Just curious as they have a litter for sale in Our Dogs.

Peanuts

If you click on GOOGLE and type the word in you will find out ;)

http://www.utonagan.co.uk/
Stunning dogs!!!!

Annette

ohh are they recognised by the kennel club. They're gorgeous

No they aren't

In an advert I saw recently they are described as a man made variety of dog, bred to resemble the wolf as closely as possible. Puppies looked very cute...but then don't most :)

Grace

think they were previously northern inuits....been a bit of trouble over them though! :(

A bit??? ;) :D

Hear, Hear.................

What a shame, though,to spoil such beautiful dogs by crossing them in this way, can't see why you would need to cross Sibes, Mals & GSD's???????

Maybe I am just missing something. Give me Sibes any day they are so much more beautiful and you can't beat em for temperament.

Oh, maybe it's just they are so good you don't have to be so careful with vetting procedures for new homes????????? and you can also charge ridiculous amounts of dosh for them???

I just find the breed standard odd ..the range permitted (in colour , height , length etc etc) is enormous!

GSD's , Mals and Sibes are excellent as they are , no need to mix IMHO

:)

They do indeed vet prospective homes. Very thoroughly i might add!
Whilst i agree that Sibes are indeed beautiful dogs, the Utonagan can be let offlead, which is a big plus point for me! They can also usually be trusted with livestock and non canine pets..

Annette

When I first read the topic heading, I though it said "What's an Orangutan"?!!! :D

Me too! ;)
Was expecting a large orange monkey...

The Utonagan and the Northern Inuit Dog are now seperate - i spoke to the breed secretary for the Utonagan Society and apparently there was some big hullaballoo over paperwork [or lack of it].
They're not a recognised breed - YET!! i've met three however, and they're really REALLY nice dogs, wonderful temperaments. i hope to have one one day!!

Annette

Theres some advertised in the local free advertiser....for £500!!!At the end of the day its just a mongrel..not even a cross breed.Can't beleive people pay that sort of money.They're 'marketed' very well though,If you aren't very clued up you would think they were a recognised,registered breed
Archer

Well I cannot for the life of me see why people would want to purposely crossbreed dogs just to look like a Wolf! Making pets look like a wild animal, I ask you! A money making mission I think. Sad.
Dawn.

There you go, advertising in a free local paper, just shows what sort of people are breeding them, can't be paying much thought to where they will be going.
Dawn.

I must admit I often feel a bit peeved at people assuming advertising in the local papers is wrong or somehow uncaring.

I have advertised in the local paper at times, when I have had any pups not booked. I usually advertise in the monthly canine press, canine sites etc, and my name is with our breed club secs puppy list.

It is up to the breeder to vet the homes no matter where the enquirer found their details.

As a complete novice i put in an advert for my first litter, as I had passed up enquiries for the two pups I had to sell, only to find the interested parties had been time wasters. The enquiriers from my advert were in some cases quite awful.

The next time I advertised I stressed that pups were available only to suitable homes, stressed that they were from hip scored and eye tested parents, of excellent show winning bloodlines and gave the price. With this approach I had a much better calibre of enquiry. I have sold 4 puppies in the catchment area of my local paper, and all have been excelent homes, dogs now between 4 and 7 years.

On the other hand I have had puppies back from people who had made an awful lot of effort to source pups, coming through the breed club, specialist canine press.

I do think that the advertising editors of local papers must be educated as to what is considered reputable breeding, and that they highlight those advertisers that are commercial.

I don't understand the point of this 'breed', as there are already two recognised wolf lookalike breeds. There is the Saarloos Wolf Dog and the Czech Wolf dog (or maybe these two are the same and i HAVE FORGOTTEN THE NAME OF THE OTHER). anyway one was crated in Holland and the other in the Czech republic.

Many of these dogs pictured on the Utonagan site seem to be patterns and colours not seen in Wolves. From nature programs I have seen Grey and Grey brown and Black wolvbes, but not pieds etc.

T%he two FCI recognised breeds really do look like the European Wolf.

That's because both the czech wolfdog and the sarloos wolfhund have wolf in their ancestry. The czech wolfdog breed began with a GSD/carpathian wolf [i think] in 1955. And the Sarloos a timber wolf/GSD. Neither of them [obviously] have the same kind of temperament as the Utonagan, which is friendly, very intelligent and rather placid!
All breeds were "just a mongrel" once you know... Just look at the Dobermann!!
The point of this breed is to create a beautiful, lovely natured dog!!

Annette

They are very beautiful animals, but me myself I would stick with the Saarloos Wolfhound or the Czech Wolfdog. Plus I already have a hybrid which Iam very fortunate that he is so well behaved. Like I said I'm very lucky on how he turned out and I would never get another one because they could be so unpridictable, u never know how much is wolf or dog and what instincts will come out. I prefer to see them as a true wolf in the wild running free and not captive. Even the Saarloos and Czech are unpredictable and not for the first time dog owner.

Now I wonder how many people are just going to go out and make their own crosses with the Mal, Sibe, and GMS and hope to turn a fast buck? I guess by crossing breeds these breeds will make a new purebred, since that is how purebred were made in the first place until they are reconised as pure. All purebreds were once mongrils/mutts/hienz 57 at a time until they got the papers put behind them and they all come looking out the same :)

Czech Wolfdog: 1955 crossbreeding between the German shepherd and the Carpathian Timber Wolf. It recieved recognition in 1982 44-77lbs

Saarlooa Wolfhound: crossing with the german shepherd and the Canadian Timber wolf Recognized in 1975. this one is easier trained then the other. 79-90lbs The canadian timber wolf is not as much of a loner as the Carpathian timber wolf this being one reason for easier training.

Both can be pretty shy and leary of starngers and need a firm handling and not for the first time owners. both are very beautiful dogs (guess they are more or less a hybrid to).

ttfn :)

Up until the pet passport you could not get a CzW or SW in the UK as breeders would not allow the dogs to suffer the stress of quarantine here in the UK.
I have Northern Inuit dogs and can say in all honesty how well they are with other animal and children!
Just spent the day walking round a very large carboot sale in Stretford today with Logan (2yr old male) who had children and many elderly people hugging and stroking him and being barked at by yappy little dogs, to which he completely ignored! He didn't however, like my mother in law going more than a couple of foot away from him with my 19 month old daughter as he likes to keep her in sight.
The major advantage with the breed is the fact that they DO make wonderfully family companions.
Yes, the Northern Inuit is still going strong as a breed and the Society does everything it can with regards to rescue and advice.