Silly Question but if you havent read I resuced a shih tzu puppy off a neighbour the other week.  After getting her pedegree off the lady I noticed the sire and dams name is just there pet name.  I telephoned the breeder/puppy farm where she bought her from and I got a really irrate women shouting the puppys wernt sold as registered puppys and she wouldnt give out the names of the parents as she said I would go ahead and register her at the KC and only bread to give people puppys and not for them to show!... Is this poosible to do.  I have been in contact with the breed club who recognised most of the names on the pedegree and said they where good show dogs.  If I cant register her with the KC is it possible to register her with the DLRC which the lady from the breed club mentioned?  Sorry if this is a stupid question but any help would be appreciated

Can I ask why you want to register her?  Sounds like a strange question, but if you are not going to breed her or show her, you don't need to worry.

You could always register her with the KC working register, all dogs including X-breds can be registered on here.

manda
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The reason I ask is I traced the advert which the pup was origanly bought from which said there where 4 pups with excellent pedegrees. However speaking to the women who I rescued the dog off said that when she went she had a choice of 15 shih tzu puppies.  On the pedegree There are excellent lines until the parents, which are just pet names.  I wanted to know if it is possible to check the orthenticity (sorry about spelling) of this pedegree as if this women is producing this many puppys just before xmas it is highly unlikey to be doing it to keep the high quality lines in her pedegree. Also if she is saying the parents are registered but wont give out there kc names what is she hiding.  I am just rather worried this women is a puppy farmer and is using a fake pedegree to sell her pups.  If so I would like to end her carrer!

Plus the breed club stated I could register as a pet at the Dog Lovers Registration Club but I cant do that either without the parents registered names

Oh blimey, definately sounds like a puppy farmer.  I would guess the pedigree is false, one way of checking (or trying to catch her out) is to contact a well known friendly breeder, send them a copy of the pedigree and get them to check it.  Some puppy farmers will just take names of well known dogs in that breed and make the pedigree up, in which case there is likely to be boys listed and girls and vice versa, also the lines may be wrong (unless she has really done her homework well).

Good for you to want to close her down, might be worth contacting the local council for her area and ask if she has a breeders licence, if she hasn't she probably should have one and if she has, they will be checking the premises regularly and you could complain about her.

You could try putting some of the dogs on your pedigree in to search on the net and see what comes up, you never know.

Good luck

manda
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Hi Manda

thanks for your thoughts.  I have already check the names on the net and they seem to  come up in alot of shows.  I asked the breed club and she seemed to think that the pedegree was true back till the grandparents however I can confirm whether or not the parents of this pup belong to this pedegree.  Just thinking while I am writing is there any way the kennel club could give me the name of the pups which where registered to the mating of the grandparents and try to trace the name of the pups parents that way?

I have also emailed the trading standards section to see if they can help with her advertising the pups as pedegree but being able to give out the pedegree names of the parents to check. Might be going off on one but dont agree with puppy farming or irrisposible breeding so I will do whatever it takes

There's no real reason for you to register them with any body really.  Just enjoy your puppy for what it is. 

Pedigree, I think just means that it's not a mixed breed it's nothing to do with having KC papers etc unfortunately.  If she didn't say that they were KC registered then they won't be interestedin doing anything really.

Im not particulary interested in registering my pup. I just want to get behind the reason why this women is hiding the names of her dogs, surely she has something to hide?  Would any breeders out there have this attidude in  hiding the parents names of their dogs.  Another user who privated me on another site has a dog from the same breeder and has the same problem and has been told that the bitch was mated with her own father and thats why she is not giving the names out.  Surely this is not right and could cause health problems later! and Something is a miss having at least 15 pups from various dogs just before xmas!  I just thought it would be nice to register her at the DLRC as adviced by the breed club just for myself and not for any other reason.

Whatever this woman is hiding....who knows, she obviously has a problem having her litter KC registered; but registering your pup with the DLRC, is not the same as the KC, all you will gain is a worthless piece of paper. Enjoy your dogs as a pet and a friend :)

liberty

Hi Liberty

I would still like to find out her parents name just out of piece of mind.  If it is the case her mum was bred with her father surely this could result in health problems.  No matter what I intend finding out if this women has a licence and therfore if she is a puppy farm.

DLRC is the sort of registration that is used by Puppy Farmers and means nothing except someone has bothered to list or make up and list a string of names and pay the fee to have them registered. There is no way you could follow the pedigree back with the DLRC because you will find, just as you have, that they will accept names like 'Lovely Lady' and 'Likely Lad'. But good luck in your efforts to cause this "breeder" problems, sounds as if you have her rattled already.

Hi Jacki

Thanks I wasnt aware of that I just got an email saying with her not being KC Reg I could register her with the DLRC however I had never heard of it.  As for the breeder I am on her case good and proper.  I have now contacted trading standards (who were very interested in this women) and the local councils person who deals with dog licencing who also found out she doesnt have a licence so will be getting a visit very shortly.

Go for it girl. Oh sorry perhaps you are not a girl, go for it anyway.

Are you anywhere near Yorkshire only I've just heard about someone who bought a shih tzu x lhasa apso pup from someone who breeds both breeds and crosses them as well.  This pup is going to have surgery on it's nasal passages because it can't breathe properly.  The 'breeder' wouldn't give any money back to help towards the op but was prepared to change the pup for another.  Apparently the bitch has a pedigree litter which she registers and then a crossbreed one alternatively on successive seasons.

Sally

Hi Sally  The pup was orignally bought from Sunderland the women had cages and cages of shih tzus my neighbour said they were mostly bitches however she only had two dogs.  I asked her if they were all shih tzus the other day and she said she thought so.  It is annoying me how she can hide something so simple.  Actually taking pup to vets tommorw as she is keep sneezing and seems to have slight breathing problems

Oh blow Eddie I hope she is okay. Please let us know.

Molly does sort of sneeze and snuffle sometimes and so does Barney but they are healthy it is just something they both seem to do on and off.

Hi gina been to vets this morning.  He wants to wait till she is a bit older to see if an operation could help her.  He said she is having breathing and is caused by her face being so squashed ( he said it is more like a pekinese than a shih tzu face)  he was rather worried to say the least.  He even tried contacting the breeder to find out if he could get any herediatary information from the parents but she told him to get stuffed!! How can someone be so irrisposible.  So for now we just have to wait and see how she develops.  If she had at least 15 pups for sale who is to say all of them havent got the same,  This is very worrying.  I felt as though everyone was having a go at me trying to find out the parents names from this breeder however this is one of the reasons it would be nice to know so I can check lines for this type of problem and others which may occur.

Hi Eddy, my heart goes out to you and your girl, ireally hopes all works out for. I am going through very similar (please see post under att bullmastiff owners), but my vet diagnosed my pups breathing disorder as Brachycephalic Syndrome. This is something my breed do not usully suffer from but seems to of been caused, heridtory. I hope all turns out well for your babe though and if anyone else is yet to see please check out http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/ and put your comments as hopefully the more they get the more something may be done, Emma.

Hi gina been to vets this morning.  He wants to wait till she is a bit older to see if an operation could help her.  He said she is having breathing and is caused by her face being so squashed ( he said it is more like a pekinese than a shih tzu face)  he was rather worried to say the least.  He even tried contacting the breeder to find out if he could get any herediatary information from the parents but she told him to get stuffed!! How can someone be so irrisposible.  So for now we just have to wait and see how she develops.  If she had at least 15 pups for sale who is to say all of them havent got the same,  This is very worrying.  I felt as though everyone was having a go at me trying to find out the parents names from this breeder however this is one of the reasons it would be nice to know so I can check lines for this type of problem and others which may occur.  Thanks Gina hows your dog doing now gona get some pics to send you. 

Hi Eddie - poor Sophie.

Have PM'd you about insurance.

What I can say is that Molly had an op just after her first birthday and she is absolutely 100% cured and has no problems AT ALL in this her second year (she is 2 on the 22nd Jan). She was choking on New Years Eve 2001? and frightened the life out of us but the medication she was put on was brilliant until she had her op. I hope this helps a little and it could be that she will be allright and wont need an op. I thought I had bought Molly the right way but it ended up we were lied to - not such an idiot now though I hope for any future dogs we may have.

Gina

PS Edited to say that no probs with breathing etc just the blooming hot spots!