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By Quinn2
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Date 11.01.02 21:38 UTC
I know this is completely off my original post, but, I remember reading something about a study into vision developement in children. The scientists had experimented on kittens by sewing their eyelids closed at birth. I'm not sure how long they were kept closed for, but what they found was that certain signals needed to be sent to the brain at certain times in order to develop normal vision. Those that missed the "window of opportunity" remained blind after their stitches were taken out even though their eyes were perfectly normal. I wonder how many sharpei's vision has been damaged by not getting
their stitches put
in?
Quinn
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By dizzy
Date 11.01.02 22:06 UTC
if a pups eyes dont open in this breed when they should they are tacked, anyone who leaves them will be VERY aware that the pups are becoming distressed, its not something you can miss, they cry and rub there eyes and lie in a corner, i cant believe that someone left theres all that time until about 6 weeks when they considered them old enough to be sold! once the pups are tacked they are up and running,and as i said the tacks only stay in for around ten days,its horrific to think of anyone neglecting them enough to have to have them pts, but these folk are probably still breeding for cash .certainly not for the good of the breed,
By tballard
Date 11.01.02 22:15 UTC
Should breeds be developed that need this sort of intervention?
Like those breeds that can't deliver pups without a caesarian, if left to nature they would become extinct, doesn't that tell us something ??
Ted
By dizzy
Date 11.01.02 22:31 UTC
breeds are man made, this is a temporary stage, not everyone of them needs to be tacked, my first litter not one of them where tacked, second litter, same bitch all of them needed it, third litter a couple did, pigs often have to be tacked too, if ive been imformed correctly it was pig farmers that where one of the few that new what should be done, i can hear what you're saying about would they survive in the wild, and most probably wouldnt but--they are fabulous dogs to live with, very clean ,love there family are very easy to get along with, so for a temporary measure lasting a few dAys then i for one am willing to accept its a part and parcel of the breed, this is not entropian as after the eyes have been tacked they usually never have eye problems , if we discounted every breed that needed some sort of assistance would there be a lot left, where would it stop. should all humans with bad hearts be condemned, or humans with blindness in there family, and so on, theres nothing ever perfect, you have to weigh the good against the bad in any breed, alright its not ideal but it is TEMPORARY- bad hips arent- blindness isnt-osteo isnt, wobblers isnt.deafness-lamness-wry mouths-slipping pattellas -etc etc, how would all our displastic. blind and deaf breeds do in the wild, bet they wouldnt last long either-finally let me congratulate you on your chosen breed. as it must never need help from man and has no defects whatsoever-[am i right?]
By sierra
Date 11.01.02 22:48 UTC
Interesting thing that I am finding by doing the genetic predisposition research by disorder and by breed is the number that also affects mixed- or cross-breeds. Actually if a lot of people were left to what nature could provide in health care or extensive life-saving/health-saving measures were not taken on some children at birth, nature would also control human populations. I'm not saying that is a good thing, just that it is the flip side of the logic you presented. Actually, dogs, specifically purebred dogs since that is what is most presented as a case for less breed development/intervention, have somewhere around 300 genetic disorders (and many of those are predispositions versus proven inheritence) versus humans who have somewhere in the neighborhood of 3000.
By dizzy
Date 11.01.02 22:56 UTC
i felt it was a flippant statement ,that if left to the wild would they excist----no im fairly sure that if our dogs all lived wild--the rotties -pit bulls ,gsd's and the heavy's would survive very nicely thankyou, i doubt we'd ever see a pug .poodle, spaniel --and so forth or perhaps nature would give the little guys teeth like crocadiles to even things up. am i alone in this?
By sierra
Date 12.01.02 08:25 UTC
Dizzy, I'm not disagreeing with you, but disagreeing with Ted. To answer another person's query about selective breeding, the Otterhound breeders have almost eradicated Thrombasthenic Thrombopathia, a genetic blood disorder, in their breed through careful and selective breeding practices.
If the toy breeds lived wild, I'm sure that they would survive as the small animals do in the wild now. The jackal and hyena are certainly much smaller than the lion, yet they have not been eradicated (by the wild animals).
I came across an interesting
history of the Chinese Shar-pei which explained why the wrinkles were promoted: they were hunting dogs, as well as protectors and the wrinkles gave the dogs a 'Warrior's frown' to intimidate the barbarians (those other than Chinese). Later the dogs were introduced into the fight ring, where the wrinkles, especially around the throat would give the opponent less opportunity to maim. The statues of the dogs from the Han Dynasty (202 BC - AD 220) were "not quite as wrinkled as now" so I will assume that the more wrinkled dog was promoted because that is what originally attracted people to the dog. Again, though, my logic also tells me that selective breeding (as would ocur in the wild) would reduce the number of wrinkles.
Would our dogs survive in the wild? I believe the vast majority would do just fine.
By mari
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Date 11.01.02 22:57 UTC
Dizzy is right in what she is saying. If hitler had his way I guess a lot of us would be extinct as well. we choose the breed we want to live with and I really dont think it is up for debate whether it is right or wrong to breed them. I dont think a few tacks in their eyes is a reason to even go there . No breed is without their problems . and if every one took as much care as dizzy when breeding then I guess the problems would die a death mari
I know exactly what you are talking of about with this phenomenon! I was born with congenital Cataracts. My eyesight was about 10% of Normal at the time I had an Operation to replace my lenses with artificial ones. I now have 20% sight. this is what the doctors estimate was the best I might have had as a baby!
I should be able to see much better, but the brain doesn't process the info. I am constantly disbelieved when I tell people that glasses are of no help to improve my sight, they assume it is vanity on my part!!
By dizzy
Date 12.01.02 00:46 UTC
thats it then, if you belonged to tballard you'd now be castrated, how do's that grab you?
By mari
Date 12.01.02 00:50 UTC
oh dizzy chuckling :d
The vet would have a shock, as I have no dangly bits:D Well if you discount what gravity and being closer to 40 than 30 does to an fluffy gals boobs (and belly) who has nursed two babies!!!
By mari
Date 12.01.02 01:42 UTC
seriously , . speaking now:( derogatory statements made about other peoples breeds is very hurtful . especially when you are looking forward to puppies. waiting in anticipation for the arrival wondering what you are getting .it was a post in bad taste and wounded dizzy mari
By Jackie H
Date 12.01.02 06:57 UTC
Could be mistaken but to me Shar Pei do seem to be less crumpled than they did ten years ago. Have breeders deliberatly bred to acheave a dog with tighter skin? JH
By Quinn2
Date 12.01.02 09:30 UTC
Dizzy, I don't think Ted was trying to attack you personally. I think, if I read correctly, he meant to get us thinking about the extremes we sometimes breed into dogs and whether it is sometimes too much of a good thing. I'm not a vet, and I don't have any statistics, but I do know that dogs bred to extremes often have health problems directly related to those characteristics. IE breathing, mouth formation and alignment, eyes that pop out, problems with giving birth etc... If we love dogs so much, why do we continue to breed these extreme traits? Is it because ultimately it's what we the superior all knowing humans want so we have a dog that looks cosmetically attractive? Yes, I know some of the characteristics were bred for specific purposes, but again, for who's purpose? Our purpose. And the dogs health has, possibly, been compromised because of it.
Dizzy, I'm not trying to be hurtful. I hope you know me better than that by my previous posts. :) I'm just airing my opinion about any form of extremism. I'm sure there are lots of people out there who will disagree with me! :D
Now, I take it you lot are all out there breeding willy nilly like rabbits since only 1 person has directly responded to my question! ;) :D Don't you guys network through your breed clubs? I know you all gossip about what's coming up and who should or shouldn't be paired. :D And, NO, I'm not a breeder, but my sister used to show and breed in The States and she would tell me all about it. She was good too. Had a number of Am. & Can. champions. I don't think my skin is thick enough for it though.
Hi Quinn
To answer your original question. I am pretty lucky in that there are only a couple of what I would call responsible breeders in my area, including myself. We do have some puppy farmers in the area, but up to yet have not been able to eradicate them, try as we might, even the council has given them a breeders licence much to my disgust. In the two years that they have been breeding dogs they have acquired 8 breeding bitches, so methinks the market will soon be flooded.
We do not network between ourselves as to when to have litters, for two main reasons. 1) because I breed to improve on what I have got and with the intention of keeping a puppy from the litter if it is good enough. Therefore bitches seasons, showing dates and availability of stud dogs, denote when I will have a litter. and 2) because all of my puppy sales come through recommendation and not necessarily from my direct area (i.e. in the litter I have at the moment one is going to Finland, one is going to Salisbury, two are going to Suffolk, two to Norfolk and I am keeping one). What we do do is to pass enquiries for puppies between breeders in the area, as we always know who has puppies.
Daz
By dizzy
Date 12.01.02 11:55 UTC
i know what you're meaning by dogs that have been bred to excaggeration and have a job leading a normal life-breathing or because of extra back length etc,but the point im trying to get over is the problem that sometimes arises with the pups is temporary!!-they go on to lead a fit and happy life ,i know its not ideal and yes we'd love to eradicate it and are trying to breed that way, -but rome wasn't built in a day.my dogs can run ,play jump and keep up with the rest of them,but yes we do have a breif and TEMPORARY situation that needs to be helped for a few days,in return ive never ever lived with such loving ,clean amusing and affectionate dogs
we also breed away from masses of wrinkle, as an adult they should carry an amount of tight wrinkle on there heads .around the withers and a touch at the base of their tale.they really have come on in leaps and bounds now and i feel we're going in the right direction with them------MARI, im really not upset, everyone has their opinions and that was how they felt ,i can understand how people feel ,id probably be writing the same thing had i not ever owned the breed and realised that theyre worth that small inconvenience to own something that brings as much pleasure as they do, im really not a huffy person,
By Bec
Date 12.01.02 12:18 UTC
I see what you are saying (although personally I dont believe that any animal should be bred that requires this type of intervention just to be able to see) and that it is temporary but I wonder whether this may fall foul of the KC regulations about altering a dogs natural conformation, which technically it is, even if it has been done for what is considered sound reasons.
Bec
By dizzy
Date 12.01.02 13:06 UTC
it is accepted practice, and it doesn't alter their conformation at all.its explained in most of the good books about the breed,less and less pups are needing to be tacked because of selective breeding, but its still needed on occasions.
By mari
Date 12.01.02 19:08 UTC
Hi dizzy I know you are not huffy at all. maybe it was me getting annoyed I do that sometimes:d I noticed thballards posts usually end up getting a great response from all , like he has given us a bone to pick, or thrown the cat among the pigeons and then sitting quietly on the sideline happily watching us thrashing it out. just an observation mind ,not an accusation . .mari
By dizzy
Date 12.01.02 19:21 UTC
im sure tballards just been very busy with his puppys and that when he has the time he'll get back to us and tell us what breeds of dogs he has and if they have any problems too, he appears to have basset hounds which sierra has kindly written a list of defects for, and also he asks for a cart for a newfie ,anyhow we'll know for sure what he has when he gets back to us,
In our breed our long suffering Breed Club secretary keeps details of all litters available. We plan our litters to suit ourselves, but are aware that if there are several other litters likely at about that time we will have to prepare for the fact that we will probably have to wait longer to home the pups. So that means we can plan their socialisation longer care etc. A lot of us like to mate Our bitches in the Autumn at the end of the main show season. Also at that time of year it is more work rearing pups, but you also have less problems with neighbours once pups are out playing. In the winter people will be safely behind closed doors, and the daylight hours are shorter. In summer pups playing noisily, or waking at 4 am can make it very stressful worrying about this.
In my breed it isn't whether someone has pups locally, it's whether others have pups. Our annual registration for 2000 was 104 pups, that was 14 litters! Unfortunately that Kennel in Manchester has an unknown number of pups from a producer in Northern Ireland, which we only get to know about when they come through rescue.
When you are looking for an Elkhound pup you will expect to have to travel to where the pups are, you will be very lucky if the breeder is local :D In Uk I have sold pups as far a Scotland and Northern Ireland, and I live in Bristol. My furthest baby lives in Australia, and one in Poland! On the other hand though there is a relatively small number of people who have even heard of the breed, and those will tend to have researched, and therefore come through the breed club route.
We also when taking a puppy booking let the potential new owners know that if we can't sort them out with the sex they wanted, or not enough pups are born, that we will pass them on to the next breeder who may. I have seen it written on this board that people should get on several breedrs waiting lists! this could mean turning away enquiries when you infact all have bokings from the same person. we soon get to know if this happens, and it doesn't endear the potential new owners to the people whose lists they are on.
We accept when breeding that we will not know when the last of the pups will find a home, but it will eventually, as it will fit in with someone searching when there are no other pups around. I have never found anyone objecting to a puppy being older than 8 weeks, if they ask why it is still unsold, I explain that there is often feast or famine with puppy availability, which doesn't always tie in with when the right new homes become available.
In a breed that is readily available I would think it is harder to home an older puppy, as there is always a source of younger ones.
By Quinn2
Date 12.01.02 14:12 UTC
Hi Brainless,
I know I replied to someone who was looking for a Bernese Mtn. Dog to get on 2 breeder lists. I guess I should have added that they should tell the breeders about the multiple listing. :( It seemed like common sense and manners to me.
I don't really see how this would be so wrong in breeds with small numbers being registered each year. Matings don't always go according to plan or there aren't, like you said, enough of one sex to go around. There may not be anything the "pre-approved" owner may like in your litter either. Should they then have to wait another 1-2 years till you breed again? Yes, I think it's good for people to have to wait to get a pup, but I don't think they should have to be bound to only one breeder.
Quinn
As you said it is fine as long as they tell you, lol. I don't treat a booking as firm until I have a deposit after the pups are born, and the people want to commit! I do this as I found with my first litter that for 3 puppies I had for sale 3 people let me down over two of them! I had in the meantime passed on all my enquiries to other breeders.
I do however allocate the order of choice according to who contacted me first, unless I get someone who really wants to show, then I would want them to have the best from a show standpoint. I have unfortunately found though that those who expressed a wish to show don't, and those who definately only want a pet, go on to get bitten by the show bug :D
By sierra
Date 12.01.02 15:14 UTC
Quinn, I am working my way through a genetic/predisposition disorder spreadsheet for about 178 breeds. Interestingly, there are more genetic problems in many of the breeds that are not dome-headed, flat-faced, wrinkled, short legs, etc. than in some of the breeds that one associates normally with 'breeding dogs with problems for cosmetic purposes' (like the bulldog, the shar-pei, the boston terrier -- all breeds that have been mentioned at one time or another in association with the query 'would they be able to live in the wild'). Please feel free to email me if you want to look at the chart; it's not finished yet, but is significantly complete enough to open my eyes wide (and I thought that I was pretty well-versed in various disorders associated with most of the breeds).
Yes, I know some of the characteristics were bred for specific purposes, but again, for who's purpose? Our purpose. And the dogs health has, possibly, been compromised because of it. The "whose purpose" can easily be answered by those who developed the breed to fulfill a very specific function. In the case of the shar-pei, the very specific purpose was for hunting boar and, through the aid of that furrowed "Warrior's frown" of wrinkles across his forehead, protecting the peasant's homestead from "barbarians"; later, the dog was used for dog fighting. All of these purposes led to the development of deep wrinkles in order to produce a more effective dog. Now you and I may not like what the dog was bred for, but in understanding its purpose, hopefully we can better appreciate why humans continue to support and promote the breed. (Just as an aside, I happen to like Shar-peis and have shown a number of them in the US.)
Me, I hate snakes, all snakes, any snakes. To me they serve no purpose that we couldn't handle with other animals or methods and I would advocate destroying every snake on earth. But what about all those people who would villify me and tell me that this or that particular snake is to them very useful and beautiful? Just because I don't like or appreciate snakes doesn't mean that people should quit keeping snakes. (By the way, I feel the same way about bugs and spiders too! even the ones I know are beneficial for my garden.)
Now, I take it you lot are all out there breeding willy nilly like rabbits since only 1 person has directly responded to my question! Anytime you want my articles on breeding, I'll be happy to forward them along. I didn't answer the question because I don't believe that a breeder really networks to plan litters according to what will sell, but rather should be breeding solely with the intent to maintain and improve the breed.
If your question is do I or did I "network" in order to decide who should be bred to whom? Not really, since far too many breeders are not honest enough with other breeders (mainly because of the 'gossip circle') about faults or problems within their lines. Most of my networking came from discussions with other handlers who were well aware of problems within their client dogs. When I found a pedigree I did like that I thought would match one of my bitches, I would query the stud owner with very specific questions about problems; i.e., I would not ask "Do you have any problems in your line?" instead I would ask "Do you or have you had any incidence of epilepsy (and then proceed to vWD, hips, sexual reversal, etc.)?" until I had gone through my list. I also would ask about dogs that had been exrayed from their lines, but not OFA registered. I am very distrustful of breeders that I do not have a solid working relationship with.
I did, by the way, take great umbrage with the implication that because I had not seen fit to answer your question I was automatically assumed to be an irresponsible, unethical breeder.
By dizzy
Date 12.01.02 15:51 UTC
ita a viscious circle, ive been called by the doyenes! of the breed for being too honest, its a sad fact that a lot of folk wouldnt tell anyone any of their faults as others will condem their stock ,yet unless you know what lines carry which faults you could be doubling up by using certain dogs on your bitches, i do understand that someone owning a stud dog is worried about admitting that his dog sired a certain thing but if you're in it for the breed and not for personel gain you have to be straight,i did excactly that when i decided not to carry on and breed from my crufts bob's daughter, i felt the line didnt have a sound temperament ,and although the daughter was stunning, and id been offered silly money for her i pet homed her on a spey contract, this i felt was best all around, the bitch i have due pups is as sound as a bell, loves everyone and her pups likewise,look whats just kicked off when i mentioned eye tacking, its no suprise that some folk wont tell anyone anything, however i dont see that as the way forward and think its best to be honest about the good and bad in EVERY BREED
By sierra
Date 12.01.02 16:15 UTC
Absolutely!!! **hugging her and thinking about the puppy purchased for BIG money out of a well-known GSP kennel in the 70's which turned out to be epileptic like his father who supposedly died under other circumstances** I just emailed one of the research sources I was using for the genetic disorder chart to inquire why GSPs are not listed as at least being predisposed to epilepsy since I am aware of a number of them myself. I was surprised to see that 'sexual reversal' disorder was indicated as being seen in GSPs, since I also know of a major US kennel that has produced hermaphrodites but would deny it if asked by their Supreme Being. How did *I* find out? **grinning** by talking to other handlers, of course!
By dizzy
Date 12.01.02 16:21 UTC
i dont want to appear as though im on a mission ,but looking through some old posts on a few sites it seems tballard has bassets, dont know if im wrong here but i thought they suffered from ectropian ,also back and spine problems, sierra tell me what you know about bassets please,
By sierra
Date 12.01.02 17:42 UTC
**chuckling as she pulls up that huge genetic disorder chart she's been researching**
Sure, here goes for Bassets:
1. Basset Hound Thrombopathia - Widespread (Blood Disorder)
2. Entropia (Eyes)
3. Ectropia (Eyes)
4. Exposure Keratopathy Syndrome - Breed carefully because of Macroblepharon (Exceptionally large eyelid opening) trait
5. Glaucoma - Open Angle
6. Glaucoma - Narrow/Closed Angle
7. Glaucoma - Goniodysgenesis
8. Congenital Hypotrichosis
9. Black Hair Follicular Dysplasia
10. Malassezia Dermatitis/otis - Higher risk than many other breeds
11. Seborrhea - Commonly affected
12. Globoid Cell Leukodystrophy (Rare Condition) - reported sporadically (but more than many other breeds)
13. Severe Combined Immunodeficiency
14. Disorders of Sexual Development (Sexual Reversal) (Uncommon disorder) - Affected (Hermaphrodites)
I haven't gotten to muscle/skeletal disorders yet. However, Dr. Bonnie Wilcox in her book "Successful Dog Breeding" (and I know Bonnie personally -- excellent breeder and vet) gives these additional disorders:
Achondroplasia: dwarfism, or abnormally shortened and bent leg bones. Duh!
Cervical Vertebral Instability: Other names include CVI, wobbler syndrome, and spondylomyelopathy. Unstable vertebrae in lower neck; weakness and ataxia; may lead to paralysis; in basset hounds, usually at C2-C3.
Dermoid: Other names include corneal dermoid cyst. Congenital cyst on cornea; contains skin, glands, and hair.
Enostosis: Also known as juvenile osteomyelitis, panostitis, or "pano." Acute, shifting lameness of large, growing dogs; deep bone pain, self-limiting.
Entropian: "diamond eye." Eyelids roll in; hair rubs on cornea; effects are irritation, tearing and visual loss from scarring.
Epilepsy: recurrent seizures with onset at 1 to 3 years; some epilepsy is not hereditary.
Gastric Torsion: Also known as GDV, bloat, torsion, and twisted stomach. The stomach rotates on long axis, causing shock and death. Deep-chested breeds such as the basset are more susceptible to it than are other dogs.
Primary Glaucoma: Increased fluid pressure in globe leads to pain, eye destruction, and blindness. Autosomal recessive.
Lens Luxation: lens slips out of position, leading to secondary glaucoma. Autosomal recessive.
Osteochondritis Dessicans: Otherwise known as OCD. Growth disorder of joints; cartilage death, pain, and lameness; may occur in many joints. Polygenic inheritance plus nutritional factors.
Patellar Luxation: Poor structures that hold the kneecap in place, one or both; starts at four to six months; usually lateral in basset hounds. Polygenic inheritance pattern.
Retinal Atrophy, Generalized Progressive: Commonly known as general PRA. Retina degenerates; first night blindness, then total blindness before middle age. Uncommon in basset hounds, but a few cases have been reported.
Thrombopathia: Bleeding disorder in which platelets lack proper function. Autosomnal dominant, incomplete expression.
Ununited Anconeal Process: Elbow dysplasia. Growth plate in elbow doesn't fuse; secondary degenerative joint disease; pain and limp; surgical correction required.
Von Willebrand's Disease: Also known as pseudohemophilia. Bleeding syndrome with several abnormal factors. Autosomnal dominant, variable expression.
Celeste A. Clements, DVM, Diplomate ACVIM in her article on VetCentric's site also notes that the breed is prone to ear problems, also noting that 'the ears make the dog', and have to have conscientious care. The deep-chest bred into the basset also makes it prone to gastric dilatation and volvulus (bloat). Dwarfism has also been noted in the breed.
That help you? **winking**
By dizzy
Date 12.01.02 17:50 UTC
well bugger my-i hadnt realised how sound sharpei really where, that is unbelievable, ive also seen an add where tballard asks for a cart for a newfie-do you want to go there????oh go on!
By sierra
Date 12.01.02 17:54 UTC
**chuckling** sure, I can give you the various disorders noted for most breeds. Want those for Newfs posted or emailed?
By sierra
Date 12.01.02 18:21 UTC
Regarding the bassets, "George Padgett, D.V.M., a well-respected canine geneticist lists 67 of them (genetic disorders) in his new book, Control of Canine Genetic Disease. Some of these are seen rarely, others are seen more frequently. The more common problems include hypothyroidism, intervertebral disk disease, glaucoma, bloat, von Willebrand's disease, and hereditary thrombopathia."
I've ordered the book.
By dizzy
Date 12.01.02 18:59 UTC
id like you to put the newfies details on the board if you dont mind ,then we can all se them as you could when i put mine up, i cant believe someone who owned a breed that has as many problems as that wouldnt rather have a temporary tack for a week or so that has no lasting effect and that the dog will then go on to lead a fit and normal life as against one who might not need any help in the beggining but could land up with many a problem , my veiw entirely
By sierra
Date 12.01.02 22:56 UTC
The list for Newfoundlands includes:
1. Aortic Stenosis
2. Juvenille Cataracts
3. Ectropion
4. Entropion - Common
5. Exposure Keratopathy Syndrome - Breed carefully because of Macroblepharon (exceptionallly large eyelid opening) trait
6. Third Eyelid (Nicitating Membrane) Abnormalities ("Cherry Eye") - Eversion of the Cartilage of the Third Eyelid
7. Pemphigus Foliaceus
8. Vitiligo
9. Urolithiasis (cystine)
10. Osteochondritis Dissecans (OCD)
The Newfoundland Dog Health Resource Center listed these disorders in addition to those already researched:
11. Addison's Disease
12. Gastric Dilation Torsion Complex (Bloat)
13. Ruptured Anterior Cruciate Ligament (ACL)
14. Canine Hip Dysplasia
15. Cystinuria (recently identified problem)
16. Epilepsy
17. Glomerulophy (renal disease) - Juvenille Renal Disease (JRD)
18. Hypothyroidism
19. Lymphosarcoma
R. R. Holster Jr. also notes that there are increased temperament problems in Newfs (ill-tempered).
20. Achondrodyplasia (dwarfism) has been virtually eliminated through careful breeding, but occasionally crops up
The Newfoundland Club of UK goes on to note:
21. Primary Ciliary Dyskinesia (PCD)
From the OFA database I retrieved the following statistics:
22. Elbow Dysplasia - 27.9%
23. Patellar Luxation - 0.6%
24. Hip Dysplasia - 26.8% (Ranked 15th of all top dysplastic breeds; Basset was ranked at 13th)
LOL... I'm getting good at this research stuff! **winking at Dizzy**
By dizzy
Date 12.01.02 23:06 UTC
you are very good at finding whats needing to be found!!thanks again, i like my pei better by the minute!, oh by the way about the bit that you thought the little guys would survive against the big etc as coyotes have and such---the big problem id see was a female in season, you tell a frenchie that the female twitching her tail infront of him is more likley to be going home with the rottie, he wouldn't believe it, dogs would try and interbreed and would come together wherever a bitch was in season, and i cant see many of the small folk winning the ladys hand
By JaneS (Moderator)
Date 12.01.02 17:31 UTC
Now, I take it you lot are all out there breeding willy nilly like rabbits since only 1 person has directly responded to my question!
Ok I'll answer your question too :-) No I don't network in the way you mean either - to me, it's not relevant what other breeders may or may not be doing. We have a numerically popular breed (Cockers) where puppies are always available from one source or another (some more reputable than others) so if we waited for there to be no other local litters in the pipeline, we would never breed at all :-) We don't breed to sell - we breed to try to improve on our existing dogs with the intention of always keeping at least one puppy. Of course, there may be a few puppies available to suitable homes when we have a litter, but it is quite unusual for one of our puppies to go to a home locally (we never advertise in the local press) so it's pretty irrelevant whether there are other litters in our area at the same time.
Cocker breeders do network in another way - if someone rings one breeder, if they don't have a litter then they generally will give the enquirer the numbers of other breeders who do have puppies (I'm talking about serious breeders here not the commercial kind who always have puppies anyway!)
Jane
By dizzy
Date 12.01.02 11:40 UTC
sorry-i cant think why i keep thinking you're male-just everytime i see your board name it makes me think of a male-cant think why!!JOKE
Well my voice has gotten quite deep over the last few years!!! :D Yes I tend to think of my handle as as masculine trait (she says as she ducks behind the computer table) :D :D :D
By thistle
Date 12.01.02 09:52 UTC
Quinn 2
I think the research you're thinking of was done on monkeys by Colin Blakemore at Oxford University , but the rest of your info is absolutely correct.
Jane
By Quinn2
Date 12.01.02 10:15 UTC
Jane,
It might also have been done on monkeys, but it was definately done on kittens too. I'm sure there was more than one lab that was doing research at the time. :) Thinking back, it was a U.S. news magazine publication, either Time or Newsweek, that did a whole issue on learning and childhood developement. It covered many different area including language, motorskills and, I think, problem solving. It also gave references to when these "windows of opportunity" were for specific neural pathways, etc... Very interesting reading! :)
Quinn
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