Say you bred two pedigree dogs and came up with a brand new colour ,
would they still let you show it ??
I wonder what would happen.

If your dog was a colour that was not listed in the breed standard yes you can show it, provided it is registered, but unless the dog was otherwise right out of the top draw you would be lucky to ever get placed. Trouble is colour is such a noticeable fault, other things like a hernia or a missing tooth you can get away with, the judge may not notice or if they do, forgive in a nice dog, but no one can over look a pink Doberman.

Some breeds are more concerned with colour, like mine have to be grey else they are not to the breed standard, but other breeds come in so many different colours that a totally new one may go with out too much comment.

EDIT: a pink Doberman would be registered as colour - non standard.

EDIT AGAIN: of course, you would know this would not happen because you would have done your research and you would know what colour your pups would be before the mating.

Just with the colour thing in mind, A top breed bred a colour that athough was in the standard was very rare, they had 2 pups both gold, brother and sister, they freely admitted that these 2 pups were not the best in the litter but kept them because of the colour, what would others have done, I would find it facinating to know

Think there are those breeds that are coat breeds and those that are not. In my breed they are all grey so the only consideration is that the coat is of the correct texture and type, but I can imagine in a breed like a Pekingese or a Yorkie the coat is considered of greater importance. A Pekingese may have the correct heavy bone and be of good quality but I would guess that without the beautifully coat it would not be considered for top awards, so it is likely that a dog with a suburb coat would out weigh the otherwise quality dogs with a poor or mediocre coat.

EDIT: have reread and I think that it may be to do with the breeds original purpose, my breed were hunting/gundogs so the coat should be waterproof - The Pek. and most of the toy breeds have been for years personal dogs of beauty, meant to adorn the owner and the owners home, a sort of animated decoration - that is not meant to be an insult, but a rather poor description of how I see their role.

Coats feature heavily in my breed (Am. Cockers) and people from time to time come up with "new" colours - in fact, these are almost always mismarks one way or another! The "Rare Pure White" turned out to be a parti colour with only the tiniest amount of colour on its tummy (they still tried to get a very big price for it) and someone posted a site on one of the boards here about Merle Americans. When it comes down to it, if it is not allowed in the breed standard then it is a fault. We have a few Yankees around at the moment who are apparently turning blue roan during the puppy coat change. They all come from 1 sire, and where on earth he picked this colouration up I cant think, as it certainly does not appear in his pedigree! Whilst Roan is an acceptable colour in the breed, and a few do show in the USA we have not had any in the UK. Unfortunately, these pups are a) registered as black, and b) dont turn blue roan all over. Also find that with "special " colours, people are getting tunnel vision and breeding for the colour alone, resulting in some very questionable animals being pruduced. Sables are acceptable in the UK (not USA) and we have a few. Unfortuantely, none of them are up to much, but they are still using them "because the colour is so good!". We do have a few decent Sable and Whites over here, all closely related, and it is worrying where they are going to go to mate these dogs.

New colours cause other problems too. I bred a Blenheim Cavalier pup with one black ear a few years ago. Neither any of the breed clubs nor the KC could advise me how to register him, no one had seen it before. And no, I didnt keep him. His KC reg (when it was eventually done) was endorsed, and he went to a lovely pet home, where he was neutered. This was the 3rd and last mating with the same dog and bitch, and the only one like this.
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Gwen

Thats just sily to not place a dog just because they never seen the colour before . hummm. so if the dog was exact same as the one they would choose to win , but a diff colour they would place the other dog, sounds crazy to me . i would have thought they would have awarded it to the other coloured dog because the effort and the quality was still there. sounds a bit racist:P:O heheeee

The thing is the judge has to judge the dog against the standard set down by the breed clubs, and that is the only way the judge should judge the dog. It matters not that the judge has a passion for a particular colour coat, if it is not in the standard for that breed; the dog is not to type. And the dog should not be placed above a dog of similar quality with the correct colour coat. What the judge thinks of the colour does not come into it, the standard sets out the parameters to which the dog will be judged, any different ideas the judge may have does or should not come into it.

Standards are subject to interpretation but there are limits, if the standard says ‘pink coats are undesirable’ there is no way a judge should place a pink dog over a black one of the same or even slightly less quality because the pink dog is not an example of the type required by the standard written by enthusiasts of the breed, who should have the breeds well being at heart. Don’t blame the judge, or the KC if you want things changed join a breed club serve your time, so you know what you are talking about, and then see if you can get the standard rewritten.

Well said, Jackie. Lovelylady, why should a different colour be assumed better? It certainly does not indicate careful breeding, more likelyl just a quirky genetic mutation (see my previous post re the Cavalier). If this hypothetical different coloured dog was of a shade not in the breed standard then it could not be shown at all, as it would be a disqualifying fault, and if it was a colour listed as "undesirable" then this is a fault so would mean it was not of equal quality to the other hypothetical dog.

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Gwen