hi y'all!

well, we are on a waiting list for a wheaten. Yey!
I have a question.
I am confused about pedigree names. DO they have to connect with the mother and fathers, or can it be totaly different? does it have to be something to do with their "pet name", or not.

And also, who chooses it. The breeder,or the owner of the puppy?

thankyou, i am quite confused. can peeps also give their pedigree dog name,s so we can get the idea of what to do? thank you!! :)

pedigree name start's with the breeder's affix, so therefore picked and registered by breeder.
pet name can be anything you want.
hope this helps. :-)

thanks- but what is the breeders "affix", and could you give me an example, thanks!

Well, our affix is "Thorsoak" - - partly after our first Aussie (Thor) and the alternative name of the area we live in. Before we could use it, we had to apply to the Kennel Club, stating that we wanted to use this as our affix, and state who we were - and - of course - pay over some dosh (can't remember now - might be £70). After about 6 weeks, we heard from the Kennel Club that our affix was being published in the Kennel Club Gazette and if there were no objections to it, we could use it!

So, we then had to re-register Thor & Loki - who then had our AFFIX at the end of their name - as a SUFFIX - so Loki became WOLFENS (her breeder's affix) Bonnie Lass at THORSOAK (our affix). Her pet name is - of course - Loki (NOrse God of Mischief - its a pity that she knows that :)).

When she had her puppies, they were registered as THORSOAK puppies - and when they joined their new homes, a couple of them became THORSOAK ......... at ................

Hope this helps you understand it a bit better.

Should add - we have to pay yet MORE dosh to the Kennel Club each year to keep the affix!

Hope that helps!

Margot

thanks. you say that you have to pey... well, if you dont want their affix, can you change it, and do you have to pay? this is all v. confusing.

No Saffy, the breeder's affix stays on, as does the rest of the registered name. If the buyer has their own affix, they can pay to have it added at the end of the pup's name.

Edited to add: The breeder registers the puppy. If the breeder has an affix, that goes first. Then they add another word/s either of the breeder's choosing or, occasionally, from a suggestion by the buyer. This final name is always part of the dog's name.

Hiya saffy,
An "affix" is the breeders chosen name, for example, one of my dogs is "Gwashleas", so her name, with the affix in front is Gwashleas Roquette.
Don't know if I've explained it too well, but hopefully someone else will give it a bash!!

When someone decides to breed they can register an "affix" with the Kennel Club. They then use this affix (or kennel name) at the beginning of the names of all the puppies they breed. So if you bred a litter and the Kennel Club said you could have Saffy as your affix, you would then name your puppies "Saffy So and So" and "Saffy Whats She Called". Using whatever names you choose, but always starting with Saffy. As the breeder you would register each puppys name with the Kennel Club and that is the dogs pedigree name. When the puppy is sold, that name remains, and cannot be changed, but the new owners then give it a pet name, which can be connected to the pedigree name or not just as they wish.

ok- so, basically, the breeder chooses everything, appart from the pets name?

their affix could be Galaxy, which all of the pups would have, and then the breeder chooses a name at random to put on the ned? is that right??

Basically, yes. The breeder may have a theme for the litter, such as the "E" litter, for instance Galaxy Edmund or Galaxy Evening Star, having already had litters A,B,C and D. Or book titles. Or films. Whatever they decide.

What they buyer calls the puppy is entirely up to them. Most people seem to forget their dog's Registered name in a few weeks anyway, because unless you show or breed, it's never used.
:)

so, what are your dogs pedigree names? and do you have to pay? (someone before told me you did)

The breeder pays for the affix when it is agreed by the Kennel Club, and then pays a yearly fee to retain that affix. Then pays for each puppy name as it is registered. The only thing a person who buys the puppy pays the Kennel Club for is to transfer the puppy to them as new owner.

Just about. Most breeders follow a theme or letter of the alphabet to make it easier to recognise mebers of the smae litter.

I use my affix and one other word, as I don't like names too long, but you are limited to 24 or 26 which includes your affix. That is why it is unwise to have a very long afix, s it leaves few letters for teh rest of the name.

My first bitch was bred by the Eskamere Kennel. so she was Eskamere Yarla (addix and name). I then added my affix, and she became Eskamere Yarla at Barbelka, all my own breedeing since have been Barbelka something, and I have gone with leters of the alpahbet, and as I am of Polish descent I use Polish words. so I also own Barbelka Amorek, Barbelka Calusek, Ch Barbelka Eliksyr, and hopefully if the kennel club accept it the new puppy will be Barbelka Iskra.

Now several other of the dogs I have bred are shown, such as Barbelka Czajka, Barbelka Dziarski, and Barbelka Forest, Barbelka Frolic at Kattandale, and Barbelka Fiscal at Vinelka.

From this you can tel that the first is litter sister to my Calusek, and the last three are from the same litter, with last two having their owners affixes added.

Hi...

As a new owner I was confused about this too... the breeder of my dog has an Affix [ the mum of my dog] - my dog was registered without the affix but with a name chosen by the breeder... in my case daddies hero... my family chose the name we would call the dog... in our case jack ;). So don't think an affixed breeder HAS to register their dogs to include the affix.

paying money to the kennel Club.... when you get the dogs papers it will show on there the owner of the dog... ie the breeder. If the breeder has signed the form ok'ing transfer of ownership you can complete the form and send it in to have the dog owner show as whoever. This would only really be neccesary if you wanted to show the dog [have to be owner to enter shows methinks] or maybe if you wanted to breed [?].

not sure if theres a cost to just change ownership... maybe can't remember but wouldn't be much.

You CAN buy extras from the KC - eg a printed super dooper pedigree chart - From memory to change ownership and get a very nice A£ pedigree chart is about £25 - all prices and services are on the KC site.

Hope that helps, and am sure any mistakes I have made will be corrected ;).

Regards Dave

There is indeed a charge for tranfer of ownership. Not sure how much, but only a few pounds. And it is certainly worth transferring the ownership into your name, because otherwise the breeder could still claim the dog was theirs if it came to a dispute.

Quite often I allow the owners of the new pups to pick a kennel name, my affix is Briarlow, so they can think of names but in total including the affix you can only have 24 letters. Usually they leave it to me as I request that they are always in Spanish:d

dave, if a breeder has an affix id wonder why she hadnt used it on each and every puppy she/he bred, -sounds odd to me,

Seems somwhat pointless to pay so much for the affix and then not to use it, unless of course the affix is in one name and the litter is bred in partnerdhip with someone else, tor vice versa then the affix couldn't be used unless the partner bought an interest in the affix (yet mor4e money to KC :D)

Hi Dizzy and Brainless...

Re the affix concerning my dog...

It's something I wondered about too, when we got the papers without an affix. The breeder has become a friend and I keep meaning to ask. They are right across the country but we talk fairly frequently, and will be meeting up again at my dogs first show when she is bringing 2 of my dogs siblings along.

The answer maybe this... she has told us that she is not going to breed anymore, so maybe the affix had already 'run out' as far as the KC were concerned, I don't know just guessing.

If I remember next time we talk will ask. As a layman I assume the taking of an affix is to have a breeders line easily recognised and promote the breeder in effect when it comes to placing pups, and kudos for line show wins?

The dog is registered to us as owners now so maybe I will take an affix ;)) let's see Daddies Hero... how about 'Big' as an affix ;). Showing my age here if there are any old wrestling fans ;).

Regards Dave

Think the way dogs are named are far more that a vanity on the part of the breeder or owner. In my breed at least, if I see the name of a hound I know who bred it, which litter, and who owns it. All very important if you see a dog you wish to use at stud, or a bitch you would like a pup from, by looking at the name you will know if that hound carries the lines, (ancestors) that would suit your lines or fit in with your plans.You will also know if you see the name, who had a big win or who has a health problem in their lines.

Must say some names seem strange but no doubt the person who invented them knows why. For me I find some difficult to pronounce and impossible to spell.

Ja:)kie at Thordell

Dogs names are interesting in they lead me to speculate about the owner's personality. In our street we have a Karma, Jade, Cobra, Kazz, Sossy ( from her pedigree name White Sorceress and we all forgot the affix so dont ask) 2 Jakes, Chico and Morse. Down the road at Cammo the names are Rupert, Jack, Ralph, Kirri, Sky, Lotty, Elvis and Colin, Bewara, Sam. Any thoughts?

what are the kc names for your dogs. My boxer is Juniper Jedi and his pets name is Nooooo, down, off and bradley.

Well, we have Purdey (because The Other Half always wanted a Purdey gun but settled for a Purdey gundog :D - even if she is scared witless at the sound of a gun :D). Her registered name is Goslings Petita (she was the runt of the litter!)

Wolfens Appollo at Thorsoak is Thor- so-called because his white blaze goes into what looks like zigzag lightening (he's a pre-Harry Potter dog ;)) - then following the Norse god theme, decided on Loki (Wolfens Bonnie Lass at Thorsoak).

The two "Piddles" - Thorsoak Venus in Blue Jeans is aka Vinnie Piddle, and her brother, Thorsoak Puddin on Da' Style is Beau Piddley!

Fortunately they are growing out of the Piddley bit now :D

If we had bred from Thor, I think we would have had to call a dog Boanerges (son of Thunder!)!

Margot.

Guilty as charged Jackie!!! Though of late I try and choose short pronounceable Polish words when naming my pups :D I did consider using Norwegian words, but thought using ones where I was sure of the maning was better. I find using the foreign words I rarely get refused my choice, unlike the one litter when I used English ones.

It may not be her affix, Dizzy, she may have bought the mother in.

isabel, that wouldnt matter, i bought caseys mother in-but the pups i bred from her have my affix on, as do any pups i breed,

Me too :) but we don't know that the breeder has her own affix in which case it would not be odd that she hasn't used one :)

hi saffy,
we have ZAK kc name ru ready for freddie
and BOSCOE kc name newents mystical mithra's
at the end of the day you can name your dog whatever you like as a pet name,i think the kc names just make it easier to regonise a dogs breeder etc,
mel:)

Barlestone Ellisa of Thordell - Elli - The Tart - Tartlet
Steldawn Saxon at Thordell - Saxy - Saxy Waxy - Sexie Saxy
Kestos so Wise at Thordell - Solomon - Solli - The Sod - Solli Sod - B*****d

my girls name was chosen by the breeder. but we picked our boys k.c name as long as it began with an A.

Well here goes.

Dilita de Ubrique at Canagua, pet name Dilita
Canagua's Llamativo Senora - Lydia
Briarlow's Carina - Carina
Briarlow's Antonio Garcia - Anton
Tierradelmar Blanquetta at Briarlow - Lana

Just think yourself lucky that you don't have to think of Spanish names all of the time.

Fernstaff Equanimity of Castlestaff - Ashleigh (staffie)
Castlestaff Billie Jean - Pepsi (staffie)
Castlestaff Viva Las Vegas - Asha (staffie)
Vesadi After Dark of Castlestaff - Tess (staffie)
Red Musketeer at Redroar - Claude (dogue de bordeaux)
Rosies Ruby at Redroar - Ella (dogue de bordeaux)
Redroar Chance de Dame - Monica (dogue de bordeaux)
Red Amour - Phoebe (dogue de bordeaux)

I have ...
Steldawn Tycoon...Asa
Kestos double O Seven(who constantly has me shaken AND stirred-little s##t)....Kasper
And Archer who was named after the kids film small soldiers since he looked like the leader of the gorgonites!!
and soon to be
Steldawn ?????(due this weekend)....probably to be known as Ziggy if the kids get their way.

Hi,
I have,

Bonnie's Angel of Lorandan - Ruby (Staffie)

Lorandan Idahoe Red - Toesy (Staffie)

Michelle.

Well, I've got just plain, simple 'Winnatts Marcus', pet name Dylan.

Sarah

Just to say....if you a buy a dog with the affix..say 'blah' so the dog was 'blah Freddy'....if you then went and registered an affix yourself. You could only register that dog as Blah Freddy 'your affix/kennel name'

so if you bred the pup yoursef, your name goes first...if you buy the pup from another breeder your name goes at the end of their name.

My affix is 'Safftash'

I have a bitch called Kimnark Demi, who I bought from another breeder, and I've added my name to her name...so she's now Kimnark Demi at Safftash.

Anyway..here are my gang!

Colleens Fancy at Safftash (toro/tiger/dopey git!)
Kimnark Demi at Safftash(/Demi/Demo/demolition!)
Kimnark Gucci (Tommy/Tom Tom)
Safftash Sanchia (Saskia, Sassy, Sasky-yo-yo)
Safftash Sirius (Sirry)
and
Safftash Sancho (Sanch, or Sh*t head!!)

Take care

Lisa

I have
Lucytia Firecracker pet name Troy (rottie)
and my last rottie was Grimlagold Billy pet name Remus