Can anyone tell me what there experience's are with feeding burns, i.e coat, toilet, and overall condition.
I have two GSD one 6yr that i have just changed to vegeterian food, but want to keep pup on meaty product she is 8 months now but i have heard that there is reduced poo's with burns as the food is digested better.

Cordelia

My dogs are now on Burns and I have never in a good number of years and having tried a good number of food been so satisfied with the condition of my dogs. So yes I would recommend it.

Do they pooh less

As against what?

yes they do poo less than before they were on it.

I'm a Burns fan too!  Ours have only been on it about 8 months and its definitely the best complete food we've used; we're delighted with their condition and I would say that there is less poo than there was with other complete foods.  The boys love it too; one used to be a bit pernickity about his food but he's never turned his nose up at a serving of Burns yet :)

Lesley

From your reply's i guess it is good (D so i will definitly put my 8 month GSD on it. She is on Wafcol at the moment but is getting bored with it, she lays on the floor to eat and then picks at it.

Thanks

Cordelia

Cordelia,

Why would you put your dog on a vegetarian diet?  They are carnivores, with omnivore tendencies :-).   Meat should be the primary ingredient in any dog's diet.

Stacey

I have a two year old GSD who we had numerous food problems with.  Since putting him on Burns we have had no problems (touch wood) and he looks fantastic!  I wouldn't use anything else now to be honest.

Also, the Burns service is great and they deliver free to the door in 2 days.

Jayne

Stacey i have put my dog onto vegetarian due to an allergy from meat protein, I do not like to see my dog in pain the way that she has been for the past 6 yrs we have gone through so many differnt food types to beat the problem of either fur falling out bleeding legs and serve itching and chewing of that leg or area that it has gone to, if we don't get that then she has very bad runs from the smallest morsel of meat. I am sure that if you had a dog like that then you too would do your upmost to find the right food to stop the problems from reacurring.
So we are now trying the vegetarian diet to see if this helps as it has no meat or fish protein in it. GSD's are well none for there poor digestive systems so you have to be very careful, mine can not have any tinned meat, right from when she was a pup we had problems and now she can have no meat content in dry food, so please do not be negative with me this is my dog and i no what i am doing.
My 8month GSD can be feed anything from dog food to our food and i think she is alright because the breeder feed the pups on tripe.

Have you had your dog actually tested for allergies or is this guesswork?

no this is not guess work this is from what the vets have told us after many years of biopsy test and skin scrappings and different sorts of tablets .

hi i'm totally with you on this one!!!my old collie cross had the same probs and was put on a veggy diet by the vet, and he lived to be 13.just to be nosey what veggy dogfood are you using?

Hi Cordelia,

Of course I would do anything if I had a dog with the type of problem you describe.   I had a GSD with digestion problems as well.  She would become sensitive to any food after she was on it for a while and develop bad diarrhea.  I eventually found out that if I switched brands she would settle back down again.  Fortunately, mysteriously by at about the age of seven she seemed to have mostly grown out of it.

I hope you have success with the vegetarian diet. 

Have you considered trying the BARF diet?

Stacey

Hi, I am a new puppy owner - 9 weeks now, so not very experienced, but can tell you about my success with Burns.  When I collected my puppy he was on JWB, he was doing well on it but I noticed he was always biting his legs, his poos were always pretty soft, he has terrible wind :( and he was never very hungry but he was putting on weight.  Just over two weeks ago I changed him over to Burns and the difference is amazing, his poos are firm, no more biting of his legs, no more smelly wind :) his coat looks shinier and he can't wait for dinner times!  Why don't you email Burns and they will send you free sample and leaflets - that's what I did.

Jax

i emailed them this morning to ask fro samples for my puppy and what would there advice be on feeding my adult. So hopefully they will get back to me soon (:

Cordelia

I find it interesting that on the JWB  web site they have a lot of info about what their products DONT contain but nothing under what it DOES contain under Ingredients and Analysis :o

i Had my adult on JWB a couple of years ago before i put her onto eukaneba she lost 2 kg in a month so we took her off of it.
Burns have got in contact me and recommend i try the fish and brown rice with her and the pup can also go on the sdult food so now i only need one bin for the food (D instead of two.
Will also be good not to have to pick up lots of pooh lol
The only thing i notice with my pup and her food (wafcol) is the burping she is terrible so hope fully that will change aswell.

milloos,
She is on Yarrah, not very keen on it unless i give it to her one at a time but we are only on days 3 and she is a very fussey eater.

What is yours on

Cordelia

Cordelia,
Have you tried the barf diet or home cooked food?Some dogs have severe allergies to cooked meat but none with raw.
Allergies seem to have reached epidemic status,i honestly think it is due to the upsurge of commercial food which is obviously second best to fresh whole foods!You never said if you have tried these options yet??
Nobody is having a go at you about switching your dog to a vegetarian diet it's just that it is not a common food to feed a carnivore/omnivore,so people aren't very educated about this subject,what are you going to use as a protein substitute for the meat?I am very sceptical of vets who are NOT nutritionalists advising on what to feed dogs,they usually force their foods onto their clients such as iams,crapenueaba etc. it does not surprise me that most dogs do not do well on these foods.
You have obviously consulted with an animal nutritionalist??If so what did he reccomend? If you havn't already tried raw or lightly cooked homemade food i would give that a try as i have seen dogs make miraculous recoveries from all sorts of ailments when taken off of commercial foods!

Good luck with your baby,i hope he is comfortable very soon.

Christine

Why are commercial foods 'obviously second best', my dogs like hundreds of thousands of others have done very well on them.  As to blaming the increase in allergies on them, there are lots of different possibilities for this, the increase in chemicals in our environment for instance and the very interesting issue raised in the Body Snatchers program last week on the link between the irradication of gut worms with allergies and ulcerative colitis.

Hi Isabel, what ever way you look want to look at it, complete foods for any animals is the fact they are all processed foods.
No living being can ever thrive & have optimum health on such foods, thats a fact.
Maybe not now, or the immediate future, but as sure as day follows night there will be problems. A living being needs nourishment thru wholesome food, thats life & thats how bodies work.
You are right in what you say about chemicals in the enviroment, but before that you have to think of what damage is being done to animals on an every day level at home! Unecessary flea/worming treatments combined with so many houshold chemicals. Add them all together & they`re living with so many poisons their immune systems are overwhelmed. When thats added to being fed processed food for a lifetime then that is a recipe for sub standard health.

Christine, Spain.

So taking my terrier, who is less than 2 months off 15 years old, when might I expect the bad effects to show and when might my 9 year old cocker's sub standard health stop her behaving like a puppy :D
I'm sorry Christine, I have no problem with people choosing to feed a raw diet, I'm sure with care over the balance it is a very good diet but I see no evidence that a quality complete food does not achieve the same, the only thing its lacking is the the obvious satisfaction you get from preparing the food yourself :)

You can expect it to happen when its least expected Isabel :D
No living being can continue with optimum health being fed processed food. That is a fact, believe it or not.
Like you I too have no problem with people feeding convenience foods, so long as they understand it`s a scientific impossiblity to feed convenience foods as a balanced diet over a lifetime & provide a living body of any kind with optimum health. If it was that easy we`d all be feeding that way :D

Christine, Spain.

I agree with you about human convenience foods, they are packed full of fats and salt to appeal to the shopper but dogs don't get to buy their own food, thank goodness :) consequently that are a much better balance.  I'm afraid I just don't share your doom and gloom about the long term effects for them, the evidence just isn't there, as far as I can see from my own experience and by virtue of the fact that, despite the majority of dogs being fed complete foods, their life expectancy has increased and whilst I accept there will be other factors involved in that, such as better veterinary care, we can certainly say that complete foods have not prevented that improvement.  Have to just differ on this I'm afraid :)

And if thats the best they can do for human foodstuff what on earth makes you think the manufacturers of animal foods will equal it??? At best they will equal human convenience foods & at worse.....who knows!
How can a balance be achieved thru a convenience food??? What balance is in any of it??

*I'm afraid I just don't share your doom and gloom about the long term effects for them, *
I am really happy your dogs don`t Isabel, it`s not very pleasant :)

Whatever you say, the fact is that all convenience foods/complete foodstuff, fed over a lifetime=sooner or later, ill health eventually for all living beings despite medical improvements.

Christine, Spain.

Oh dear, it wasn`t me who said what Isabel said I said! It was Ozzie Christine, seeing tho I`ve no idea where anything I said last night/early this morning has gone I`m bowing out of this debate & apologise to Isabel & Ozzie Christine for butting in :D

Christine, Spain.

I didn't say you did say it, you just though I said you said it

I know that now Isabel :D but it was only after I`d posted a few replies that I realised it was me who thought you said it, goes to show what though can do eh??? :D :D
Only thing I can say was boy I got so confused on here last night, not that thats anything new mind you :D

Christine, Spain.

Hi Jax

Do you have a homepage for Burns. I live in Denmark, I don't think I can buy it here, but I'm pretty curios anyway. When I write Burns in Google, I get a lot of people named Burns, but no dogfood brand.

Can you help?

Jeanette

Ozzie, The barf food is an option for Inca (8 month GSD) as she eats anything you put infront of her from raw chicken wings, bones (loves venison bones) all fruit and veg and pasta (bless the little ganit) but the Ice (6 YR GSD) would not touch veg with a barge pole we have tried on numerous occasions to give her veg with her dinner (raw and cooked) but she just walks away and will rather starve, but raw meat acts the same as cooked it comes out the other end like water as well as the nasty scabbing and hair loss and itching on her back or legs.
Beleive me we have been there and tried everything possible. I do not add any extra protein to her food as this is what made the problem is as well as dairy products. I think that because we have tried nearly every commercial food (not burns yet) we have turned her into a very fussey dog, that will turn away from most food, except meat but thats what i can't give her.
I have got in contact with burns and as there food is only 18.5% and am willing to try that and see how we go they are both going to go on brown rice and fish as they also said that like to introduce pups from 6 months to adult food. They also said the a lot of the allergy is due to build up of toxic waste. Burns works in a holistic way to manage allergies by minimising the amount of waste matter the body has to deal with and excrete making the dog less sensitive.
IMHO anything is worth a try and i will try it (-:

Jax the web site is www.burns-pet-nutrition.co.uk but for some reason it does not work, not sure why.

Their home page is here Don't know if they have an outlet in Denmark but you can e-mail and ask them.

how did you get it to work lol it won's work on mine but your link works.

Cordelia

Try this link, it seems to be working.

http://www.bpn4u.com/

Christine, Spain.

Hi Christine

Thanks, I've just visited the page and send an email so I can find out, if they sell it in Denmark.

I've heard nothing but positive things about it.

Jeanette

:) Just put my pup onto Burns this week as she was having a few problems on the Beta. She had no problems switching foods and her apetite is much better - she now actively munches her meals instead of picking at them :)

I am boiling up some frozen veg (easier to digest) and a little mince  and adding this broth to it and her problems seem to be clearing up already!

I also read the ingredients etc then tasted it :P I'd prefer a little more salt but it tasted like chicken and brown rice :) ;)

lol just pop some sweet and sour sauce over it, then that will give yo a nice chinese meal lol.
How ol is your pup?
I have my samples on the way, but i prolly will change them both over to it.

Cordelia

She was 8 weeks last friday and is now a huge hooligan dane :D

When Hubby came in from work on friday he thought I'd roast a chicken but it was only the Burns and broth he could smell, lol!  Dogs eat better than we do ;)

lol dish it him up on dish you could pass it off as stew lol.

Cordelia

Know what you mean about smell, one of the reasons I changed from Fish & Rice to Venison & Rice was that I could to stand the kitchen always smelling of fish.

hi

i have switched to burns i don't know if its just a coincidence but since doing so my 9 month old puppy seems very hypo, has anyone else experienced this with burns or is she just going through her mad max stage?

As protein is lower in Burns than other complete foods and it contains no colouring, don't think it is likely to be causing hyper behaviour. I would think she is just feel better than she has ever done before. Or she could be due a season.

my two have been on burns for two days pup is 8 months and she has not changed from her normal mad self lol.
Although she did go hypo this morning when the pacel man bought me a fresh pheasent from Orkney, she still wondering the kitchen trying to get in the fridge for it :-D