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By Carla
Date 07.12.03 20:35 UTC
Can a company cut a months salary for its entire staff by 25% - with or without notice? If they do it, I gather it will be done at the end of this month. Luckily - its not me (thankfully I'm self employed).
By lel
Date 07.12.03 20:38 UTC

I would imagine there would need to be consultation of some sort otherwise it would amount to breach of contract on the employers part ?
Is there any Union there ?
By Jackie H
Date 07.12.03 20:38 UTC
Suppose it must depend on their contracts with their employees. They would have to abide by the contracts unless they really want to be taken to the cleaners.

Don't talk to me about companies cutting salaries. They can do what they like, and there's b****r-all anyone (even the Union) can do about it.
*Mutters darkly*
By lel
Date 07.12.03 20:51 UTC

Chloe what are their reasons for the paycut ???
By Carla
Date 07.12.03 21:49 UTC
cashflow crises apparently. Its my OH's company. Apparently they are all set to do it with no warning, just in Dec's paypacket. He knows because he's senior management, but no-one else does....
By Dill
Date 07.12.03 22:27 UTC
This happened to my OH 5 years ago, they were just informed it would happen and it did, no union protest, no consultation, no interest in how the employees would cope. And IMHO its more likely to happen to lower paid workers.
By luvly
Date 07.12.03 23:41 UTC
can cut it right down to min wage if wages arent stated in a signed contract.without notice
By lel
Date 07.12.03 23:47 UTC

Verbal contracts have as much legality as written in the eyes of the law.
By luvly
Date 07.12.03 23:52 UTC
yes thats true but in a court of law its word against word . although courts more then often come down hard on business's as they think they have money to burn dispit wat the argument. any lawer or soli will tell you that it.
By LF
Date 08.12.03 07:12 UTC
Hi Chloe
Have a look
Here This explains all about contracts and has a bit about deductions from wages.
Hope it helps.
Lesley

Thanks for that link Leslie. My company has serious cashflow problems at the moment and I think there could be a problem paying the wages over the next couple of months.
Very useful indeed. (At work at the moment, better not save it to my favourites here!)
Sandra
They can cut wages AND they can use money from the pension fund so that when you are made redundant there is little if anything left to pay the pensions of people who have been working and paying in to it for many years - IMO this is stealing (are the directors etc of Lo**ley and Co reading this??) even if the law disagrees - strange how directors always seem to get theirs though
Christine
Edited to remove full name of company before Admin do it

They can also state on a wage-slip that the Pension contribution has been paid, but not actually pay it to the pension company... :(
By EMMA DANBURY
Date 08.12.03 11:01 UTC
Contract whats a contract Ive been here nearly 2 years and don't have one
By tohme
Date 08.12.03 12:17 UTC
Everyone is entitled to and should have a job description and a copy of their terms and conditions of employment etc. You can insist on it!
By Carla
Date 08.12.03 13:48 UTC
I think that by law you should have a contract issued within your first 2 months of employment!
By EMMA DANBURY
Date 08.12.03 14:16 UTC
there are approx 30 people here non have got contracts. Recently a technician come into the office around 2pm and said Im going home now and I won't be coming back. No contract no working your notice.
By lel
Date 08.12.03 19:43 UTC

A contract does not need to be written to be legal .
If the employer states the terms and conditions ( ie hourly pay rate , holidays, working hours etc) at the interview stage and then they later offer you the job based on those terms and you accept - that is enough for a verbal contract .
Although I would always prefer to have something in writing ;)
lel
By EMMA DANBURY
Date 09.12.03 14:26 UTC
What about working hours at present my partner works an average of 68 hrs a week. he gets one day off a week. With xmas on its way he will be working an average of 17 hours a day, shorly there is a law against this?
By tohme
Date 09.12.03 14:29 UTC
The Working Time Directive and the horizontal directive :D
No it is not anything THAT interesting.
As a broad brush people are not supposed to work more than an AVERAGE of 48 hours per week, except for some areas which have been excluded.
So it would depend what sector he worked in.
http://www.incomesdata.com/information/worktimedirective.htm
the above link should give you plenty of info
By EMMA DANBURY
Date 09.12.03 15:10 UTC
You are an angel
By tohme
Date 09.12.03 15:15 UTC
blush :o
By Julia
Date 09.12.03 12:44 UTC
I've been here 10 and they can't produce it!! I have asked, (for reasons of my own)
By lel
Date 09.12.03 16:57 UTC

Some employers can get the employee to opt out of the 48 hour ruling (doctors etc) although alot of temporary workers are coerced into this.
You can refuse to sign but the employer can then "sack" you if you arent willing to work those hours :rolleyes: catch 22 situation
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