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Topic Dog Boards / Behaviour / Wits end!!!!!
- By hopefull [gb] Date 23.06.03 22:14 UTC
I am becoming so frustrated with my seven month pup. She still wees EVERY night, on paper. I have tried takeing up the paper to see if was encoraging her, but she still wee'd on the floor.
I know about cleaning with products that smell like urine etc etc.

When i take her out to wee last thing at night she REFUSES to go She has a command but ignores it (only on a night)
She still gets lots of praise when she goes any other time. Becuase she is not going before she goes to bed she Wee's every night.
She is seven months old and it is getting very frustrating, approx three months ago she would run outside and wee every night when commanded to do so, and all of a sudden it stopped. The only thing that has changed is she is out of her crate now.
Did she used to pee because she knew she was going in her crate, and now becuase she knows she isn't she thinks she doesn't need to do it outside?

has anybody got any ideas/thoughts please?
- By Lara Date 23.06.03 22:30 UTC
Regressions are normal in training pups.
You need to take a step back to be able to bring her forward again. You must have stopped using the crate too early and now you need to start using it again to get back to where you were before.
She may have not wanted to soil her crate so emptied herself before she was put in for the night. When you stopped using the crate then she didn't have to do that because she could go through the night on the floor when she wanted to. She won't see only outside as the toilet - it's the floor too. If you prevent her access to the floor at night and she doesn't want to pee in her crate then she should stay dry.
Lara x
- By Jeangenie [gb] Date 24.06.03 06:59 UTC
One of mine sometimes doesn't want to have a last-thing wee, and if I let her go to bed she wakes me in the small hours wanting to go out. What I have to do is put her on her lead and walk her round and round the garden (in the rain, whatever!) until she obliges. Sometimes it has taken 20 minutes, and I'm desperately trying not to let my fury go down the lead to her, but I always win.
It's worth a try.
:)
- By hopefull [gb] Date 24.06.03 08:10 UTC
thank you for your comments.

Jean, i have tried walking around the garden for upto 1hr sometimes and still nothing.........
It is really difficult not to show how angry i am becoming

I think the crate idea needs to be tried again.....it just seems so cruel when she has been out of it for a while.
- By lel [gb] Date 24.06.03 08:48 UTC
Does she only wee inside at night time or does she occasionally go during the day ?
It is important not to let your frustration show through though . How do you react when you see she has wet ? Do you tell her off ? Uless she is told off when you actually see her doing it , it will not sink in why she is being scolded ?
It will be harder if she is only doing this at night though because its easier if you actually catch her . Then you can pick her up , tell her no and then praise and treat if she goes outside .
Luckily I havent had this problem so cannot offer much advice.
Does she always wee in the same spot ? If so , maybe the cleaning aids arent completely masking the urine smell and you should think of changig to another brand ?
- By Dill [gb] Date 24.06.03 09:19 UTC
How about keeping the last wee'd on paper and putting it in the garden when you want her to go at night (dog show people often do this at shows) and putting her back in the crate, that way there's a cue in the garden for her when you want her to go :)
- By turtle [gb] Date 24.06.03 14:02 UTC
Unfortunately the general rule of not peeing in the sleeping area doesn't always apply as mine will sometimes pee in his basket (basket and blanket are fleece so it's not as if he gets damp...)

I always take him out for a bedtime walk, a walk that is different to those at other times of the day so he KNOWS that that's it; after this he's in for the night. This takes about 20 minutes but it needn't be so long - when we're staying elsewhere I will pick out (eg) a lamp-post in the village, and walk there and back. This means he knows what the score is, and any accidents are few and far between - and are usually attributable to his being daft and drinking both his water bowls dry the minute he gets back in :rolleyes:
- By hopefull [gb] Date 24.06.03 15:43 UTC
She has a dog flap through the day so i have very few accidients through the day. However, if i go out at night and the flap is closed, she often wees then also.

I never react to the puddle and she never sees me clean it up, i always send them into the garden as soon as i get in/up
- By Carla Date 24.06.03 14:22 UTC
I have to say that some of the terminology you use in your post worries me slightly - she's still a puppy, and as such, will have mistakes and not go "on command". Has anything frightened her outside in the garden last thing? Has she had any other changes to her routine that make her not want to go out? Assuming she is ok, then you need to find a way to make her go out at night before she comes in, but at 7 months I would still be expecting problems occasionally :)

Go back to the crate - get a bigger one if you feel she's too contained maybe? I don't know enough about house training with crates because I have never used one for that - but I am having a similar problem with my dane who, at 9 months, has taken to weeing in the dining room if he can't wait any longer - its just one of those things - I keep the dining room door shut and let him out more often - problem solved!

There's no point getting angry with her - you will just make her nervous and anxious and exacerbate the problem :)
- By hopefull [gb] Date 24.06.03 15:39 UTC
Chloe,
Thanks for your comments, its strange how the terminology I use has affected you, since all good puppy training books, tell you to teach your dog to pee on command using a simple word.
- By Carla Date 24.06.03 15:41 UTC
It depends how seriously you take them! The written word can be construed in different ways - you said that you were finding it "difficult not to show how angry I'm becoming", I read that as you being increasingly angry - which could come across to the pup and affect her... I could be wrong, its just the way it came across....

My dogs have never "gone on command", they just know to go outside and do a wee!
- By Isabel Date 24.06.03 16:22 UTC
I've always used a command Chloe its 'get busy' in our house :) I find I can have them fairly conditioned to it within a week or so much like sit or come by using praise and rewards. Its a huge help I find, certainly by 7 months I would expect them to be fully conditioned and unable to resist squatting when they hear it. I've never had do this although of course I would expect the occasional accident so I can't really offer any advise Hopefull. Going back to the crate seems the best option really.
- By sam Date 24.06.03 14:38 UTC
try restricting her water after 9pm
- By hopefull [gb] Date 24.06.03 15:41 UTC
Water restriction would be difficult as i have two other dogs, one of which is taking steriods and needs access to water at all times. (good idea tho.)
- By turtle [gb] Date 24.06.03 21:30 UTC
I thought restricting a puppy's access to water was very much a no-no??? :confused:
- By Jazzy J [ca] Date 24.06.03 21:33 UTC
I usually restrict my pup's water access after 8pm...you wouldn't want to do this at all times, but it is fine to do it at night and it helps the pup stay comfortable and sleep through the night.

JJ
- By lel [gb] Date 24.06.03 21:33 UTC
Do you offer a treat as a reward when she has been outside and make a fuss of her ?
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