Do they give any money to rescue or vetenary care.

**Kennel Club Charitable Trust " co-ordinates individual donations and funds to benefit the canine world". I'm not sure if this means that they themselves actually donate monies or if they just collect!

I have often thought if the KC gave £1 from each registration of a puppy to the breed rescues for that breed (or made it available for needy causes in that breed) then our job in rescue would be made easier.The hardest part of my (voluntary) job is raising money as fast as it comes in its out on kenelling etc,Im not sure how the charitable trust works think its mainly research into illness.
I recently had an elderley man in desperate straights his wife had recently died and she had not been paying insurance so he had to pay for the funeral,anyway he wasnt a well off man and his dog needed a repair to a cruciate liagament we were able to get him help for half the money £200 anyway now the other leg needs doing.He asked me to swop him for a better dog !!!!!! even though he had him from a puppy , anyway if there was a charitable trust for that breed he could have applied for help from there.just a thought please forgive my ramblings.

Registration fees I think have gone up to £12 a puppy, or it may be £15, but I donate more than that to Rescue/Breed DNA research fund! If only there was some waqy that the people who cause most of the rescue problem had to foot the bill!! As it is the people who donate to rescue are the ones who take backand rehome their dogs, the puppy farmers forget the dogs existence the moment it is sold.

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I really do understand that show breeders aren't the main cause of overpopulation. You must admit though, there are some show breeders out there who do not breed ethically. But by and large the percentage of show breeders are breeding responsibly. My point is that pets in general are big business. There is alot of money to be made in dog food alone I would think. (Sierra, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ;) ) Therefore there isn't that much emphasis on controlling overpopulation or finding workable solutions to the problems. Does anyone know what happens to a puppy farmer that is turned into the authorities? Is there any punishment or is it a completely legitimate business that is left alone to make another days profit?

As long as they are within the law regarding the breeding standards set out in the license conditions under the Breeding and Welfare of Dogs Act 2000 (or is it 1999, but became effective from 2000), and have a license, they can legitimately run their business of producing thir comodity:(

As I have said before if the law did not allow dealing in dogs, and selling from petshops, then a large percentage of mass producers would find life difficult. Pups would have to be sold by those that bred them. They would have to have large numbers of people coming to them direct to buy puppies. If conditions were bad then at least some of these people would complain to the authorities, and they could lose their licenses. It would almost be like having additional inspectors! It wouldn't stop mass production of puppies while there is a demand, but the producer would become the retailer, and most people won't shop in grotty shops!!!

Sorry, I think I lost the plot somewhere. This is about the KC then. Do you think they should change their role then?

Their role, and that of the AKC I might sadly add, HAS changed over the years. As some have pointed out so effectively, registration is BIG money. The problem could be lessened by tightening laws currently in effect, by campaigning to government to institute laws that prohibited wholesale and dealing in dogs, by instituting a law that no person (show, field, working, backyard breeder, puppy mill, etc.) could sell more than X number of litters (based upon number of viable, producing bitches owned) and that no person could own more than X number of producing bitches without neutering those over the limit. It needs to be taken across the board and not just to the purebred community though. I know that people do not like the idea of dog wardens such as they had/have in Germany, yet these people might actually help lessen the dog population problem.

I would like to see HEAVY fines imposed on anyone who breeds in violation of laws that could be instituted to alleviate the overpopulation of dogs.

One of the problems is that people are becoming very anti-neutering and therefore accidents do happen. In the US there is a vast difference between the licensing fees for neutered and for whole dogs. I should also add that almost every community in the US requires each and every dog to have an annual license and rabies vaccine.

If the UK went to licensing dogs annually, additional dog wardens could be hired to monitor that the dogs are licensed and their salaries could be taken from the proceeds of licensing.

I'd also like to see the KC have to donate a portion of its registration fees to each individual breed club and designated solely for rescue. I believe that another portion of the registration fees should go to a medical fund wherein both genetic research and emergency funds for dogs requiring medical attention could be allocated. Just think -- if £1 for each lab registered was given to the breed club for rescue, how much that would be. And if another £1 for each registered dog went to a medical fund, what would be available. Me, I'd not mind paying an additional £1 or £2 per dog registered for this to occur.

Believe it or not, dogs are less big business here than in the US (at least on the show level). Hard to imagine, huh?

When in the states i could not believe that there are pet shops in supermarkets with pups in the window.
I am glad at least we do not have them in eg asda. its horrible

LOL.... wanna know how many of those stores I've been tossed out of for handing out cards to people with the local kennel club's number on them? Or for seeing sick puppies in the crates and demanding that they call a veterinarian in and telling them that I would wait outside until the puppy(ies) were treated while I was making my calls to the USDA, the Humane Society and the local newspapers?

There was one store in a local mall that just groaned whenever they saw me or my friend come in.

Are stray dogs a problem in u.s as i must admit i didn"t see many.
Or were they hideing from us tourist.

Stray dogs can be a problem depending upon the community. Some animal wardens are more diligent than others. Most of the city dog 'pounds' have a seven day order on holding strays and then may hold them another few days at which time they are euthanized. Some communities have humane shelters with a no-destroy policy, but those are few and far between unless it is an individual breed rescue. I will have to say that I don't notice much difference between a stray dog problem here in Wokingham and in most areas that I have lived in the US or in the UK.

I think it would be a good idea for the KC to print the name, address and telephone number of the breeder on the registration certificate, then potential purchasers could visit the breeders address and request to see Mum of the litter! (For those sold from stores etc). I'm sure that lots of 'potential purchasers' would love to visit these places..... ;)

Hi jusjokin, when one buys a KC registered puppy, the breeers name and address IS on the original registration form that the KC sends to the breeder, the breeder then gives the new owner this reg form and the new owner sends it to the KC to transfer the ownership into their own name. I cannot imagine that pet shops/dealers register a transfer of ownership before sale, and if a pup is registered and the certificate available from the pet shop, then presumably the breeders name/address will be on it. All you need to do to find out the name of a breeder is to buy the KC Breed Supplement for the correct breed group ( gundog, terrier etc) in the quarter (of year) in which they were registered, usually the same, or next quarter that they were born.

My annoyance about the Breeding of dogs Act, is that in newspaper and free paper adverts many puppy producers say "licenced breeder" as if this is a good thing, though of course there are good licenced breeders (those that register more than 4 litters a year). Puppy producers who are licensed, dupe the public into thinking that a licensed breeder is better than one who is unlicensed - like myself, who breed no more than 4 litters a year. Any licensed breeders who are reading this, please dont be offended, I am talking abut those who register dozens of litters a year and pretend they are good breeders, and give the purchaser a false sense of secuirty, simply because they are licensed breeders.

I wonder how many people breed 4 litters a year because they avoid inspections they may fail.
Ted

Hi everyone,
I was wondering if the stud dog needs to be DNA'd in the KC if he breeds a certain # of litters in a lifetime? AKC does this so that in larger kennels they will asign a liason to come out and document your dogs. If your paper work is not in order or the dogs blood sample does not match up to what is on record, than you are either suspended until further investigation or permenatly revoked. And speaking of fees that the clubs recieve for registration, they just went way up for AKC. They are now having you pay a fee for each puppy in a litter registration. Luckily, where I live we have many no-kill shelters and breed rescue efforts. In the southern US they have a horrible situation where they actually drop unwanted dogs into these little boxes where they are later picked up by the shelter. And this can actually take days, in the heat no water, food etc. They had a news special about this problem, so far I haven't heard about any changes. It is total disgusting. I'm glad we are more humane in this part of the country.