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By Guest
Date 02.12.03 20:32 UTC
I was given this website by a lady who runs a training class for dogs. I purchased a 'Basset Hound', who I named Brody, in May from a pet shop (a little niave, I now realise - it is the first dog I have owned). I took him to a kennel, which incidently is ran by a lady who also breeds Basset Hounds. She took one look at him and said that he was not a Basset Hound, but in actual fact a Basset Artesian Normand.
I contacted the Dog Lovers Registration Club, as it had taken months to recieve the pedigree from them in the first place. They explained that it had taken much effort to obtain the correct details of the parents from the pet shop, who were not being very polite in the process. They have still not been paid for their services by this shop.
My question, after much waffling, is can anybody give me any information as to how to go about verifying the Breeder and Parent details I have on record. They are as follows:
Breeder: Mrs J Beaumont - Carnteel Lodge Kennels, Aughnacloy, Co Tyrone
Sire: Ron's Pet DLRC Reg No. 49859
Dam: Ebony DLRC Reg No. 49860
Thank you for any help in this matter.
Mrs S Henderson - Tyne and Wear
sam.henderson@ukonline.co.uk
By Anwen
Date 02.12.03 20:53 UTC

Sorry to tell you that your pedigree from Dog Lovers Registration Club means absolutely nothing! To put it bluntly, it is not worth the paper it's written on.
Since you apparently have the address of the breeder you could try to get in contact with her, although the type of breeder who will sell puppies to a pet shop, is very unlikely to have any further interest in her puppies. I do find it strange that such an unusual breed (not recognised by the Kennel Club) should end up being sold in a pet shop.
Sorry to be so negative, but don't let it spoil your enjoyment of Brody - he's still the same dog whatever he is!!

To be honest, I would be very surprised to find such a rare (in the UK) breed on sale in a pet shop! I would suspect that what you have is indeed a Basset, but not 'out of the top drawer'! Compare the
KC Basset to the
Artesian Normand.
Unfortunately, DLRC registration is meaningless, so the best thing is to just enjoy your dog for what he is!
By Jackie H
Date 02.12.03 22:14 UTC
As the others have said he is your dog and you love him what he is does not matter. Would not think you will get any joy from the DLC papers or from a breeder who would sell a puppy on to be sold by a pet shop, most caring breeders would want to have contact with the people who own their pups and to help if you have any problems.

Must admit having seen the Artesian Normand at the world show in Holland I think them much nicer than the Basset :D
They look like a Basset with a face lift and tummy7 tuck, and the legs are straight. Look a much more workmanlike dog.

I like the look of them better too:-D
Anne
By Poodlebabe
Date 03.12.03 08:06 UTC
I suppose if he really doesn't look like the Basset Hound type you are after you could try reporting the pet shop to your local Trading Standards! It could be that the breeder of your hound has working type basets which are considerably longer legged than the show type. However, your post goes to show what nonsense the DLR is in that not only can breeders register dogs but so can the people who buy the puppies for further sale. With so many 'options' open to people for registration then basically anything can be put down!
Jesse
By Wishfairy
Date 03.12.03 08:27 UTC
Just looked at those 2 pics and if you mixed a kc Basset with a JRT or similar it might end up with the face lift look of the Artesian ;)
At the end of the day it loves you so do you really care what it is?
I would be tempted to bring in trading standards though - even if just a way to cause trouble for the breeder and pet shop

I would agree. It is the fact that these kind of breeders and in their turn traders know that the family will love their dog even if it is not what they thought they were buying that allows them to get away with it.
Love your nice dog, but get the dishonest people who have sold you something other than what is stated. Go to Trading Standards with the Paperwork and a phot and Breed standard for the Bassset, and you should be able to show that you have been done.
By gwen
Date 03.12.03 15:50 UTC

As you are in the North East it might be a good idea to contact the Hadrian Bassett Hound Club - they may well be aware of your dogs breeder, and of other problems from the pet shop, if it was in this area (Strangely, didnt know we had any pet shop in Tyen & Wear selling pedigree pups - did you buy him locally?) They would also be able to give you an expert statement on the ways your Hound differs from the standard, which could be useful in presenting your case to the Trading Standards. I agree with the posters who have said it is unlikely your dog is actually this rare breed, coming from a pet shop. His parents names, I am afraid, simply suggest puppy farm bred. About 10 years ago a friend of mine bred his first litter of Bassetts, using a local well bred dog as sire. The bitch stayed with the dogs owenr for several days for the mating. She had a lovely litter of 9 or 10 pups, in a whole variety of colours including a solid red! In his innocence he believed the dogs owner explanation that Bassetts could be in any Hound colour at all. Tehy were all sold and off to new homes, when the started to reappers 1 at a time, looking distinctly wiry haired, longish legged (especially the back legs!) and sharper faced. Lots of refunds ensued, although everyone loved and kept their babes! Turned out that the dogs owners had a terrier (cant remember, think it might have been a cairn) who had obviously got to the bitch! However, several knowledgeable people had told thenew owners that their pups were definetlly PBGVs or Bassett Fauve de Bretagnes!
bye
Gwen
By Anwen
Date 06.12.03 15:52 UTC

I've just rec'd an email from DLRC headed "erroneous comments as usual ......." and talking about the gossip and Libel on Champ dogs. According to them, there is no difference between them & the Kennel Club apart from the length of time they've been operating!
Well, sorry, but one major difference is that the KC do not condone the sale of puppies from pet shops. Another is that the KC is in a position to prove a whether or not a pedigree is false. The fact that DLRC feels the need to justify their existence to someone as unimportant as me smacks a little of insecurity don't you think?

Have you forwarded that email to Admin Anwen?
Melody
By Anwen
Date 06.12.03 16:49 UTC

I have now! :D
By Jackie H
Date 06.12.03 17:03 UTC
Heard the news today on the car radio, several times, that there is yet another move to stop puppy farming in Ireland and their export here to be sold in pet shops, there is also another move afoot to deal with the outlets that deal with these people.
The spokesman from Ireland was saying the problem ran from half a dozen dogs at the back of the bungalow to ex-farms where there were 100+ bitches kept in barns in the dark and producing 2 to 3 litters a year, with no outside access and no health checks and this is where the pups supplied to the pet shops and pet warehouses come from.
Let us hope that this is soon stopped or at least these people are made to keep their dogs in better conditions, even battery hens have light, but it seems light is too expensive when you are producing puppies to be sold for £400 up. I would do anything I could to stop this trade and destroy the livelihood off all those who live off such a trade.
By Anwen
Date 06.12.03 19:05 UTC

I heard that too Jackie. The more publicity this gets, the better.
By JenP
Date 06.12.03 20:30 UTC
Isn't it strange that the Sire and Dam's Reg. Numbers are consecutive. How would Dog Lovers Registration Club explain this, I wonder? - unless the were from the same litter!!!
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