hi
why is it that dog people can be so funny sometimes. not funny as in a laugh but can be very off with you. especially when it comes to breeding. every post i have seen on this board that are involving first time breeders or people wanting to use there dog at stud can get really bad replies which don't really help they just try and put them off altogether! this board would be hundreds times better if you actually anwsered peoples questions instead of asking whether they show their dogs and if they have had all the health checks. can you not see these people must be genuine because they are looking for advice and not just going ahead with things without any knowledge. to be honest the replies can be very borring because they all say the same thing ''keep him as he is'' ''keep him as a pet'' ''have you had all the health checks'' ''its expensive'' you must show'' i could go on. would it not be better to have a section on this site for new people to read instead of endlessly repeatig it all on this board. most people want straight foward anwsers, not ones which sway away from the subject. ican understand if this post gets deleted but i would appreciate it if admin could leave it on for everyone to take into account
thanks

Guest, what would you have people do give advice they dont belive just to please you. If we suggest that people do research and have their dogs health checked and assessed by people who know what they are looking at, it may just be because we think that is the best answer to give.

If you feel you can offer better, or even some, advice why do you not join the board and do so.

Jackie could not have been better said..

Pam

There are MORE than enough unwanted dogs in this country, without encouraging people, on a whim, to breed. The reason that people offer this advice is that they are encouraging would-be-breeders to do the right thing, and help produce good specimens of their breed.

Its not much fun for the people on here, giving out the same advice day-in-day-out...but it really is common sense... if you are going to breed, then do it right in the first place - not just on a whim "cos i've got a nice puppy and the neighbour said once they would like one just the same" :rolleyes:

The genuine ones will follow the advice, and produce good puppies.

Hi Chloe

I think it's yet another Troll :(

liberty

Well it would have to be wouldn't it, trouble is others can read what these people say and think they know what they are talking about. Mind you prehaps they do and the rest of us are wrong to care about the future of dogdem.

Guest, instead of posting anonymously why not register. Then you can offer your own advice :-)

Probably because of the story, and others like it, on the general page under Why are people so thick????

Sorry Hadley, may be I am being thick but can't see the conection between this thread and the one on feeding puppies. Can you explain.

I think Hadley is saying that it could well be down to a breeder not doing their research that they have (allegedly!) tried to raise a litter of staffs on scrambled egg alone....

Oh right, I was being thick.

Hi Guest (if you aren't a troll!)

All of us on Champdogs who do breed our dogs have started somewhere. Some of us have grown up/grown old with dogs around us all the time. Others have had very little experience prior to owning their first bitch. It is so easy to think - oh yes, I have a nice little bitch - let's have a litter of puppies - it will be an experience for the children, it's nice to think of her being a mummy, it will be nice to keep one of her puppies. The truth is - it can be hard as well as rewarding.

In my experience, people who want to do things properly do listen to the advice given here - is your girl an outstanding example - how can you tell? By comparing her with others of her breed in the show ring/field trials etc. The health checks are essential to ensure that the puppies you produce will be as sound as possible. Many people, who have bought a lovely puppy from someone down the road, don't appreciate that these tests are necessary, until it is pointed out to them - their girl MAY be good - but until she has had the necessary tests for the breed - how can you be sure? The same obviously, applies to the lovely dog that you want to use at stud!

Being a dog owner entails responsibility - you are responsible for cleaning up after your dog when you walk it etc etc - and if you do decide to have puppies, you are responsible for the health of your pregnant bitch, to ensure that her diet is right, etc etc - and so for that reason it is recommended that prospective breeders read, read read READ!! By so doing, you yourself can weigh up whether you can go through with it. A dog having puppies is not las simple as a cat having kittens in the cupboard, but it does seem as if a lot of people think that it is.

The responsibility doesn't just stop there. Once you have (hopefully) a healthy litter of puppies, you have to be prepared for the work entailed in ensuring that they thrive, and that eventually, they go to homes with responsible owners, who will take care of them. And you, jointly of course, with the owner of the stud dog, have the moral - if not legal- responsibility for those puppies throughout their lives. After all, if it wasn't for you, they wouldn't be here! Yes, people are prepared to pay good money for puppies, but as you will see, if you read through this Board, not everyone gets a healthy puppy - often through ignorance as well as neglect and greed.

Champdoggers have busy lives - our dogs, our families, work and of course Champdogs! So we sometimes are brusque with our replies - because as sure as puppies pee, the same questions are asked, time after time, after time. And we answer them! And we don't want to discourage everyone from breeding - just from breeding badly! As I said, we have all started at sometime.

A long post - hope I haven't wasted it on a troll!

Margot

Well said Margot, I don't think your answer will be wasted on a troll, if beginners asking the various "breeding" questions actually look at what you have written it might point them in the right direction without anyone who is new to this board getting uptight or offended at replies they don't want to hear.
Clair
xxx

Read Margot's post, guest (or troll/flamer/wind-up merchant).

Good advice remains good advice however many times it has to be repeated. There is always a right way and a wrong way of doing things. The right way is always best. And is usually the most difficult. That's life.

Why don't you register and discuss this with us sensibly?

Sounds remarkably like guest1 on the New to all this post.
Dawn R.

We give the replies we do because we love dogs, and don't want to see any more in rescue homes.

As for breeding, there are so many people who have NO idea of the hard work you have to put in looking after the bitch and pups. Or, how being used for stud, even just once can change a males temperament.

Just a few things to consider, when thinking of breeding.....Making sure the bitch is in top condition, and keeping her that way...hard work. Having her health tested. Finding and paying for the best stud dog you can possible afford, and one that is a good match for the bitch. Keeping the bitch healthy throughout her pregnancy. Organising a whelping room. Staying with the bitch whilst she's whelping. Phoning the vet if necessary (EXPENSIVE) Staying up with the bitch and pups at night (Exhausting) Weighing pups every day...to ensure they're all putting on weight. Making sure smaller pups are getting enough milk and not been pushed out.
Then when the pups are being weaned...one heck of a task in itself, there is all the cleaning...and I mean ALL....it's never endng.
Also, there's registering pups, sorting out pedigrees, contracts, receipts, puppy packs etc.
Then...vetting new owners, to make sure the pups are going to have a good life.

These are just a FEW of the things to consider when thinking of breeding. It takes a lot of commitment...a lot of time, and a lot of money.

We say the things we do, to try and stop people breeding without thinking it through properly....as has already been said, there are way too many dogs in rescue homes all over this country, and the rest of the world...it is heartbreaking....we don't need any more.

It would be good if we had a page here at champdogs that prospective breeders could read, to find out all the bad parts of breeding, as well as the good parts.

Lisa