yes you can, you just need to write to the kc and they will send you a letter saying it is ok to be shown. just remember to take this with you, especially if it is a castrated dog, as once i forgot my boys letter and the judge threw a wobbler, refused to place him and chucked us both out of the ring it was only a little open show and he was the only one in the class!
kelly

you need a letter from the KC and also i think you have to have a reason for having him neuterd??? (not 100% sure on that)

Also just to bring to your attention, in i think nearly EVERY breed standard at the ends states that all male dogs should have two normal balls:D

Hi Lynn

I can answer this one as I at long last got around to taking the requirements of a dog show judge examination last week :)

Yes you can show a neutered dog if you have KC permission first.

No, you don't have to take the "permission to show letter with you

Christine

As ice queen says the major problem is the breed standards, judges are contracted to judge to the breed standard. Which makes a mockery of the KC granting permission and puts the judge in a difficult position.

I have always thought why don't the KC just take it out of the breed standard.

Sorry, this is a bug bear of mine.

Sandra

ahhh but insted of the KC taken out of the breed standard why don't we take the KC out of the standard...well out of most things, just so things make more sense!!!

The KC don't write the standards, they only accept them or not as the case may be.

hi christine,
if you dont need to show the letter to judge, why did she throw such a wobbly and chuck us out?? i was always told that i had to bring my letter to any shows i entered in case the judge wanted to see it. this is the only time i have been asked for it and of course the only time i did not have it!
kelly

'Cause judges like the rest of us may mistakes, you do not need to take the letter and I don't think you ever have. And I don't think you need a reason it is assumed that it is done to stop unwanted procreating. If you have the dog castrated because of un-descended testicles or because of disease then you should ask for permission to show but if it is for the purpose of nurturing you don't have to ask for permission or take the letter.

Thanks for clearing that up Christine. I have a spayed bitch that I occasionally show (mainly at my breed club events as my prime interest is in working my dogs) and she has qualified for Crufts and her KC Stud Book Number (hilarious isn't it?). It always amazes me how some breeders and experienced exhibitors are so unfamiliar with the (F) regs; especially when it is clearly spelled out in the KC yearbook.

regards

Hi Tohme

I doubt most of us even buy the KC year book on a regular basis - think mine is about 6 years old now and many things have changed since then.

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The regulations have changed fairly recently regarding the permission to show letters but they are still granted frequently, especially if the dog/bitch concerned has produced offspring.

Christine

What if a dog is shown with one testicle and gets CC.Should the owner have got permission to show first.
If not would it be aloud to keep the CC.
Chow

No, most judges can count to two :) and if the judge considers that the dog has such merit that it is worthy of the title Champion then that is up to the judge. Have assumed you mean born with one ball and not had it removed. If it has been removed then permission to show should have been obtained, whether or not the CC would be withdrawn would be considered each case on it's merit.

I like that one Jackie.Most judges can count to two. LOL.
Yes born with one.
I saw a very well known judge once feeling bitches for knockers.Everyone had a good laugh.
Chow

Oh now lets be fair, they could have been checking the semitendinosus muscle ;) or more like the Gracilis don't you think?

You do not need to put neut on the entry form. A neutered dog will have "NEUT" next to its name in the Stud Book (if it is Stud Book qualified).

Lynn, I believe you also need to add the words 'neut' on your show entry once the KC have approved it. If you take a look at any old Crufts schedules, you will see a whole host of them

The whole thing has always seemed unfairly biased against the newtered male. After all, speyed females can compete against the rest of the class and the judge never needs to know, bit more obvious with a dog though ;) Wonder if a neutered class/stakes might be succesful? Can anyone think of any males who have shown succesfully after neutering?
bye
Gwen

When I was at the seminar last week we were told of a neutered male who got the group at a Championship show - I have a feeling it was a Corgi. He was made up to champion before he was neutered.

Christine

I don't think you actualy have to add this to entries (doesn't say it on the letteer I had. The reason Dogs in Crufts Catalogue have the offensive Neut after their names is that the entries are compiled from the KC computer.

It is one reason that many breeders who have their brood bit6ches spayed don't bother telling the KC about it, as when you get a KC pedigree it has the ludicrous situatiuon of showing neut against ancestors in the pedigree, clearly they were no such thing as they produced!

Hi There,
I show my neutered australian shepherd a fair bit at Open Shows and occasionally at Champ Shows. He was neutered for a medical reason, and we applied to the K.C. to still show him, they agreed and sent me a letter back confirming that they acknowledged he was neutered and that we may still show him..... I always take the letter with me to shows and hand it in to the steward before my class... Most judges read it, and then some ask the reason why he was neutered as they are going over him..... The K.C. have told me, the only time I declare on an entry form that he is neutered, is his Crufts entry, I don't have to declare it on anything else........
I would say, a lot of the ''old time'' judges don't place him very often, but most of the up and coming judges and the all rounders give him a chance and he still holds his own in the breed ring....
He loves to show and has excellent movement and structure, so while he enjoys it, I will carry on taking him out........
Gabrielle x

grabrielle, just one question you take your dog to show even that he is neutered which great from you and him for social side,but dose he get high placing 1st to 3rd,the dogs that i know that are neutered are not place at shows at a high placing,beacuse judge will think well if he is good dog for this breed he can not go to stud,and has there been a dog that been neutered won crufts,or best in show at open/champ, the bitches can get away with it has they bits are inside not out side like a dog.i do think male dog to get knock for is in the show world,but again there no prefect dog out there yet just the one you take home to love and carefor.

Don't think judges think like that, some may, but the judge does not know if the dog has progeny or not and most would only consider his lack of lumpy bits when it came to deciding between 2 nice dogs, if there was little to choose between them the intact one may win the day as having one less fault that the one who had been deprived. And yes, neutered dogs have had good wins, a sheltie bitch springs to mind but some dogs also.

Most judges seem to ignore the lack of nuggets altogether in the veteran classes.

Hi Terri,
Since he was neutered last year, he has done 2 Champ Shows and got placed at both yes........ He had already qualified for Crufts on his American Championship title, but it is nice also that even though he is neutered, he is still able to qualify on his own merits....... by still placing at a Champ Show. He is 8 years old now, so probably won't do many more Champ Shows with him, except a trot around the Veteran Stakes ring now and again... but will take him to the odd Open Show, he enjoys it, and he has taught me a lot also....... He is still getting Best of Breeds against other younger dogs, but as I said in a previous posting, a lot of the time, it depends on the judge. Some feel that even though, he is of excellent quality and type, that because he is not entire, he does not deserve to stand first. Thankfully, these judges at present have been few and far between, but I just pick my judges and shows carefully now, and if doesn't win on the day, well, it doesn't matter, we have still enjoyed our day out..... He has got progeny also out there that are winning, so he has left his mark on our breed and is a well known dog.........
Yes, the Americans have a good system though, they have ''altered classes'', where you compete against other neuetered dogs in your breed for Best of Breed and points, which you can then count up towards the title of ''Altered Champion''....... which I think is a really good idea....... don't know about our Kennel Club ever picking up on it though, I think we about 10 years behind the rest of the world !!!!!!!!! :-)
Gabrielle x

Myriehiew rosa Bleu was spayed after her first season due to Pyometra. she own championship Groups, and BIS I think. She was top dog all breeds that year anyway.

Don't know of any castrated males doing well except when castrated after they had already a fine show record and were veterans.

Also my sources tell me than neutered dogs and bitches can not be shown under American Kennel club rules, but are allowed in Veteran classes at some shows only.

In america they do have other show running organisations, and some of these may have classes ofr neuters and a way of making up neutered champions.

This is the one instance i like the American way of doing things as i found out the other night from a friend they have seperate classes for castrated and spayed dogs. And they can make them up into champions from these classes. I think it is a great idea and one which the Kc could adopt from our cousins across the sea. Don,t know what everyone else thinks