Is the corded poodle a totally different dog to the Standard poodle or is it just a Standard poodle that has had its coat corded???

Think it is different and related to the Barbet.

I believe it is the same breed, but have been known to be wrong! ;)

Well had a bit of a dig and found that is probable related to Schafpudel, whatever that is, and may be the forerunner of the poodle of today. So it would appear they are related but that the coat is not just a normal coat allowed to go wild. It is, according to the book, rare, very rare.

I had a google, and found the AKC Standard has, under "Coat" descriptions of coth curly and corded, so they are the same breed.

This other site says that, if allowed to grow, the hair will form cords.

A poodles coat will cord if allowed to. We did meet a fully corded adult at a poodle Champ Show once.....certainly different & quite attractive :-)

Must admit to using a book not the internet. Was Dr Bruce Fogle and he suggests it is a different breed because he says it is very rare. Still even doctors can be wrong, so I supose unless we get a 'real' expert we will not know for sure.

The corded Poodle is the same just that we here in England don't allow them to be shown like this. There was a write up in one of the dog papers a couple of years ago where someone had grown his dogs coats to be corded.

Of course the trim that they have now was due to the work that they used to do in the water, so it wasn't just a fashion statement. Still seems a shame that the different coats can't be shown. I have Spanish Water Dogs and unfortunately yet again the standard for showing doesn't allow them really to get their corded coats as it says that they should be clipped at least once a year. I have grown one of my dogs with a corded coat, but unlike the Puli's it seems to break off after a while. The good thing about a Spanish though is that the coat is left natural for a year, it should never, ever be brushed or combed, if there are any judges reading this please note my last statement!!! NEVER EVER BRUSHED OR COMBED!!

They would be allowed to be shown, they just would not win.

Can you let us have your sorce please as I would like to read it up. As I have different info and I like to get to the truth and you sound as if you have positive knowledge, so if you will let me know where it came from I would be grateful. Thanks.

Thanks a lot Jackie. I do keep all my papers so I know what I'll be doing for the next week or so. There's also a really good website, but again it's been a while since I last read it and it wasn't on the computer that I have now. Boy, I'm really going to have to get my brain in gear now!!

Janavons My Blue Heaven was a corded Poodle shown in the late 60's (I think). There are now several more people who have corded Poodles. Mainly Standards and I would love to have the patience to cord one of my minis or a toy.
The poodle breed standard in this country states under coat that it should be 'Very profuse and dense; of good harsh texture. All short hair close, thick and curly. It is strongly recommended that the traditional lion clip be adhered to.' so that means corded can be shown equally along with the 'curlies'. However, whether todays judges would judge 'fairly' is a different matter!

Jesse

It's a shame that some judges take this view when they judge a poodle. The corded poodle is the original poodle and looks great. There was a dog being shown in USA that finished his title and was then corded. He continued to win with this dog and turned a few heads in the process.
Not all poodles will cord! It depends on the coat. This does not mean that the dogs are different; they are the same.  It really pi$$es me off when rule are put in place and the origin of the dog ignored. I wonder how many poodles used to work and retrieve in the "Pants" trim. (This is where they leave the hair on the legs) Surely, if a dog can win with this type of trim shouldn't the original trim be allowed?
I was told not to cord my poodle as, "you will never win" was the reply to, "if I should". I thought that the main part of judging the dog was construction, movement and then coat, not the other way around.

Keith, I am now confused, had always been told that the corded Poodle was a different breed from the mini, toy and standard poodle we are used to seeing, however they wear their coat, which I know on some will cord. I also understood that although similar to the more usual poodle their conformation and coat is different to the more usual one and is now very rare although can still be found in France. Recent research had confirmed this, but it could be incorrect. At the moment it seems a matter of opinion, what do the breed clubs in Germany and France say, they should know.

So is a Corded Poodle a standard poodle who has been allowed to grow a long coat that happens to cord or is it a separate breed?

Hi Jackie, Happy New Year!
   A poodle is a poodle and with the international breeding in place I find it hard to believe that there is such a thing as 'a different poodle'. Not all poodle coats will cord. It takes a thick curly coat for this to happen and it must want to cord. This means that once the dog is washed the individual strands must hang and curl around each other. I will try and get some information on the pedigree of a corded poo in Scotland, whose pic is on the Standard Poodle Club, web site, http://www.standardpoodleclub.com/gallery/pic.asp?iCat=25&iPic=19  This will rule out any confusion on the issue and may prove that the SP can cord.
In my opinion, the corded poodle is a Standard poodle whose coat has been allowed to grow into cords. I have seen poodles from Germany and apart from the 'undocked' tail seem to be identical in construction and I don't know of a breeder that breeds corded poodles; they only advertise as poodles. The world is a big place and if you get any more info then let me know because this is good stuff.
Would love to see a corded mini, not seen one yet.
Keith :)

Sure you are correct, I had been led to believe that they were now only in France having been dropped or cross bred elsewhere. So may be if they were a separate breed they no longer exist.

They were never a separate breed Jackie, have been and always were just a poodle!

Jesse

Got to say SWD's have similar coats, as they are of course related to the Poodle.  Swimming definitely helps for the SWD to cord, another thing is not cording the coat too early.  If you do it too early it will just be like cotton wool and break up.  It's hard work but with a bit of perseverance you can do it.  They will mat at first and then you will see the cords coming from that. Also clipping them all off and then starting afresh helps.

I've only seen one corded Poodle and he was gorgeous and it was actually a pet in South Manchester.

I now have 3 Spanish with coats that are beginning to cord.  One of my friends has the most gorgeous Spanish with a wonderful short corded coat.

Sure you are right but have read some where, can't remember where now, that they were different and although the were the same to start with some were out bred to a different breed, again can't remember but think a Scheerfudel or something like that and were bred away from what we now call the Poodle that was originally used to guard livestock but who could work in water, to the corded poodle that was used almost entirely for work in water.

Now I remember this because I had always thought the show clip came about because the poodle was a water dog and the clip was because of this so may be some were clipped and others were interbred with the Scheerfudel (sp) to produce a dog that was corded and did not require to be clipped. OH, dam, suppose I will have to find time to do some research now just to try and sort my mind out, wish I'd never started this, anyone who tells you that the mind becomes less inquisitive with age is talking nonsense, if anything it gets worse as you hate to realise that yet again there is something in this world you don't know.

Wow what a beautiful dog. I have always liked the standard poodle. It has a super gait! This one looks great. :)

The dog we saw at the show was only in the last couple of years. Don't think it did very well, but I don't know if it was a good example of the breed or not either <g>