Hello,We have been talking to a breeder about adopting a pedigree puppy of possible show quality and maybe further down the line to breed if the dog comes up to scratch..The price we were given was £1000.00 for a dog and £1500.00 for a bitch..Is it usual for a price difference like this between dogs and bitches??And the breeder also told us if we decided on a dog it would be jointly owned with her..is this the norm and how does this work??Also i have read some people "run there dogs on" until they are six months old to make sure of the quality and wont' sell them until they are sure they are show quality,we would be taking the puppy home with us around 8 weeks of age..I realise that nobody can guarantee a show quality dog but just wondered what the norm was about this..Thankyou??

The price would be about right with a solid gold collar! What breed? Some rare breeds are going to be dearer than others but that to me is way over the top!

Regards, John

ooo lmao john u did make me giggel:P:D soild gold colla ha ha

You makin fun of me?

John ;)

This has to be either a Harlie Great Dane or a Bulldog.

Price wise...it seems the going rate (probably even more for a good harlie), however, I would not be keen on part ownership of the dog after purchase when paying top whack, although the breeder could simply be protecting their own interests with regards to who you put the dog to in the future.

Would help it you could confirm the breed then I am sure someone will be able to advise you :)

Hi,The breed is a Shar Pei,it is funny that you mention Great Danes as we are actually torn between the two breeds(from one extreme to another)I was brought up with a black Great Dane called Casper!!and i loved every minute with him..Anyhow back to the point..The breeder did say we could stud him in the future to whoever we liked but she would want the option to use him if she wished..hence the joint ownership..I did expect to pay quite a bit for the right dog but i was a bit taken back by the joint ownership thing..

no way is that a fair price for a shar-pei----------who on earth is trying to charge so much ????? im guessing your buying a strange colour and thats the reason theyve asked for such a price---------im the top breeder in shar-pei this and last year and dont charge anything like that,

Hmm. I'm with Dizzy...who's charging those prices??

May I suggest that you go to one of the top breeders? (one of whom we have on here!!)
You'll more than likely have a better dog, and at a fairer price too.

Take care
Lisa

Chloe there is a harlie advertised in my local paper for £250 dont know the age or why their selling it but thought it was cheap :)

:( ring em up and find out for me? where are you? i could always try and get them to hand it over to rescue i guess

I'm in grimsby e.mailed you

Hi
Firstly, it would be a great help to know the breed. Breeds vary significantly in price, Bulldogs for instance can be well over a grand, grand and a half.... whereas other breeds, more common etc, tend to be cheaper, £400-£500.....
Secondly, yes, often you would expect the sexes to vary in price, dogs tending to be cheaper than femals..this isnt always the case though.
Thirdly...joint ownership with the breeder??? hmmmm, well, Im not quite sure what they mean by that... They will always have the breeders KC name if that is what she means...but once you have bought the dog it is yours. You would need to go into detail a bit more on what she said exactly.
Runnin dogs on.....hmmm (again)...well, I think I understand what you mean, but you shoudnt be expected to buy a "puppy" at 6 months..technically it is still a pup, but you would be more likely to buy at around weeks.
I dont, obviously, know all the details, but a couple of the points you have raised do sound a bit odd....It might be best IMO to look around a bit more.
P.S, Is show quality what you are after...do you intend to show?
Also...what is the puppy's history like? How many champs are listed?
good luck!

Hi, Yes we do most definately want to show,We have only talked over the phone so we do not know the parents history as of yet and the pups are not born yet..She wants joint ownership if she decided she wanted to use the dog herself in the future..apart from that no restrictions..Sorry if i am being a bit thick about this but begginers have to start somewhere..Thankyou

is it an unusual colour-----is so youd stand very little chance of winning with it, -what reason have they given for such a ridiculous price.

Hissy

I to have to say that is way outta line on price range for a Sharpei unless you are talking to breeders that breed Blues, Lilacs, parti-colours etc.

Here is the Kennel Club Recognised Sharpei club web details which also had a breeders/club members list through-out the country, and I bet there isn't many breeders on the list that want to charge you that sort of money. www.spcgb.co.uk

Hope this helps and good luck
Karen

Hi, leaving aside the question of price and colour (Dizzy is the lady to answer on those points) there are several things you needs to consider about the stipulations which have been suggested:
1)Maintaining joint ownership if you buy a dog. This needs very closelly going into and agreeing from the outset, and clearly set down on paper. If they simplly mean that they wish the right to use the dog at stud whenever they want, you have to agree if this is to be paid for or for free, if it is only on their own bitches or any bitch they "put forward" to the dog. You can agree that they get free studs, reduced price studs or whatever seems fair and put it all in writing without them retaining a registered interest in the dog. If you agree to them mainatining part ownership you have to sort out if this is on paper only or if they are also entitled to 50% of any stud fees! Remember that if they are registered as co-owners their signature is needed on any paperwork, including show entires, registrations certificates following mating etc. With someone you dont know, the chances of a fall out seem high, and they could effectively stop you showing or using him at stud.

2)Paying a premium for a show quality pup. No one can guarantee that a baby pup is show quality, however you can often guarantee that it wont be - mismarks, eye colour, wrong coat colour/texture etc, etc can be seen early (depends on breed). Breeders usually have a good idea which ones they think will have potential. Different breeders have different methods for selling show pups. We do our best to guarantee that people end up with a show quality pup - even if it is not the original one. However, this can be hard if you have bonded with the pup who does not turn out as hoped. Contingency for not making the grade needs agreeing, in wiritng , at the outset. With some br, the breeders you "pays your money and takes your chance" with others you may be offered a partial refund, a further pup at a reduced price, a replacement pup, sort it out, in writing, right at the outset.

When I bought Dexter (8 years ago now, though it seems like yesterday) we knew the breeder well, but we still had a written contract which said a portion of the purchase price would be refunded if his mouth went off, and that the breeder was due 1 free stud and then 50% off his usual stud fee, but only to bitches in his ownership.

Hope this may be of help
bye
Gwen

I ditto what Gwen says. Maybe you could mail Dizzy off the board if she is happy for you to do this. She is certainly the best person give you all or any advice you would require.

Good luck Pam

Also the financial implications of joint ownership. I own a dog jointly with 3 friends, we imported and put him through quarantine.

We keep an account into which we all pay an equal sum as and when needed. From this all his expenses are paid, the costs of his upkeep to the person he lives with, entry fees for shows, and all other costs are borne equally.

Would this person pay half his food, insurance3, vet bills, show entires etc etc????

Our joint ownership has been agreed for 6 years, after which the agrement will end, and the dog will revert to his keepers sole ownership.

Hi Hizzy,

If you definitely want to show than you definitely do not want an 8 week old puppy. Eight weeks is too young in any breed to guarantee that you will have something worthy to show.

The price sounds okay to me for an older puppy (6 months old, no younger) which is clearly going to do well in the show ring. Joint ownership is not out of the ordinary, I did this years ago with a Cairn I bought to show (and as a companion). The breeders spent days of their time with me teaching me how to groom and also were able to show my dog in the ring for me. On agreement when I bought the Cairn, however, was an end to the co-ownership after my bitch had a litter. They got first pick of the puppies -- and then that was the end of co-ownership.

If you truly want to show, then 8 weeks is too young and the pups on offer are too expensive for their age. If you decide to go ahead anyway, then you should not agree to coownership which last forever. Maybe after the breeder uses the dog at study 3 times, or after the dog is three years of age, or something in the contract which turns the dog over to you as sole owner.

Finally, I would not go into coownerhip with anyone I did not know personally or through solid references.

Regards,

Stacey

bulldogs are £1500 at the moment regardless of sex.

Hi,
To answer your questions it is an unusual colour that we want and the lady did explain to us that it was a new colour and we may not have as much success with him as an established colour..All stud dogs sold by her go on joint ownership,with the only stipulation that she can use the dog anytime she liked..I wondered why the dog had to be in joint ownership because we could sign a contract to allow so many matings if she required them..All the upkeep costs etc would be bourne by us..I didnt realise that if there is joint ownership she basically could stop us showing etc at a later time and we dont' know this lady either.It just goes to show that it pays to get other peoples opinions..

Personally I wouldn't pay a full price for a puppy in joint ownership, especially if all other costs are to be paid by yourselves. Basically you are buying a puppy and paying for it without actually owning it!

Jesse

I agree Jesse
Why pay full price (very expensive full price) for a dog that isnt even fully yours.
Would bills be split? Im guessing not...but I could be wrong.
Make sure you are happy with your decision.
steph

Hi Hizzy

For most people "unusual colour" actually means "breed fault" :(

best person for an honest opinion is Dizzy.

Chloe :)

Hizzy,

"To answer your questions it is an unusual colour that we want and the lady did explain to us that it was a new colour and we may not have as much success with him as an established colour.."

That alone would send me elsewhere for a showdog, immediately.

Stacey

Maybe, but this is not a bulldog pup in question. :-)

i didnt say it was. just stating that bulldog bitches arent more expensive than dogs. as in some other breeds.

omg 1500 for a dog hey im breeding the wrong breed:P nah im kiddin i love cockers , but wow. shesh what some ppl will pay, and i thought my cocker was exspensive at 600 :O haha

A lady in another thread says that you can pay upto £3000.00 for a Harlie Great Dane!!WOW...

your welcome to mail me at home if you like---as is anyone, !!! -if i can help i will-------from your post im guessing its a blue or a lilac, although these colours are allowed they as yet dont seem to have the construction and breed type of the more common colours [red-red/fawn-fawn] and an ocasional black/brown, if your just wanting something different well they are charging silly money for them, however if your serious about showing id forget it, until the coloureds have a bit more type etc, which hopefully is what the breeders are aiming for-not just a colour, and be aware that parti coloureds and bear coats are a fault and certainly shouldnt be bred for----or from, while some breeders are less than forthcoming about there dogs siring parti colours , others are breeding for them and telling buyers theyre rare and charging silly amounts for them.

Sorry, I would not buy a sandwhich from this 'breeder' get your self a good quality puppy from someone who know the breed and is breeding for health and type not money.

wow what a great idea....get someone to pay over the odds for something but then still own it yourself, get all the benefits of that ownership plus fully control the other person & all without any of the running costs! :(
Hizzy all I will say is go a long long way away from this breeder & stay there!!!!
Speak to Dizzy if this breed is truly what interests you.

Sorry tanni, misunderstood.

Stacey

If you want to show, don't buy an unusual colour because 90% of the time you won't get anywhere. Go to a reputable breeder and pay the going price, not over the odds for something that isn't really recognised. Good luck in your search.

I still kinda dont understand why because of the colour the dog wont go anywhere? sorry just confused . i mean why is a unusual colour worse? i know its all down to the breed standard. its not like the dogs a mongral is it?as long as
the quality is still there :|

lovelady----its not because of the colour as such----but the fact that the colour is very rare, therefore its not had the chance to form a consitently well put together dog yet,
its hard enough to get good ones of the common colours, the ringside can be excused for thinking its any variety pei classes as it is, --plus a lot of judges dont understand dilutes, as theyre not common, so even a very nice one would struggle , theyre getting somewhere in the usa with type, but over here weve not got enough to have anyone breed one good enough to compete,

no problem stacey! :) :).

ok i kind of see what your saying. i hope the day will come where the colour dosent matter as long as the dog looks good and is good quality