But am I not right that you can only register collies as WSD's on the working register?  I know that years ago if I put Border Collie under breed it would come back as Working Sheepdog so I just automatically put WSD now.  If you can register them as B.C.'s now then I'll register the two youngsters as such.
Incidentally, my Afghan was the result of an accidental mating and the dam was over 7 so the pups were not registered.  When I applied to put her on the working register I was told that she would have to go on as a crossbreed - parents unknown.  A long and drawn out argument ensued in which I insisted that I would not sign anything saying that she was a crossbreed and her parents and date of birth were unknown because that would be fraud.  I won in the end.
Sally

Surely you can register your dog on the Obedience/WT register as anything you like?  After all one of the reasons you are registering it is because you do not have any papers and so if you got for example a Rough Collie without papers from rescue and you wanted to compete in agility/WT/obedience etc you could still register it as a RC on this register?  What would be the difference with a BC/WSD?

You tell me???  Honestly I wasn't allowed to register my collies as Border Collies.  And they really didn't want my Afghan on the working register as an Afghan because the litter she came from was not eligible for registration because of the dam's age.  Perhaps I'll send off the registration for my 2 young collies and try registering them as B.C.'s and see what happens.
Sally

I registered my GSD rescue(she was 12 weeks old & looked like a b awful GSD puppy)as a GSD when she finished growing it was obvious she was a first cross but as it was only for obedience it didn't matter

They do register any recognised breed on the activities register I've seen poodles labrador retreivers, newfoundlands you name it. It is NOT supposed to be used to get KC registrations for puppies that are from over aged mothers to get round the normal rules. If you try to rgister puppies from an activity registered dam that is over aged they will not accept them

There is a suggestion that all WSD with pedigrees(eg  from ISDS parents but puppies not registered wiith the ISDS)will be accepted as BC's. I can't accept this as there may be a good reason why the ISDS wouldn't register the puppies like one or both parents not eye tested or eye test failed or have produced eye test failures(one really nice ISDS dog has produced a lot of failures so his puppies cannot be registered with the ISDS)

>>>They do register any recognised breed on the activities register I've seen poodles labrador retreivers, newfoundlands you name it. It is NOT supposed to be used to get KC registrations for puppies that are from over aged mothers to get round the normal rules. If you try to rgister puppies from an activity registered dam that is over aged they will not accept them

No, you misunderstand.  I registered my Afghan when she was an adult so that she could do agility, not to get round the rules when she was a pup.  I just didn't want her to be registered as a crossbreed.  And besides you have to sign a declaration that the information is correct so I couldn't lie about her breeding.
Sally

Working sheepdog!
or a ws pronoun ced"wuss"
all mine are "offically" wusses!

My two are wussies as well :D Gillian

Well that ssettles it, megan is definately a wuss!!! ;-)

it does wind me up abit that you could have a obvious GSD, LAB, whatever with no known parentage & register as a GSD/lab whatever on the OB register. obvisley you couldnt do breed with them,so it makes no sense to call the collies a differnt name. i know the agility people are trying to do something about it as the ws cant compete overseas as it isnt a "breed" anywhere else.
in the meantime all "wusses" 2gether!!!!