Hi everybody ,i just wanted some advice ,poppy still WONT (go) in the garden or any where outside for that point! we got her at 8 weeks old and i know she was bred outside to working parents (shes colliexlab) she would go outside when we first got her but our vet said she cant go into the garden untill all her vacs are finised as we have a very high number of foxes in my area ,even if were out walking she just waits and goes on her paper when she gets back.ive tried putting paper in the garden and the smelly spray but it dosnt seem to be working ,does anyone think a crate would be a good idea ,ive never used them before??? Thanks for any ideas. Dani

use the paper idea, but inside. Cover the room where your dog spends most time (or a little bit of it if it is a big room) you will find Poppy will relieve her self in places, and then tend to go in a set place after a while. Take other pieces of paper away, and just have some on this one spot. Gradually take the paper closer to the door each day, untill you reach outside. Hey presto. Should work- it hasnt really been a problem for me, so i havent had to use this method. still- it might work.

With our dog i took the paper off within a few days of being home and just watched her like a hawk. Every time she bent down i took her straight out and stayed with her till she did something or if she didn't i just brought her back in after 10-20 mins and waited again.
It was only a matter of days.. (She sleeps upstairs with me on a night and won't get up till i do so the night-time was never a problem).

I know it's hard especially with the bad weather and the last thing you want to do is stand there in the freezing cold but stick with it and it will slowly happen.

Sarah

If you don't have a crate get one. Then first thing in the morning take him outside to go to the bathroom. Take him to the spot that you have designated and then say a command like Hurry Up. Say that every other minute till he either goes or until 15 minutes is up. If he goes then praise him to no end. If he doesn't then take him to the house and put him back into his crate. Wait 1/2 an hour then do the whole thing agian. Keep doing this routine till he goes. When he does go then bring him back into the house and feed him. He then has a 1/2 hour to play, with complete supervision, then back into the crate. After an hour in the crate take him out and do the routine agian. You are basically finding out what exact time he needs to go. At 6pm pick up his water and don't let him have anymore. Keep up the routine for the next couple of days. At first it will seem like he is in the crate a lot. But after 2 days of no accidents increase the time after going to the bathroom by 15 mintues. but keep up the routine. Then after another 2 days of no accidents increase another 15 mnutes. So soon he will not be in the crate at all. It works trust me. Plus you will learn when he really does need to go out. This will also teach him to go on command and in one spot.

The RSPCA (rightly, in my opinion) has 'issues' with people who don't allow their animals permanent free access to fresh water, Nicole.
:)

a puppy must have acsess to fresh water at all times, and that goes for any pet, so do not take his water away or you may have problems with a dehydrated dog,continue taking him out , he will soon get fed up and will eventually do the toilet.

good luck!!!

well then I and alot of the trainers out here must be the cruelest people in the world. When we go to bed all the cats and the dog comes into our room and the door is closed. So now fresh water. I guess my animals will die now. If you haven't realized it I was being sarcastic. Durring the dad the pup gets fresh water all he wants. You take it away at 6 sot hat by the time he gets put in his crate for the night his bladder will be empty and less chances of an acident. Your not keeping him in there forever. I have used this method on dozen and dozens of puppies and also on adult dogs *shock* and guess what, none of them have become dehydrated or sick or weak ar any of that. You can either try the method or not but it does work and it is not cruel. And the SPCA here does not see it as cruel either. I in fact help to retrain alot of their rescue dogs and help with the training of any pups they end up with. They have used my methods. Anyway I was just trying to help. You can take it or leave it.

As the withholding of drinks in the evening has been proven to be of no use whatsoever in 'curing' children of bedwetting (and in fact leads to more disturbed nights due to their thirst), why on earth should it work with puppies?

So sorry to inform you but it has been proven to work in children also. Some children with bladder infections it doesn't but for the average child it does work. In fact my daughter who is 4 doesn't get anything to drink after 8pm. And she has never wet the bed since she was potty trained at a year and a half. Look just because my training methods are different from yours please don't shoot them down. I don't shoot down anyone elses. I know people train differently and the whole point of this board is to get several points of view. As long as those ideas don't harm the animals. Mine don't. If they did do you really think I would be working and training assistance dogs, retrianing abused dogs, training puppies and such for people and rescue groups. No I wouldn't be. No dog or puppy I have trained ever has been hurt or harmed by my training methods. Lets just say you have your oppinion and I have mine. But please don't shoot down my methods. I am not just a pet owner but a profesional trainer. I joined this site to help people. If they wish to except my advice or not is up to them.

Actually it isn't proven to work in children.
Urology nurses recomend that children(with problems) drink more than normal children because it will stretch the bladder and increase the capacity hence making the childs bladder hold onto more urine lessening the frequency of urinating.

Not IMHO it's actually in my daughters urology nurses opinion.

Sarah

Didn't you read my post I said normal children. Not ones that have very small bladders or bladder problems. Just like normal pups, not ones with bladder problems. Thats why a vet should be seen first. Look I am not going to debate with you anymore. This is childish. I am not insulting you or your methods. SO don't insult mine please. I am sure you are here for the same reason I am so what is the real point in us doing this. I see this kind of posts all over this forum. Lets just talk about the issue and give our advice and then drop it instead of trying to get debates going. Most people hear have wonderful advice. Even I have added a few things to my training regeme. But I also see some people regularly leaving the topic to try to force their oppinion or view on someone. I don't think there is only one way to train. SO I thought this board was a wonderful idea because someone could get all kinds of training ideas and maybe one will work. I see more people having to defend their suggestions then advice in alot of posts and I think that is sad. If you don't like the advice someone gives fine say it once but then lay off. Nothing is gained by a debate and no one is helped.

Sorry but i'm abit mystified now.......You said that witholding drinks is proven to work, then you tell me off and say it only works in normal children.
Ok so why would you withold drinks from a normal child?? Obviously if they are 'normal' they would have no problem? I can't understand now what your quarrel was about?
What are you getting worked up for? I can't see no posts criticising you.
Calm down there's no need..

Sarah :)

I am not worked up I am very calm in fact. I am just stating what my training method is and why. You can take it or leave it.

My daughter was bed wetting still at 7 years old when her baby brother of 3 1/2 was dry!

I had tried restricting drinks and getting up to her at night and nothing worked reliably.

We went to the bedwetting clinic. The advice there was to INCREASE the amount she drank to increase the strength and capacity of her bladder.

It worked and she was dry within a month.

My dogs always have water if they want it, though admit they rarely bother gettting out of their baskets to drink once in bed, but do sometimes especially this summer.

This post seems to have become unnecessarily heated. I have a 6 month old Gordon Setter and I know from experience that if I allowed him unlimited water to drink before bedtime (he sleeps in his own bed in my bedroom and goes to bed at the same time as I do, which could be anything up to 1.30 a.m.) he would wake me to let him out into the garden as early as 5.a.m., which is a bit inconvenient to say the least. He has unlimited access to water from 6.30 a.m. until about 10.30 p.m. and the very last thing I do before we go upstairs to bed is to take him out to his spot at the bottom of the garden. I have had several dogs over the years which have all lived to a ripe old age and I've never owned a dog which needed to drink during the night. So...I for one see where 'you're coming from ' Nicola.

Thank you so much for that. My animals also have unlimited acess until about 6 when they are under a year. If they are over a year then it is till we go to bed. I just open up my door and my dogs are trained to run over to a pen that we built, go through the door and relieve themselves then come straight back to the door and go to bed. It's great. I don't even have to go outside in the cold or rain and they are always done in a couple of minutes so no wait at all. Another good thing is that if we go out camping or on a long car trip all I have to do is give a command and they go. No wait. This is what my training methods can produce. The pups I have worked with usually are trained to go on command in 3 days and to go in the pen or a specified spot in a month. Thank you for your comment.

It's obvious that the people who post here all have genuine concern for the welfare of their beloved animals and maybe see the 6 p.m. time as a bit harsh;it wouldn't work for me I have to say,with our late bedtimes,but it obviously works for you and hey, ' horses for courses' as they say-I think it's a matter of finding a routine that suits both dog and owner and that doesn't usually happen overnight. It is really helpful to be able to get all the different points of view on issues such as these.

the 6pm is usually because we are up around 4 or 4:30am in the morning. Husband works early.

Back to the house training lol :D

No I don't agree with taking water away at all, mine all have water in their kennels and house trained just fine. If you want your puppy to house train you have to be persistant. If pup has a poo in the house take that out to where you want ur puppy to go reason for this is so puppy smells and see's what is there, always leave some poo behind till puppy learns this is where they are suppose to go. Take your puppy to the exact same spot each time and use a word hurry up/go pee/which ever works for you while pup is going continue saying those words and say good and a lot of praise/treat afterwards. Take puppy out when puppy wakes up, after eating, after playing all the time. if you schedule feed it will be much easier to no when the pup has to go, I free fed so I just watched the signs. You see ur puppy sniffing a lot doing circles then time to go out, catch the pup in the act clap ur hands scoop pup up and straight out doors where you want pup to go and continue with the commands. If pup does not go put the pup in the kennel and try again outdoors about 5 -10 minutes later, still nothing back in the kennel and again 10-15 minutes later. Once pup performs allow free time and give 100% of your time to watching puppy. I always picked up all food by 8pm every night. Keep the kennel in ur room so you can hear ur puppy in the middle of the night, I slept with my first pup and she just woke me up every night when she had to go. Try to use ur puppies name every time you praise this also makes it a happy time. My second one I kept on leash and he got leash trained in the process and house training was much easier, I only allowed free time off leash when i was able to give 100% of my time to watching him.

You will get all kinds of opinions on how to house train ur puppy, do what works best for you two :)

Good luck with your little furbaby :)

Well gals, I reckon it's bedtime for me and Hamish -he's lying , legs akimbo, head resting on a silken cushion next to me on the settee as I speak. It's 12.30 and time for his 'ablutions' as it were. Did I mention he pretends to be a sack of potatoes when it's time to go out into the dark and cold? What's that? You want some water? Oh all right then.....
(just joking) Good night.

Hi Dani, my afghan pup arrived last Thursday and I got really downhearted over the toilet training. She has settled in really well and is the perfect pup until she wee's and poo's everywhere! I sat outside with her for the first couple of days for over an hour at a time in the freezin' weather, when she did nothing and I could move my limbs again we would come in only to have her wee right in front of me and as i clean that up she has a poo!!! The frustration I felt :rolleyes: Dont get me wrong I never once took it out on the pup (who is 12 weeks and came from an outdoor environment so just went wherever) - What I did was never got angry with her or told her off because I didn't want her to feel shy about going in front of me! I put paper down by the back door which she did start to use, but also I took her out literally every 15 minutes, after every drink, after every meal, after every play,after every sleep and when she just looked like she needed to go. Now the novelty of the new garden is passing it is much easier to get a wee or poo out there and as someone mentioned I praise her no end - I also use a clicker and a piece of sausage. Today is day 7 and she is coming on, not perfect but I now recognise when I think she needs to go, I have also reduced the amount of paper, I also take her out in the garden on her lead, gets her used to it and she knows it means business - also if she does go toilet outside I dont bring her straight in - I let her have a play, so she doesn't associate a wee with going back to the boring indoors!!!
Oh yes...She sleeps really well in my bedroom in her basket from about 11pm to 6:30am and I take water up with me, if she has a big drink before sleep time I just get up and try her one last time - it really does go straight through her ;)
Sarah

Hi everybody. well what can i say diddnt expect to start a ruckas, lol , well update ,we got a crate well i borrowed my friends ,but its working and shes going to the loo in the garden HURRAY............ shes been in there at night and on and off during the day and i dont know how i survived without it ,diddnt really want to use it but she was proving to be a little sod in that department!!! thanks for all advice .