Does anyone know anything about Schnauzers at all? A lady who I sort of know from previous dog walking days, is getting a Schnauzer pup in a few months it seems and she wondered if she'd be able to meet and walk with me and Sal. I've no objection at all more the merrier but what is A Schnauzer like temp/personality wise?

Karen

Hi. Ihave 3 mins and 3 stds and I can honestly say the temperaments are A1. I wouldnt have a dog with a bad temperament. It does however depend on where the puppy is coming from. Most Schnauzers in this country have good temperaments but like most breeds you do have the odd few that arent so good. Schnauzers generally get on well with other dogs and are great characters. Hope the one your friend is getting is one of those. Let us know how you get on or if you can find out where the puppy is coming from and I will try to help you with regards to what to expect.

Hello Freddie,

Thanks very very much I will ask her next time I see her where the pup is coming from. It will be a Std though I am told.

Karen

a lot of standards are firey with other dogs, read my post on idle chat, i dont mean all of them , but i find the ones with bad temperament dont ask first---they just dive in, and boy do they mean it,

Yes Dizzy I had already read your thread but that was one dog was it not?

I have Staffords and they to can be firey with other dogs but mine have always been "more than good" due to common sense on my part, as well as a lot of time and effort put into socialising my pups.

That is what my friend is trying to do with her pup sussing out people she knows with "dog friendly dogs"
so that the pup gets used to other dogs of various sizes from an early age.

Has to be good doesn't it?

Karen

yes that was one, but ive had it from others too, i just find them a touch sparky, -sorry !!!! i think its best to be aware as have it come as a shock, then the owner can make sure it never happens, ----im not knocking your friend at all, i hope it all goes well, but theres certain lines id not touch , hopefully her new puppy isnt anything to do with them . your right in saying that shes trying, and good on her. :D i still think its best to be aware.

My three standards have excellent temperaments but they do all originate from the same kennel that has been in the breed for over 35 years. This breeders stock are renowned for their excellent temperaments. I agree there are some in this country whose stock I would not touch. Hope the new puppy is not from one of those.

im pleased you see what im trying to say---i know in the group ring i always check which ones stood next to me, and react accordingly------most at that level are great, !!!!!!!

Good job it was the bitch that won BOB at Darlington!!!!!!

freddie !!!!!!!!!! i see your in tune with the situation----------your so right, im VERY PLEASED the bitch won best of breed at darlington-------as casey is a mature nearly 3 year old-----not as easy a picking as a 6 month puppy bitch -plus if it was unfortunate to attack another of my dogs EVER!!!!! shes down on record now. -just sad that a dog of that temperament is actually now a champion !!!!! even if it had to wait 7 years :rolleyes:

I will not go near this dog when I am at the shows. He is well known in the breed for not having the best of temperaments!!!!!. Yes he did get made up. But perhaps that has done us all a favour as he probably wont be campaigned anymore. Heres hoping anyway!!!!!.

his owners attitude matches that of the dog--it was the puppys first show ever, just over 6 months-he shot out from behind his owners legs and bit right into her face, we had to prize him off, -the puppy had a very deep puncture wound just under her eye needing veterinary treatment---we where gutted, the owner however went into attack mode------wed got into his space, i was fuming, as we walked off to sort out the now bleeding in shock puppy, i heard her say, well each was as bad as the other!!!!! i turned at her shouting what did you just say???????? she stood saying nothing, no apoligie nothing-this dog continued to fly out through the day at anything it thought it might reach, it conected with a few/----so i decided to report it, it was very obvious this wasnt a one off !!!!! and with an arrogant owner it was all the breed needed, --this is why i was so pleased to get a letter after the kc hearing to say the dogs record had been marked!!!! and the owner warned to keep him in order,

I know I was there that day. Didnt see the incident but heard the comotion afterwards and did see the puppys face. As a responsible breeder and owner of Schnauzers I can honestly say that the majority of our breed have good temperaments. We dont need these kind of things happening as it tars us all with the same brush. I am afraid I couldnt/wouldnt own a dog (whatever breed) that had a dodgy temperament. It would have to take a one way trip as far as I am concerned.

freddie!!!! is it you??????????? :D we met at the benches,

The benches........at which show.......I was at Birmingham (think I gave you the owners name) then we met at Builth!!!!! remember......oh yes you went BIS of course you remember Builth. But in the group ring.......and that awful woman!!!!!!!!!

oh hello!!!!!!! :D :D :D. so nice to know its you---yes your dogs temperaments are just great, :D wish youd said sooner,

Thing is Dizzy you dont know who else is on here. They could be reading all this that is being written and next thing you know there is a letter in the post. Anyway many congrats on everything that you have done with Casey and hope many more good things come her way. She has had some lovely reports in the press. You must be so proud of her. We havent got anything now til Midland Counties. Bringing out my new bitch puppy.Hope this lady gets a decent puppy from a decent breeder. I know the ones I wouldnt go to. Hope you sent her those. My e mail facility has gone down so cant e mail her myself.

i cant send her the definites, ive only told her the name of the culprit, would you like your breeders details passed on, as i can vouch for feeling safe in the group when im stood next to one of yours,

You can pass on that on my behalf.......Thanks. My mum has been breeding Schnauzers fo 35 years now and has amassed the grand total of something like 30 odd champions. But the majority of her stock have gone to pet owners some of whom are now on their fourth Schnauzer from her because they wouldnt go anywhere else. Think that says it all!!!!

thats excellent. , and yes you must be proud, ------- not to mention your temperaments :D ive sent the details, didnt know if you wanted a phone number given out, so only sent affix and breeder/

Thanks Dizzy. Hope to see you at Mid Counties.

nope :D

Well BUBA then!!!!

yes, ---we'll be at buba, -driffiield this weekend, and the club championship show , debating lka, --good luck at midland counties.

Will check the results at Driffied. Good Luck and thanks for your help tonight.

Yes you are right it is and I will mention it when I see her again I'm sure they will be okay though. Her husband is from Germany and his family used to breed Schnauzers (not to sure about details though) and he had a Giant Schnauzer when they meet. But I never meet him the dog that is, I've meet her husband though.

They used to have a fantastic bullmastif bitch that they "rescued" from a house where they kept her chained as a guard dog!

Karen

Freddie/Dizzy would you care to email me with the lines of Schnauzers that are not as "reliable as others"

I have made my email accessible for this.

I'd hate her to make a mistake in this.

Karen

the clue is right above you :D , tell us the breeding of the one your buying, we'll tell you if its ok

Got it.

Will enquire as to the family history of the pup when I see my friend.

I would much rather tell you of the stock that is ok than let the world know of the ones that I would rather avoid.

its ok --ive told him, !!!! cant see any reason not to,

I apologise, Freddie, please could you let me what breeders in your opinion are breeding sound/healthy/good tempered Std's.

Karen

Thanks both,

I'm pleased my post is the cause of your reunion :D

Karen

you might also be pleased your post saved your mate from buying an iffy one :D did you get my mail

Thats Ok. Do let us know where the puppy is coming from. I know my mum has a litter at the moment but isnt expecting anything for a while after that. So dont think you friend is getting a puppy from her. Will be interested to hear from you. Take care.

Yes Dizzy got it.

Thanks both Nite-nite

schnauzers are wonderful but like all dogs need good socialisation .love playing .mines always the first to check out the new pups at training laying down for the little ones to bounce on her head then up for a rough and tumble with her big mates.I can honestly say i've never heard her growl.Freddie yes i have heard of your dog i'll keep an eye on the results in the future for them .Iwas gobsmaked when i read what happened to dizzy it was so alien to my experience with my girl. hasen't got a mean bone in her body.

i have a male mini schnauzer,and he is the most wonderful little man i could have wished for,he is very affectionate,very rarely noisy,and excellent with the kids,i would definitley get another if i could accomodate one
mel:)

Hi its not a kennel that breeds bad dogs its how you rear them its true the males in Schnauzer can be a problem but its not fair in saying there is good and bad kennels out there .
Iv not seen a bad tempard one yet but then I have not seen all the dogs out there!!!!!
I find the ones that are kennel dogs tend to be more hyper the ones in the home I have 3 Staundards living with ETTs and have never had any problems at all.
At the end of the day most problems are the owners in not letting there dogs socialise.

sorry, im going to have to disagree here, in any breed there can be lines that are just not as nice as youd hope for in temperament, --not just one off's but in the lines and exhibited by relatives, ------ some lines can be sparky-others spooky, im sure most whove been around dogs a long time will know what im saying, ----i do agree a poor owner can make a well bred dog untypically badly behaved, but thats not the point im making, -i do believe there are kennels-lines that have poor temperaments--geneticly, -not because of rearing,.

Are you talking Mins Standards or Giant Schnauzers? I must be lucky in only meeting the others !!! I dont know of any Schnauzers whos temperments are bad but then as I said in my org post iv not meet all schnauzers out there.
Cant understand why you are knocking this breed? I have seen nervis ones but thats not bad temperment and thats nothing to do with the breed.
Or maybe I am lucky in haveing good ones from the start!!!

firstly im not knocking the breed!!! i made that very clear in the beggining. -----i said SOME , not all, most breeds have lines with less than ideal temperaments. my own included--this mail was because of someone asking where to find a good one-i and another advised to be careful as SOME temperaments are iffy -please dont put words in my mouth./---- oh and again i disagree, nervousness is bad temperament, ------ do you think a nervy dog has a good temperament then ?????

Well thank both of you in pointing out your views.
But just a few more things
Nervousness is a state of the dog at a certin point in its life not all nervousness is coused by temperment most are man made!! eg
Being left alone and not soscialised or being beating or kicked about ever heard the word hand shy!!!
Has for the kennel dogs being hyper,
Well I look after kennels so the owners can have a break and the 3 Schnauzer kennels iv done the house dogs was relaxed but the ones outside was hyper so im judgeing it on 3 cases iv met.
Not all kennel dogs are like this just found the working breeds tend to be more.
As you know the Schnauzer has a active mind on them and need company and work well on it.Mine are with me most of the time and go most places with me and yes they go into kennels when Im working in them but they dont live there lives in them.
As for getting them from the right place well I bred mine.
When i went to buy the bitch I was working for the breeder and saw 5 gen of her dogs and saw wot I was getting and living there for 6 weeks found them all sound.
As for the sire I owned him too and he was not like other Schnauzers he wags his stup at everyone he meet the same as his son I have here which is not how a Schnauzer should be by the standard!!! ( Stand off - weary )

wrong---nervousness isnt at "TIMES" in a dogs life, -a nervous dog isnt normally an abused dog either. --its genetic------if your argument was right why then are we meant to meet the mother of any pups we might think of buying-----according to you if shes nasty its no big deal because youd rear the pup not to be------- if shes shy no big deal either, shes obviously been beaten ------then again why do any breeds have temperament tests, it obviously doesnt matter, as they wont pass any wrong temperaments on----will they????

Now you are putting words in my mouth most nervis dogs can be the shear fact that they have not been socialise as for the fact it ok to buy from a bitch or dog with temperment problems a lot comes down to socialising and if you been in dogs a long time you should be able to decide which it is !!!
I find that dogs kept outside with little contact with people cant cope when put into a situation outside the world they know!!!
How many dogs see buses ,trains .people every day?
Im not getting at people that keep dogs in kennels.
Yes there is a lot about genetics but it lays on both sides
How many times I hear people say when they have a bad litter its the sire!!!!!
This is now getting past the org posting so I will stop it here.
We all have out own thoughts on wot is right and wrong thats why we have such heated debates.
I was only upset when a breed iv got to love is being knocked as you would if you heard someone knocking yours ?

i think its called sticking your head in the sand---------------again,!!!!!!!! i said all breeds-mine included. !!!!!! your right, its pointless saying anything else, your just not hearing it,

Not sure anyone is knocking your breed - but it is certainly true that there are lines in *all* breeds that produce poor temperament - and no amount of socialisation will do anything about it. I have two females here - both purchased from good breeders, well reared etc. both brought up by me with extensive socialisation - no material difference in their rearing, training or socialisation. One is bomb proof, the other is nervous of people. When you look at the mothers - the first was also bombproof, the second "shy". Yes - I made an informed decision to have a puppy from her on her other qualities - and on the fact that she was shy but not at all aggressive - but her daughter is the same - and - much as I love her - I wouldn't put *anything* above temperament again. I do not believe either that it is a behaviour "taught" by the mothers either. The nerves in both are only evidenced with strangers - at home with people they know they are perfectly happy - so while my girl was a baby at home her mother would not have been showing nervousness around her. Rather I believe it is genetic as Dizzy says.

Certainly poor rearing can spoil good temperament - but nerves are not all caused by poor rearing!

Janet

No one was knocking the breed. After all I do have 3 stds and 3 mins (why would I want to knock it?) Just trying to make it clear that breeds do have temperament problems in certain lines. We do not have a big gene pool in Schnauzers over here so it is easier to know where the problem lies and easier to rectify it. Some breeds do not have this easy option as they are too large in number. I have to say that only a very few of the breed have a temperament problem.
I have only ever been bitten once in my life.......it was a Schnauzer.......and not one of mine........one I had in for grooming!!!!!. Enough said I think on this subject.

Do you not have your original dog or bitch. By my reckoning they wouldnt be that old.

I am sorry but like Dizzy I am going to have to disagree with you. You have obviously been very lucky in obtaining 3 schnauzers with good temperaments. There are some that are not so good out there. Having been in the breed for over 25 years I have seen many that I would not want to have in my home. But that goes for most breeds. Socialisation of any puppy of any breed goes a long way but genetics play their part also. My Schnauzers are kennel dogs and are not in any way Hyper. They all have excellent temperaments something that I think is more important in any breed to get right. Their looks are secondary.