HI i need some information for a friend i have in Prague, she has a neutered american pitbull and wants to bring her into the Uk, any ideas where i can find some information on the laws surrounding american pitbulls and their importations?

Hi,

Not sure about this one , im not sure wether the importation of the dog into the UK would not be allowed , wether she is neutered or not.

APBT are now banned in the UK , Sadly that is the law.

HELEN.

Helen said it all in her last sentence "APBT are now banned in the UK" So no your friend will not be allowed to import her dog.

Alison

Dangerous Dog Act

Sorry Haze. The dog wont be allowed. The DDA is a drakonian law and is not flexible. No exceptions. She could say the dog is an ISBT and bring it in.

Mick

thats a stupid idea, bringing a banned dog in as something else,:( my dog was attacked by a dog the owner claimed to be a E.B.T, now i know what a EBT looks like, he also had a ABT, i have since found out from a guy that goes over the same field that he told him he had him bought over from Ireland, and it is a pitball this dog may be lovely with people and children but they are not dog friendly as my dog found out, and we were over the other side of the field mine was on a lead and this dog was'nt and i have seen dogs fight but nothing like this:( sorry if any one disagrees but my dog is a guarding breed, and if this dog had not had any training god knows what would have happend

Hi,

I dont disagree with you , but however dogs are not born dangerous , wether it be a APBT or a Poodle , its the idiots at the other end of the lead that make a dog dangerous.

I knew a reponsible person who owned an APBT (shes now deceased , the dog that is ) , and she was the most loyal loving animal i had ever come across , great with kids , other dogs , she was fantastic.

So sitting in as an outsider looking in , i personaly dont have a problem with the APBT , its the idiots that owned them for all the wrong reasons , that caused these dogs to be banned in the UK.

Which i think is a stupid reason to ban them in the first place.

Its like saying ( i dont want to sound offensive here ) lets ban the Rotty or the St Bernard for instance because they are big dogs and could be potentialy lethal in the wrong hands.

Helen.

Hi Helen,
I totally agree with you - I also have no experience of APBT or any other for that matter - But any dog has the potential to be very dangerous in the wrong hands!
As for this breed - it's a shame that they have all been branded as dangerous dogs - I know from reading this board, that they are just as loving and loyal as any other breed - in the RIGHT hands.
Maybe we should have a Dangerous Owners Act - they could be pts if they fail to give their dog the appropriate training. It's sad that some unscrupulous breeders don't care who their dogs go to , as long as they come up with the readies!
Sharon

but dont you agree that bringing a dog that is banned in to the country is not helping at all, if the pitbull is as agressive as any other dog, then should we not help the goverment who banned the pit bull, see its no dangerous than any other breed, i know in other countrys you have a behaviour test i thinks its save our breeds maybe we could do something like that, unfortunualty my dog has been attacked by one and sorry if i offend but i would sooner he be muzzled and on lead than attacked again:) i know other dogs are just as agreesive but it is the pit bull thats been banned( and i stiill cant belive some one said bring the pitbull in as something else(yorkie mybe)

p.s the owner of the dog that attacked mine has been reported to the police by numorus people and they say unless thay catch him with the dogs, baiting them of lead(as he does) there is nothing he they can do
but they dont patrol the area to catch him

Hi Sammie,

Years ago ( i will let you into a little secret ) one of my dogs was attacked by a Springer Spaniel (i also got bitten in the process of trying to pull the Springer Spaniel away from my dog).

The dog i owned at the time was a EBT which did not even try and fight back !!

This Springer Spaniel was always left to roam around the streets by its owners and there was a dog no more dog aggresive than this dog.

I have nothing against Springer Spaniels , but because of what happened i would never own one , my leg needed 27 stitches because of this dog , and if my dog had decided to fight back im afraid there would have been no contest , a dog is not DANGEROUS its some of the morons that own them that make them dangerous.

A Pit Bull is no more dangerous than any other dog , but its idiots who owned them that knew nothing about the breed that helped this ban , and also people owned them for all the wrong reasons that got this poor breed the reputation it has now got...it makes me so mad
HELEN.

Hi sammy.
I dont think its a stupid idea. If it was my dog I wouldnt want to leave it behind and I would bring it in. What I do think is stupid is the statement that they are not dog friendly. The APBT is (in the right hands) the most dog or any animal friendly I have ever owned. I have pics of mine sitting with my cat and rabbit. Its statements like the one you have just made that causes the hysteria. usually made by people who know nothing about the breed.
The comparison I generally make is that fast motorbikes and fast cars and mountaineering are all dangerous, but we wont ban them. The latter kills and injures more people in Scotland every year than the APBT has done in the whole of Britain.
You dont know what this dog is as you are only going by what a guy in a field told you. Lastly what is an ABT?.
Regards Mick

<<<<<this dog may be lovely with people and children but they are not dog friendly >>>>
I have come across quite a few dogs in my time that are not dog friendly and none of them have been pitbulls . Nor have they all been big dogs . :(

Lel

I found some really interesting stats on pitbull's and their owners which might be of interest on here...cant remember the numbers off the top of my head so will try and fish out the article while home today but the gist was that it wasnt the breed that was to blame, it was the type of owner that the breed can have the misfortune of attracting.

dda is a stupid law but even stupid was the breeders who gave these dogs to irrsponsible people which led to the breed going downhill.

My staffy is great with people, you couldnt ask for a more loving and affectionate dog however this is not the case with other animals. Got him at 12 months old and I dont think he was socialised properly as a pup. Because I know he could be a potential danger to other dogs he is kept under strict control ie not let off the lead when there are other dogs about, it is all down to being responsible and keeping your dog under control and giving them the correct training.

In the wrong hands any dog whether it be a small dog or big dog has the potential to be dangerous if they are in the wrong hands.

It is very unfair that Pitbulls are banned in this country because other breeds can be just as lethal in the wrong hands.

i was attacked by a gs from behind when i was four. it dragged me off a plastic chair backwards and attacked me. at the time its owner was running the training class which i was watching. i have scares on my face and shoulder from this attack and a fear of gs.
Consequently my father went out and got a female short haired gs when i was 8. Lovelly thing she was, but when i see a gs i get a tight knot in my stomach still. I have nothing against the breed just a little cautious.
Blimey ive never admitted i still have a fear of them.

Unfortunately I couldnt find the article that I read but the approximate stats were something like this;
Out of a study group of 14 pitbulls that had displayed aggression to other dogs or animals, it was found that 9 of the owners had criminal records, 11 of the owners were under the age of 21 and 4 of the dogs were showing signs of physical abuse such as cigarette burns.

The article went on to say that when pitbull ownership was banned in certain states of the US, a vet who had a significant number of pitbulls on his books noted a huge drop in their numbers along with as huge a growth in numbers of Rottweiller owners.

Im by not way suggesting that all pitbull owners are thugs and that if they cant have a pitbull then theyll have a Rottweiller but unfortunately, it seems that the breed can attract some unsavoury types and it is most likely the irresponsible ownership from these types that gets the dogs into media headlines. :(

mr murphy what if you bring in your dog and it does get found out, then maybe you poor dog will have to be PTS, very good idea, i dont think so, instead of bringing dogs in illiegaly try to do something to get the ban lifted.
we are going to have to beg to differ

Hi Sammie,

I am afraid this is a ban that will NEVER get lifted , it wouldnt matter what anyone of any importance said.

I would go for what Mick said, Hell would freeze over, if someone said i had to be parted from my dogs.

I think people should be allowed to keep these dogs , if its the breed that they most desire , but owners should be licensed for having them , and , have to go through a rigourous police check before hand.

Just for the benefit of the breed , not the people that own them.

HELEN.

Hear Hear Helen.

I'm sorry Mick and Helen but I cannot accept the advocating of breaking the law, any law! It may not be a good law but it is the law of the land. If we are going to decide which laws we are going to obey and which we are going to ignore then the word for that is anarchy.

Regards, John

I really am a bit surprised at the sugestion to bring the apbt in as an isbt, as ive been led to belive the isbt is a genuine breed,so why would somebody who knows about the breed suggest this? surley people going about with apbt saying "oh no its an isbt" will give more support to the anti isbt brigade.....Unless of course the isbt is infact an american all along. Not that personnaly i really care as my dogs a gem...except with big dogs who she quite obviously regards as a bit of a challenge!

I agree with what others were saying in respect to dogs not generally being born aggressive (there are obviously exceptions). BUT the difference between a PBT and the like and your other breeds is that IF they do attack, they are capable of so much more damage, most other dogs can be seperated easier

I agree with you, Rogue. No wonder the authorities believe that ISBT is simply another name for the APBT! Perhaps it is, after all, despite the vigorous denials from some quarters.

Exactly Rogue... I could drive you around certain areas and show you dogs on leads and off leads who are nothing but Pitbulls, nothing wrong with that, but if you talk to the owners they are all ISBT.
Apart from one young couple recently at the petrol station when I approached and tactfully said "is he Irish" they looked at me like I was an idiot and said no he's a Pit, which he was and a gorgeous example of a young @ 12 month old Pitbull terrier dog. They did not have a clue why they should not be stating he is a Pitbull to a total stranger!!!

Sorry there cannot be one owner of a ISBT that can guarantee his or her dogs are 100% pure ISBT bred and have no Pitbull in their background?
To the "hardcore" there would have been some truth in the pure Irish strain of SBT, but no one can guarantee it any more. It has been bred with SBT's, EBT's and APBT's over the last god knows how many years! What 99.9% of the people claiming to have ISBT's have now days is a dog who;s size and weight can vary from UK SBT breed standards to APBT breed standards. Make of that what you will?

Hiding one ilegal breed behind the name of another I am sorry but that is asking for trouble, and with the ISBT holding the middleground between the APBT and the SBT its probably going to muddy the waters even more. Mr Butcher we be smiling from ear to ear!

i thought no one is denying that the isbt has ebt and apbt and kc staff.thats what makes the isbt what it is.but there is now a line from isbt and ped and registrys for them to make sure its now only isbt to isbt and not isbt cross with apbt/kc staff/oldtyme staffs etc.just my thoughts.

Err yes i think so, i have an isbt,and i think i can tell she looks different from an apbt...well i think i can!
But lets be honest they are there or there abouts, dogs of this build/type and i include "normal staffies" could do anyone especially a child a hell of alot of damage (as any dog could) But by there very build/strength/tenatiousness they have to be owned with respect, and not put into the situation where anything like this can happen,even if that means they dont get off the lead so much or whatever.
A dogs a dog and any dog has the potetial to bite,how else can it respond to a frightening/threatening situation,it can hardly through a punch or shout.

My understanding of the breed is originally (and some say still?) there was a line of Staffords sent over from England (Mallen era) and that they where used for field trials etc, they where bred true to type for generations whilst the English Stafford was bred for show lines. Whilst the English became stockier, the Irish working Stafford stayed healthy, leaner and more errr, athletic?

Later on because of the popularity of the APBT in England and Irleland, people with a liking for a particular "Sport" had no interest in keeping lines pure, they where after the holy grail, gameness.
Irish Staffords had proven themselves in many instances to be "deep game" dogs so the inevitable happened, and Breeds where interbred.

Everyone knows APBT are still being bred, not illegal in Eire? Because of the close links between "dogmen" :rolleyes: they are over here in Britain also whether as purebred APBT or Stafford crossed APBT

Is there a Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier? I do not doubt there was a strain years ago. With so many of the pedigrees, including modern day, being falsified I do not think anybody can say for sure.

Do we have today a Irish dog that is recognisable by its "type"?

Size ranges relating more to the APBT but with body styles and head shapes of the earlier Irish Stafford. If that is recognised by many as a Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier then good luck.
The dogs I am seeing have more in common with APBT's. UNTIL the back street puppy peddlers stop breeding their APBT/SBTx selling them off as Irish Blues, Irish Staffs the future for all the "types" is dodgy :(

Hello John

I have many stories not relating to dogs that I can tell you of the law being wrong and affecting me quite badly. I have no respect for the law of Britain and will do what ever I think is correct and proper as the law doesnt seem able to enforce justice.
I am not into anarchy and I would love to be a law abiding person all the time but a lot of the laws are crazy and designed by crazy people. I dont vote either as there is no party for me to vote for.

Mick

Not voting does not absolve you from the laws of the land Mick. We all know there are some badly thought out laws, the DDA for one but they are here and that's fact. Campaign to change them by all means but as I said, you cannot pick and chose which laws you intend to keep. If it is your intention to ignore the law then you must be prepared to pay the price which could mean imprisonment! Laws are made for the benefit of the people in general not individuals so do you mean "To hell with everyone else"? because if you do then I have no time for you!

John

Hello John

No I dont mean to hell with everyone else. I mean that I am law abiding when the law is making sense. When its not then I do what I think is the right thing to do at the time and I will live with the consequences of that, and have done so on more than one occasion and paid the price for it. I dont break the law as a rule. I do however drive to fast/get drunk and fall about in public/smoke ilegal substances/ and I even owned a pit bull. I dont steal or tell lies though and I will do anything I can to help other people.

Regards Mick

Surely if eveyone obeyed every letter of the law, progress would never have been possible, and we would all be worse off.
Its only by people pushing the bounderies that things move forward. Millicent Fawcett with the Suffragette movement would be one?
(hopefully a non contentious example! ;))

Somehow I doubt she would have pushed the bounderies on getting drunk or going too fast :D

>>BUT the difference between a PBT and the like and your other breeds is that IF they do attack, they are capable of so much more damage, most other dogs can be seperated easier <<

How many APBT have you owned to pass a judgement like this?? I own several APBT and AmStaff, or rather am owned by them. And I think I am in the position to tell you that I rather separate two fighting BB's than any other breeds. As to the damage, I have been attacked by a yellow lab which required nearly 30 stitches. So there!

We all occasionally break the law, whether inadvertently or knowingly. But, It someone posted on an open board that they were short of time to get from the south of England to the SKC show and I posted that because their car was capable of 100mph that they should ignore the 70mph limit and do a ton all the way on the grounds that the 70mph law only came in as a fuel saving measure during a fuel crises many years ago and was therefore out of date everyone would consider me irresponsible!

Yes, I know a yellow Labrador is capable of biting; every breed ever invented can bite. That is not the point here. The point is someone going onto a public board and advising another person to break the law! THAT IS WRONG!

I will make no more posts on this thread and don’t try to convince me I'm wrong because I will not be back to read it. I have had my say and am not interested in any justifications you might try to make.

John

Ahem John, I answered to Chaliepuds posting that APBT [$ Co. cause more damage than other breeds if they attack. So that was a point here ]). As to the law breaking bit, I have no opinion either way, so count me out.

Sarah

sorry taylor with isabel but i have to agree and i can tell you i have some strong dogs and i would easily prefer to break up 2 rotties than 2 pitbulls.
im not sure why you said you think they do less damage if you said you own them.are they game bred at all?because i dont understand how 2 pits can do less damage than 2 labs.

I never said that Pits do less damage than 2 Labs??? Pits have teeth, so have other breeds. And believe me after being mauled by a Labrador, I know what I am talking about. Lock jaws are urban myth and I speak from experience that I rather break break up two fighting BB (which stands for BULL BREEDS in general not PIT BULLS in specific). And a Rottweiler is a BB too :D. So please read more carefully before you reply. Thx.

Sarah

BB can also stand for boerboels as well.when you said u would rather split 2 labs its showing that they would be less harder to split up than pits which i disagree with.why would u prefer to split up 2 labs.i dont think labs would even need break sticks!
i know that rotties are molosser the point i was trying to make was i would rather break up a fight of 2 rotties or most other bull breeds than 2 pits.
why would u prefer to break up 2 labs.at least they may consider stop fighting rather than 2 pits.
i know lock jaw is a myth but it comes from the p[itbull not wanting to release showing it would be harder to split 2 pits than most other breeds(hence the break sticks)
just my opinion

>>when you said u would rather split 2 labs its showing that they would be less harder to split up than pits which i disagree with.why would u prefer to split up 2 labs.<<

WHAT are you talking about??? I never wrote that. JESUS!

Sarah

god!my mistake must be getting confused.sorry im a dyslexic spack!-no really i am dyslexic.
must have been drunk or sumthing.
my apologies! ; )

What does 'with Isabel' mean, I have not commented on the dogs at all just a little throw away about law breaking stuff :)

sorry wrong person!

I think I'm the wrong person myself somedays :D

lol!