I wos going to crosbreed my Neopoliton mastiff weth a English mastiff .can enebody help Kath

Why do you want to do this Kath. JH

I was told that it would not macke a difference as thay are both mastiffs. Kath

That would be the same as mating a westie to an Airedale, they are both Terriers, or a Labrador to a Curly coated retriever, both retrievers, or an Old Englich sheepdog to a Rough collie, both sheep dogs.

All of these are unique breeds as are the two you mention.

eneone else got eney thorats. if i shod do it or not. Kath

'IF' I was going to breed I would not deliberately do a cross breed. I personally would only breed if I thought my girl had something good to give to the breed itself. The breeders which I got her from have said they would be happy for me to breed her and I would go to them for advice on which dog to breed to specifically to get the best match possible, but to be honest I doubt if I will. I've heard so many sad stories about people losing their litter, or their bitch and to me I don't think it's worth the risk. I love my 'baby' too much to want to take a risk like that with her. So unless I was convinced there was something amazing to be produced by mating her I think I will leave well enough alone. If I want another good dog like her I know where to go and what to look for.

Wendy

call me daft but why on eath would anyone want to do this? (I can see one reason but hopefully this isn't it)

I would not call you daft Sam at all . most people that deliberately cross those dogs are looking for fighting dogs , or attack dogs for illegal reasons . somehow I dont think Kath fits into this category , as if she did she would not be bothered to ask on the board . I feel she is just ill advised and is asking because she has a doubt about the mating herself.Iam sure once she gives it more thought she wont do it . mari

I well not do it. Thank you all. I well look for a male neo pup to bay. My neo biteh is 3 if i bay a pup naw well she be to old when he is old enough.Kath

Kath I think you might be taking a chance waiting for a pup to mature , so why not look for a stud and then keep a puppy. Have you ever bred a litter before . if not dont forget to come back to the board for help . best wishes Mari

no i have not breed befor. I must say that the dogs in question are friendly loveing and are around children all day . Aeg from 3 to 15 years old and have never shone signs of biting one of them. The english mastiff is my sisters dog. Kath

No i have not breed befor.but I must say that the dogs in question are very friendly loveing and are around children all day from 3 to 15 yaers old and have never shone signs of going for them or biting them. the english mastiff is my sisters dog .but as i shed i well not mate them.Kath

Kath, have a look at http://www.bluegrace.com and click onto virtual breeding, and see if you think it's for you. I'm not sure what genetic hereditary problems your breed needs to be tested for. Maybe someone else on the board could advise you, or maybe talk to your bitch's breeder. If you haven't had a litter before, it does help to have an experienced person at your side, for the sake of your bitch who you obviously care for. After all, would you consider having a baby without a trained midwife beside you? Nature doesn't always make it easy.

Kath, Val has given you a good link and you might find this link on Dog Breeding of interest too :-) Good luck in whatever you decide.

Leigh
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Karin

You just did Karin :-)

wot do you mean Leigh Kath

Its ok Kath, I was answering Karin :-)

I am delighted with your decision Kath well done . I get so pleased when someone makes the right choice. you have made my day. English mastiff's are a brilliant family dog . and neo's are very faithful to their owners but to mix the breed is dangerous. I think you will be happy when you breed that you have decided to stick to your own breed . but will you please make sure you do your homework and learn as much as you can before you do . best wishes Mari

Welcome to the forum Kath :-)

Kath I dont know why you would want to mate them . you said you were told it would not make a difference as they were both mastiffs , well im afraid you are being misled . they are different dogs completly and were originally bred from very different dogs . I believe to mix those two dogs is a recipe for disaster . I believe the offspring of such a mating can result in very vicious dogs. some way related to the spanish dog pressario or similiar . I hope you dont do this mating I really do. It is not good for either of the two breeds . they are scarce enough really , and you would be better to mate them to their own kind . best wishes mari

just read this thread---i hope you've not gone ahead with the breeding, if you wanted a litter can you tell me why you dont use an english mastiff on your bitch??? also i dont think too much of anyones ethics that would allow their neo to be used for cross breeding, what sort of homes are you hoping for, in what capacity will the dogs be used, as its an unknown quantity who knows what the temperaments will be , so will they make good pets???? bit big to find out too late that they didn"t. because of the fragile ground the big breeds find themselves on at the minute with the new dog laws etc, dangerous dog act, dont you think you"re being very irresponsible?? please tell me as i really cant think why you wanted to cross breed and not go for a pedigree litter??

I have meted my neo bitch to a neo dog.

Well, there's nothing like pre-planning and spending months trying to find a suitable dog.....and this was nothing like it :(

I really hope I've read this wrong and you haven't actually mated your bitch. 2 days ago you were looking at crossbreeding, then you were going to buy a puppy and now the deed has been done. If I've got this wrong, I apologise.

Fiona

what health tests do the breed ask for, you say the male has passed all of his, how about the bitch ,has she been tested for all the relevant tests, have you homes waiting for most of them,???

the mind boggles doesnt it?

I found him 5 mouths ago. Iwas only going to go with the english mastiff becos te is my sisters dog. My neo and the sud dog has been tested for eye hart hip elbow eney investors diseases and eney genetic prolems and passed all . I have 9 friends and family on standby that well be good homes for them. Kath

hope it all go's well for you, you need to build a great big whelping box, mountains of dog food,and id start buying a packet of puppy wormer a week, i cant believe the amount ive used on these pups and theres only 4 of them and theyre only average sized dogs, are you still in touch with the breeder of your bitch, she might be able to advise you of all you'd need for such big pups, you're certsainly going to have your hands full if shes taken,is it your first litter or have you bred before, wonder what the average weight of a neo pup is born,-makes your eyes water thinking about it :)

My vet whants to see her in 4 weeks and we will see if she is pregnat and then he will see her when she is 6/7 week and he will scan her to see haw meny ther is and if she can copp withe laber or if she will need help and we will taik about whelping Kath

The best place to get puppy wormer in bulk is one of the Canine chemists, there are two of theat name, one spelt with a K, that advertise in the dog papers. You can get bulk amounts of liquid panacur in 500ml and I litre sizes, you save a lot buying this way. I usually get the 500ml as I use at least two hundred with a litter, and worming the rest of the gang, and I let friends have doses for their dogs at cost. The 1/2 litre works out 2/3 the price that the vets charge, and the litre works out half the price!

well kath now that you have mated your bitch dont forget she will need to have some swabs taken to make sure she has no infections. you will have to buy heat lamps and heat pads , vet beds, and I guess you will have to get a whelping box made for a neo bitch with crush bars as they are so big and heavy they could crush a few puppies .. To my knowledge . they dont whelp easily , and dont always make good mothers, so you have to be prepared to hand feed yourself , that means you will have to have all the equipment for handrearing ready .whether she is a good or bad mother . you must be prepared for the worst, to be fore warned is to be forearmed. . by the way Kath did you get the great dane you were looking for . or was that another Kath just curious best wishes Mari

Mari, I read your post about vaccinating Kath's bitch again. I was always advised to make sure all vacinations are up to date before mating, and not to do after mating, wait until after welping. Just curious as to how you do things over there. Another thing I don't understand is the puppy wormer mentioned(by another member). I always worm my puppies once at 4 weeks and then again at 6 weeks. I give them a very small amount of wormer called Pyrantel-50. What kind of wormer is used there, and given how often?

i belive you're not to vaccinate once mated, hopefully her vac will of been kept up to date as it gives the pup some sort of immunity,
in this country some start worming the pregnant bitch around the middle of her pregnancy , ive not done this but do make sure theyve been wormed and vaccintated just before shes mated, as for the pups i started worming them with a puppy paste [which i find much easier than the liquid] at 3 weeks--5weeks and 7 weeks, then i think its 10 and 12 ,
at the minute just for this month the canine chemists have special offeres on the wormers, 0--buy 2 and get a 3rd free, got to be worth thinking about with pups the size of neo's due,

Bumble things are different everywhere , here we give a booster before mating and two weeks before puppies are born a parvo injection. When the puppies are five weeks they get a temporary parvo and jaundice . then the 7 in one at 10 weeks and a booster at 12 weeks. I never realised untill coming on this board that vets had so many different ways doing the vac's. so if kath lives in england that advice re the vac's is no use to her , so i must edit that at once:) best wishes mari

Thanks for the info, it's interesting to hear how things are done there.

Certainly in my part of UK no vet would ever suggest giving boosters to an in whelp bitch. I certainly would never consider it, as there is some evidence that such a challenge to the immune system of an animal can cause auto immune problems, so I certainly wouldn't want immature unborn pups getting this strong dose of vaqccine. They will get passive immuntiy from the dam to the things she has been exposed to and innoculated against. My vet told me that boosting an in whelp bitch could actually be a factor in the pups innoculations not taking due to interference from maternal antibodies being prolonged.

I still prefer to no innoculate my pups until 10 weeks and final jab at 12 rather than the new protocol of 8 and 10 weeks, as my pups still are often suckiling a bit from their mum until 8 weeks or so!

same here its a definite no no!!!!it can harm the developing pups is the reason i was given,

Well that is how it happens here , seems to work. like humans it is the first few months that is dangerous to a baby , and first few weeks in a dog . parvo virus, and distemper was unheard of for a few years here . untill recently a new strain has come on board. the vets reckon being born with some immunities will help to let them survive a virus at five weeks because that is what is happening , puppies at five weeks are getting sick, and since they cannot be vaccinated if they are sick it helps that they have some protection. well thats what I have been told and when my puppies got a virus last sep my vet maintains they would have died only they had a measure of protection . so the old story doctors differ and patients die. . same with the vet world different strokes . mari

i had parvo here about 18years ago, when we still used the cat vaccines for it, i wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy! its made me completley over the top when ive got pups, shoes are dipped in the yard and taken straight off, i wont let anyone in thats got anything poorly at home, i really worry until ive got the vaccs done, its part of rearing the pups that spoil it for me ,,once you've had parvo you dont forget it,

she had a booster in december.Kath

can anyone tell me where i can bay a good book on whelping in manshester.Kath

cant you get to crufts on any of the days, you'd see lots of breeds also discover dogs will be on so the neo's will be there, theres every book you could ever need there, also the equipment, it would be well worth going,