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Date 15.02.02 00:40 UTC
I just saw on the evening news a two month old kitten named "C-C" short for copy-cat. Which is the first successful-living cloned cat. She was beautiful, but with the current shelter population or I should say over-population I think this is going to far.
I hope this is ok to list under visitor questions--if not, sorry.
By Bee
Date 15.02.02 00:48 UTC
My post is in sadness--not anger. Admin Note:Moved to Breeding
By Ingrid ![[gb]](/images/flags/gb.png "United Kingdom")
Date 15.02.02 21:29 UTC
I can't say I approve at all, our pets are all individuals and should be accepted as such.
Now if someone could just clone a fast growing Nick Cage I might be tempted to changed my views. Ingrid
By mari
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Date 15.02.02 22:33 UTC
I can see why cloning may be an option in the futue in a world without men :d
no im only joking . truly. like you Ingrid I do not agree with cloning it is unnatural . I wonder do clones have the same emotions as natural born animals. if not is that what is wanted , a world with no feelings or emotions .
By gina
Date 16.02.02 00:46 UTC
I am a bit mixed in my feelings here. I think cloning is like having a different sort of same thing if you understand me ...like people who have split personalities in films ... ie a good side and a bad side.. I think cloning being the bad side. But when I read a few years ago that humans could have pigs valves in their hearts etc to keep them alive I thought that was amazing and a good thing.. see very mixed feelings but if it were my husband being able to be kept alive by a pigs valve I would be in favour (not that this has ever come into the equation just using him as an example.. hope you see what I mean as I cant make my mind up .. perhaps I will just up the insurance!!! ONLY JOKING !!!! :o
By mari
Date 16.02.02 00:52 UTC
Hi Gina, but what if they start cloning people to save other people. do you think it wont all go crazy , . I do
By Sharon McCrea
Date 16.02.02 02:25 UTC
Hi Gina, a genetic clone is, or should be if it works as planned, a perfect copy of the original. Exactly the same genetic material, so exactly the same appearance, character etc, with the only differences those produced by environemental factors (including intra-uterine ones) and different experiences. Just like identical twins, except that the clone is younger.
The way cloning could be used scares me, as do the the things that could potentially go wrong. But if someone offered to clone Corrib wolfhound, my one-in-a lifetime dog, who died many years ago, from an old blood sample found at the vets, or that they could take a tissue sample from 13 year old Piranha the diabolical deerhound who is 25% dog, 25% cat, and 50% human, and produce a pup that would grow up to be an exact copy of her when she passes on? I don't know what I'd do, but I do know that I'd surely be tempted.
As for Ian my husband, I'd definely clone him, just as long as I could then do some genetic modification to remove the bagpipe playing gene, the old car collecting gene, the 'never throw anything away' gene, the scottish dancing gene, the 'I'll cook tonight dear (but I'll use every pot, plate & pan, and you'll wash up)' gene, the gene that makes him say "dear" in THAT tone of voice, the bed-hogging gene (and the duvet stealing and snoring genes), the "yesss! I'll do it in a minute" gene ...............
By bumblebeeacres
Date 16.02.02 04:17 UTC
Hi , I saw on a morning news program an interview with the man who cloned the cat(named "Carbon Copy") located in Texas.
When the animal rights activists said that this is exactly what the pet population doesn't need, he responded by saying that that is an argument for those who are breeders not me.
He claims to actually help reduce the pet population by paying money to harvest eggs from a dog/cat which is being spayed. He says the money helps pay for more animals to be spayed.
I'm interested to know who gives authorization for him to use these eggs. Where are these animals that he harvests eggs out of from?
Are people with pets going into a vet to have their pet spayed and then the vet with or without knowledge or consent sells thier pets eggs for this cloning research? What about the breeder who sells a dog with a spay/neuter contract because the dog is not a good example of the breed and then this dog has eggs harvested from it, and whala a clone!
Does this man know about the specific breeds he is attempting to clone?
All of their physical and tempermental faults?
Or is he just concerned with finding out if he can sucessfully clone them, not even stopping to think if he SHOULD?
A comment was made about all the people already on a waiting list for his cloning business. And how people have said he will make a lot of money doing this, he says yes I probably will, but I have yet to set a price.
Another thing that bothered me in the idea of cloning. Many members have been talking about cross breeding and how it has been used to the betterment or detriment of different breeds. If we clone dogs and stop breeding to better the breed then aren't we "stunting" the full potential of dog breeds? Or is it a good idea to keep our dog breeds exactly as they are today?
Should dogs be cloned by people who know nothing of the breed standards? Or should they continue to be bred by knowledgable breeders?(yes, I know all people who breed dogs are not always knowlegable and ethical).
I wonder if this man even owns a dog?
I can see a possible benefit for cloning to recreat a particular disease in order to study it but for the general population I think it is an abomination.
A cloned cat will be identical generically, and possibly environmentally, until the time of birth - then the environment will take over and it will learn different things to its original, and in different ways.
Not a way for people to get replicas of their original pet
Christine
By gina
Date 16.02.02 12:07 UTC
yes, it is a very difficult subject to come to terms with I think. One minute I think hey that sounds good and then something else is said or written and I think oh dear perhaps not so good. The way science is going at the moment I believe things accelerate rapidly for the good and for the bad unfortunately. And I am not one to knock science just to worry about it sometimes. Gina
By mari
Date 16.02.02 13:51 UTC
cloning animals is simply a way to get us used to the idea , so they can progress to humans , if they havent done so already.
By bumblebeeacres
Date 17.02.02 00:17 UTC
Ooooooo! Scary Mari! I don't like that idea!
Nothing beats the natural way!
Ever wonder if cloned animals/people have souls?
By mari
Date 18.02.02 16:12 UTC
yes bumble i sure did , and it fair gives me the shivers,
By Zicos Mum
Date 18.02.02 18:02 UTC
Christine,
I agree with you, when I read the post from Sharon I started to think that maybe there would be a way of having your old, much loved pets back... but quickly realised that without all the memories which you and the 'original' shared, a clone would be no better than another puppy.
I'm afraid that mourning is still the only option, that and trying to distract myself with plans for a new Bundle of Fur!
Sleep well Zico, on your fluffy cloud ... :( ... and enjoy the Jumbone I just wished for you! :)
By gina
Date 18.02.02 20:22 UTC
Zico's mum - you just brought a lump to my throat - Gina xx
By Zicos Mum
Date 19.02.02 11:06 UTC
Gina,
Thank you for the sympathy! Didn't mean to make anyone sad :) They do still tug at your heartstrings though don't they!
Linda
Linda
You took the words right out of my mouth. As much as I love my dogs I wouldn't want a clone cos it just wouldn't be the same :-(
By Bee
Date 17.02.02 19:07 UTC
Alright. . . what is a nick cage?
After the blue tit....:o, I was reluctant to ask but since None of you know me, curiosity got the better of me:) (maybe I need a glossary of terms/words to participate on this site):D
By mari
Date 17.02.02 21:17 UTC
you are certainly making sure you are getting heard bee 3times:d..very reluctant:) Bee as you now know you were posted three times, I could not get back on board to tell you why so Leigh did and I bet she deleted for more of her fun:d
By Bee
Date 18.02.02 04:20 UTC
Oh, Nicholas Cage. Sorry, I wasn't thinking "people". (what three time?)
By Leigh
Date 18.02.02 09:59 UTC
Bee, Mari meant that your post appeared 3 times. I deleted 2 of them :-)
By Bee
Date 18.02.02 19:48 UTC
Sorry, I didn't know. I only posted once; and that was bad enough :o
By Leigh
Date 17.02.02 22:04 UTC
Nick Cage :-) Bee I hope you will ask if your not sure!
By bumblebeeacres
Date 17.02.02 22:59 UTC
Leigh, That was such a nice link of the nick cage!
Think I'll look inot getting one myself!
By Bee
Date 18.02.02 04:35 UTC
I suppose for some of the endangered species, cloning may be their best last hope.......
By Leigh
Date 20.02.02 09:37 UTC
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