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By rlataster
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Date 30.01.02 11:00 UTC
We picked up our new black Lab puppy on Saturday and he's settling in really well. One question I have is when do puppies get their adult teeth and how old would you estimate a Labrador to be when he has four of his adult teeth? The reason for my question is that the vet says the puppy is a lot older than the breeder led us to believe.
By thistle
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Date 30.01.02 11:58 UTC
We got a lab puppy in August. She was 9 weeks old and had only baby teeth. I'm not sure if she had them all by then. About 4-6 weeks later her baby teeth started falling out to be replaced more or less immediately by adult teeth. Sometimes she had 2 teeth in one place. How old is you puppy supposed to be? If he has some adult teeth I imagine he must be 4-5 months old, but I'm not an expert, I'm just telling you what happened to me. I hope you enjoy him
Jane.
By rlataster
Date 30.01.02 12:52 UTC
Thanks Jane. According to his pedigree certificate he is 11 weeks old today - I really believe he must be older than this.
By Schip
Date 30.01.02 13:28 UTC
My puppies who are going to Germany next wk are just starting to lose theirs at 16wks - I wish now they could have gone a wk earlier but their rabies jab has to be a min of 30 days for them to be allowed into Germany so hey ho they had full dentition 2 days ago but not anymore lol.
By fleetgold
Date 30.01.02 13:34 UTC
I think he sounds older than 11 weeks - could you query it with the breeder, it COULD be a genuine mistake on the form.
Joan
Take the rough with the smooth
By sierra
Date 30.01.02 14:01 UTC
I agree. Kai lost the last of his baby teeth at 4 months; started losing the canines about two weeks prior to that. The puppy definitely sounds older than 11 weeks if he has all his canines already.
By rlataster
Date 30.01.02 14:49 UTC
I called the breeder as soon as we returned from the vets as, understandably we were both quite annoyed that we had possibly been lied to. She was quite adamant that the birth date is correct but was going to double check for me. She said they could only be two weeks older if at all. I just don't know why she'd have a reason to lie and I really don't know who to believe. Tally is just lovely and I have no worries with him - I just need to know when to make him a birthday cake!!:)
By heelerkay
Date 30.01.02 14:54 UTC
The breeder sounds like she is telling a lie.
I have pups at the moment and you do not forget
when they are born. I could understand if she had put the wrong
month ie 9 instead of 8.
Can i ask did you wait for the pup or was it advertised as ready now.
If advertised as ready now was it last in the litter.
By thistle
Date 30.01.02 16:57 UTC
Have you weighed your puppy? I know they can vary, but for your info I have just looked up Thistle's weight chart. We weighed her regularly (Yes I know it's sad isn't it? Do you think we need to get out more?) When she was 11 weeks she weighed 7 kilos. She is from a small working gundog strain but if your doggy's much heavier than that you may have been sold a pup:-) ( sorry I couldn't resist it). I'm sure your lab is lovely but I would be angry and confused with the breeder and want to get to the bottom of it. After all I can't imagine anyone genuinely being that far out with the age by mistake. I'd be interested to know what he weighs. Please don't let this spoil your enjoyment of him.
Jane
By rlataster
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Date 31.01.02 08:29 UTC
Jane
When we took him to the vets for his first injection on Monday he weighed 10.5kg. When I spoke to the breeder after the visit to the vets one of the first things she said was "if you're not happy with him, then please bring him back straight away". To take him back was never in question, he is a really good dog and the bond is formed instantly - I just want the truth.
Rachel
By rlataster
Date 31.01.02 08:41 UTC
I actually started looking from breeders on the internet and found Crisella Retrievers based in Norfolk. I sent them a mail to enquire about their puppies and didn't receive a response for a while. A month or so later I received an email from a lady who had been forwarded on my original email, she is a breeder who uses the Crisella dogs to sire her pups. I called her and she was very informative, giving me all the information I should be looking for etc. When I spoke to her the pups were supposedly six weeks old and being collected the weekend after next - out of the litter of seven five had already been chosen and we had the chose of the remaining two. She then told us that she had the dates wrong and the pups were actually nine weeks old but when we checked out the date on the pedigree certificate that makes Tally 10 weeks old - but seemingly he is older than that still!! This is the quickest ageing dog ever!! My next thought is if the date is wrong on his pedigree then what about the whole of his pedigree!! Oh, why can't people just be truthful!!
By sierra
Date 31.01.02 09:16 UTC
Call up Crisella Retrievers and ask when the stud service for this particular litter was performed. Add around 63 days after that and you'll come up with the approximate date (within three or four days) of the litter's birth. The stud owner should keep track of the dates that the dog is used.
Thats what I would have suggested Sierra, but unfortunately I would say that with this particular kennel they may not get much response. I had an e-mail last year from someone who had bought a puppy from them and he had been trying to contact the kennel for months, he had resorted to e-mailing every known breeder in Norfolk in the hope that they could help him contact them. Don't know the result of his search but it seemed very strange to me.
Dazzle
By sierra
Date 31.01.02 11:22 UTC
You know my opinion of 'breeders' who are unaccessible to the people who have bought puppies from them. Me, I would be tempted to drive there and sit in their driveway until they showed up and then ask about the ethics of responsibility. **shrugging** But as my husband would say 'hey-ho' -- it seems like these types of people do a booming business without assuming any future responsibility.
Maybe we are doing it all wrong -- but that would be another topic entirely.
Has anyone tried contacting the breed club to see if the people involved are members and what the ethics regulations binding them as members might be? That would be my next step if I couldn't get good answers.
By fleetgold
Date 31.01.02 10:27 UTC
I have heard stories of breeders falsifying the date of birth in the hope of doing well in puppy classes at shows, so they bring out very mature looking '6 month old' puppies who do well in competition against puppies who are actually 6 months old. Whether these stories are true or not I can't be certain, everyone knows of it being done but no-body ever does it themselves!
I'd certainly be suspicious of someone who said their pups were 6 weeks old, and then said, sorry its 9 weeks. At that kind of age I can tell you my pups ages to the day, I might be slightly less exact when they are older, ie saying 15 weeks and then correcting myself to 16 weeks, but never more than that, and I can give you the date and day of birth of all of them exactly.
As you say, if date of birth is wrong what else is wrong? Do you have the puppy's KC registration document or just the pedigree? It doesn't really matter if Tally is just going to be a pet other than you shouldn't have been lied to, you can celebrate his birthday whenever you want, it won't upset Tally if it isn't the correct date. However if you ever had any thoughts of showing or, even more importantly, breeding then it is important that you know the correct pedigree.
Joan
take the rough with the smooth
By heelerkay
Date 31.01.02 10:55 UTC
Fleetgold i agree with what you said 100%.
Also If pups are registered to be younger maybe its because
a previous litter was born within the 12 month period and would not
be able to register say 3-4 weeks earlier.
By fleetgold
Date 31.01.02 11:04 UTC
Yes, I'd forgotten about that. I was thinking in show terms before the new regulations about registering a litter under 12 month came into being. The 12 month period might well be the real explanation for the date.
Joan
take the rough with the smooth
By heelerkay
Date 31.01.02 11:24 UTC
There is really not very much you can do.
Just don"t let it take the shine of your new boy enjoy him.
When hes older a couple of weeks will not make any difference.
I know you feel cheated but my advice would be to leave it
at the end of the day you will probabaly get nowhere.
By heelerkay
Date 31.01.02 11:34 UTC
Even if it is kc registered the kennel club are unlikely to do anything.
A friend of mine reported a breeder for changeing dates of birth to
fit in with the one per year litter rule. They told her to prove it.
She said she had all the true dates and that she had kept records herself.
The kennel club were not interested
By rlataster
Date 31.01.02 21:11 UTC
Tally is 100% pet and we have and never have had any intention of breeding/showing etc. From the start it was always the principle of the fact that we have (probably) been lied to. It definitely hasn't taken the shine out of having a pup - I've just been out in the garden with him to play. I tell you, I buy him all these lovely, new toys and what does he do?? Race up and down the garden with a stone in his mouth!!
Thanks to all for your input:)
By digger
Date 31.01.02 21:49 UTC
glad your enjoying your puppy :-) Can I just remind you that puppies (and dogs) can swallow stones very easily and it can result in major abdominal surgery :-(
By gina
Date 31.01.02 21:52 UTC
yes we have to watch Barney as he loves to pick them up. We dont leave him unattended outside either! Just posted a health question because this was at the back of my mind but his bowels are fine etc so dont think he has ever swallowed any??! He is never still very long outside !
By heelerkay
Date 31.01.02 21:57 UTC
You have to watch he dosn"t chip his teeth also.
Oh its so stressful why do we have them. The same reason we have kids i suppose.
give him a big kiss from us. and relax.
By gina
Date 31.01.02 22:09 UTC
Why do we have them!!! My baby at the moment has been so quiet sitting behind me as I am on the computer and I now see has has one of my husband's new slippers and it is suede so he is having a good chew and it looks disgusting!! Should take it off of him...nah... or I suppose I better before he is caught by husband LOL... got it!!!
By heelerkay
Date 31.01.02 22:12 UTC
NO your husband is lower in the pecking order give it him back.
i have 4 dogs 4 puppies and two teenagers my hub is lucky if he gets
a seat.
By gina
Date 31.01.02 22:17 UTC
True!! What is the male/female ratio though in your house!! With two female cats, my daughter and me that means one more female to my two men. Husband now has another male in the house instead of being the only one.... and Barney is really enjoying that slipper still LOL
In our house everyone except my son, is female, well the jury on the goldfish is out! There are 4 bitches (canine) and me and my 14 year old daughter, LOL :D
By gina
Date 31.01.02 22:36 UTC
LOL. My friend's dad used to say he lived with 4 bitches - his daughter, his granddaughter, Rosy the dog and even the budgie !!! PS He was of course joking LOL
By Jackie H
Date 01.02.02 07:22 UTC
My bitch Elli and I rule the household of three dogs & one husband Jackie H
By issysmum
Date 01.02.02 11:18 UTC
My mum phoned me last night to tell me about a Spaniel in the West Midlands area that had to have surgery to remove 427 patio stones from it's stomach. By patio stones I'm assuming they mean small pebbles but whatever sort of stones they were they weighed 3.5lbs!!
The spaniel was very lucky not to suffer a serious obstruction with that many stones in it's stomach.
Fiona
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