hi

this is turning out to be one of the worst weeks i have ever experienced in my life.
my sister in law came around this afternoon with her dog and 5 year old son (the dog is fine her son is not)
he is one of the worst behaved children i have ever come across he is so naughty if he was my own i would have strangled him by now, that is how bad he is.
my sister in laws dog was lying on my living room floor doing nothing and her son kept poking him in the eyes,kicking him,smacking him ect...and she did nothing,so i tried to tell her son off and she then shouted at me for telling her son off and i replied "if the dog continues to get hurt by your son your son will get bitten eventually as they are like us and can only take so much".
anyway to avoid more arguing in front of my daughter i shut up and said no more about the treatment of her dog.
this treatment carried on and carried on much to my discust and she said nothing she even laughed at one point because the dog wasnt doing anything.
eventualy the dog nipped him she stood up and belted the dog in the face,i stood up and then slapped her around the face and told her to get out of my house.
i now have the dog she left him here, i have since found out that my nephew wasnt badly hurt it was just a warning from the dog.
but shes told me to expect the police later as she wants the dog put to sleep.
so if the police come are they going to take him?and have they got the powers to? as i feel the dog was provoked into doing it,he is not a nasty dog he is only 8 months old he been playing in the garden with me and my daughter and our other dogs since she left, he is far from being dangerous.
jane

What an awful story. That poor dog - they should never have had a puppy if they have a child who can't treat him right or more importanlty, if they can't show their son how to treat a dog right.

Poor thing - The police thing is prob a bit of heat from the situation - but they shouldn't have him back from what you've said.

Pam n the boys

hi,
tried calling my brother,she only ever comes here when hes working away other than that i dont see or hear from them, 2 of my other dogs came from them, she bred from the one and was "very shocked" that she only had one puppy, so mother and son ended up living with me and my family,pup was only 3 days old when she asked us to have them.
her excuse for her son hitting the dog is that he is only 5,but my daughter is 4 and knows the difference between what she is supposed to do and what she is not and has never STRUCK or HIT any of our dogs.
but dogs have been around since the day she was born and supervisation between the two has been strict at all times.i wish that this happened all the time with some people who decide to have dogs and children then accidents wouldnt happen.
i feel sad and angry :(
jane

Oh Jane :( I really feel for you, but what you are doing is so RIGHT! You have to stand up to these kind of people, how else will they ever learn??! Perhaps you could have a word with your brother about her? It certainly sounds to me as if she was looking for an excuse to get rid of the dog

Chin up - it will get better, you are just going through a period of putting things right!

Hi Jane

you are having a bit of a time of it aren't you? Are you and the Police on first name terms yet? :)

Seriously though, I beleive the Police can take the poor dog if they beleive him to be dangerous, my suggestion would be if you could get, say a Vet to confirm the dog is not dangerous, but most dogs will react under provocation.

Good luck and let us know how you get on!

liberty :)

That's awful - I would have reacted just the same as you. It angers me so when people don't raise their children properly. How would the brat like to be biffed and prodded all the time? Grrrr. The dog must be extremely tolerant to put up with such ill-treatment.

I hope the police threat is just her bad temper. You must tell your brother what happened. I hope it all cools down and the dog gets handed over to you. He certainly needs to be away from that horrible woman.
Fingers crossed it goes well for you.
:)

Jane,
Hello again, if it wasn't for bad luck... you wouldn't have any!!
I can well understand how you would be miffed with your sister-in-law, she was the one behaving like a child after all. We are supposed to teach our children how to love and show consideration for our animals, which in turn leads to a mutual respect. She doesn't deserve to own a damn dog in the first place! :(
I don't think the police will take the dog, obviously they must be able to see that the animal was provoked and at the end of the day, no real harm was done (other than to your sister's face!).
I'm sure that she'll calm down and after sulking for a few hours, will she not realise that she was in the wrong?
Anyway, I hope everything works out, and roll on the weekend, surely it can only get better:) :) :)
Luv
Sharon

Hi, Thats a terrible situation to be in, A friend of mine had a similar problem though it was to do with the dog being neglected by the owners, so she hid the dog with friends until it all died down, I think she told them that the dog had run off. she then rehomed & renamed the dog. & because the owners didn't really care about the dog in the first place it was soon all forgotten & now the dog has a great new life. So if the police do turn up you could always hide the dog!!!
Trace

Oh man you are having a bad week aren't you.

My son is now 3 and a half and he has knows not to poke and tease the dogs - and mine a super-laid-back.

Last time my sister-in-law turned up (a year ago) her son started to poke my dogs. Must have been something I said cause she hasn't brought the little g#% here again yet.

Well done for standing up for the dog. What breed is it and do you have space for a 10th(??) one??

hi,
hes a bulldog,she brought him hoping that she could use him as a stud dog to our girls as one of my males has been castrated and my puppy is going to be done within the next few weeks.(he cant be bred from anyway as he has wall-eye).
but i put my foot down, as i didnt have them to breed from even though they do come from good lines.
but breeding isnt something i would just enter lightly without a thought for my dogs,and i decided against breeding a long time ago i feel it should be left to people that know a lot more than i do.
we have a big house with quite a bit of land so space isnt a problem,although i dont know how many dogs you are allowed to keep in a house???not sure if there is a limit??? its our own house,we brought it outright.
as for the dog shes decided she wants him back after a lengthy phonecall to me,but she will have him back over my dead body he dont deserve the kind of treatment her son dishes out to him.
been trying desperatly to get hold of my brother on his mobile phone but either the battery is dead or hes out in the stigs with no reception,as i know he will see sence (not his fault hes not there to supervise,but he does have to work as she is a useless lazy C*W) i never liked her anyway.
jane.

Are you the person in another thread (white boxer DOG wanted)? with a bulldog with a blue eye? Or is that purely coincidental?

Edit - I'm just curious - no slight intended!
By the way, I don't think there's any limit to the number of dogs you can own in your own property....you'd have to find out from the Council (on the QT). As long as they're quiet and you clean up after them so there's no smell or flies I can't see there'd be a problem.

Good luck to you.
:)

hi jeangenie,
i havent seen the thread i know i made a comment on the debate of yellow eyed labs
i thought that there was only me on here with a blue eyed bulldog,must be more common than i thought it was.
jane.:)

I sincerely hope that your weekend gets better than the last 7 days has been.

Incidentally Jane, going slightly off topic here, because of your post about tattoos, I have now booked myself in and have worked out exactly what design I want (thanks to Microsoft Clipart) - it's all your fault you know :D :D

hi julia,

:D you wont regret it you will more than likely get another one! they are very addictive :D i take full responsibility :D for helping you make up your mind :D
Jane :)

How are Cass and the puppies now they are home?? And did you give your S-I-L's dog back?

Hope everyone is doing OK.

Julia & Hooligans

i have been informed that you can keep 6 dogs in your house after that you need planning permission.
my boss having problems with neighbours, they totally anti dog, they tried planning, environmental health and everyother department in the council trying to get him to get rid of the dogs but as most of them are rescued dogs now trained to work, they aint budging, if the dogs go theres alot of people out of qwork, and antidog people shouldnt be allowed you got to have dogs.
check with the council just to be on the safe side
tanya

There is actually no such rule about six dogs, though this is often the number Councils have asked people to get their numbers down to when dealing with nuisance cases, when people have been taken to court.

I know plenty of people who keep more than six dogs in normal domestic households without change of use.

Hi Brainless

I thought different councils had different regulations re the amount of dogs you could keep before registering with them?

liberty :)

I think they only have powers if you are a Council tenant, does anyone know anything more? My friend is now buying her Council house, but she has had si9x or more dogs for donkeys years, and when she has had neigbours complaining she went to the Council and told them that the neighbour was provoking the dogs on purpose, and the Council made a note and that was it.

Hi Brainless

Sorry if that was duff info, but I thought I had been told this.....probably yet another blonde moment :D Hope someone can give you the correct answer :)

liberty :)

Just for info on the number of dogs allowed in a privately owned house - if you check your deeds, it is likely to say something like 'you are not allowed to keep any animals that may cause a nuisance or exessive noise to the neghbours'. This then allows the council to be reasonably flexible re numbers and different situations.

In a rented property - council or private, it will stipulate a) if you are allowed to keep dogs and b) if so, how many.

Jane (Dee)

Our deeds say that we can only keep pets, not livestock.

I'm lucky both my left and right neighbours have said they don't care how many we have as long as they are friendly. We currently have 3 & I'm trying to convince hubby that Border Terrier would make
1) a good companion for Chessie during "the season", cause he gets distressed on his own.
2) a nice size for Christopher to start learning with a
3) a good ratter and hedge dog for rabbitting.

Julia & Hooligans

And having one more won't make a difference :D

Lucy

Now thats my next line of attack :D

Particularly a little one!!

Julia

:D

Are yiu 0perhaps refering to Leasehold covenenants, as things like that certainly could be in there? My sister had her house Freehold, but there was a clause written into her and her neigbours deeds that neither would build or place any permanent structure withing 6 feet of the boundary.

There is nothing on my freehold, other than something avbout mining rights belowq a certain depth.

I know that under the old council tenancy agreements and leases that no cockerels were allowed to be kept, and no more than 6 hens:D

We have the deeds to our freehold house and it definitely says about the nuisance / excessive noise- must be something that the builders put in when they developed the estate (in the 60's) ? Have had a few problems with people wanting to rehome a dog and not being able because of their council agreement - although today I had a lady who said that she was on 'trial' with the council for a year, then she was allowed a max of 3 - so guess there is no blanket ruling - just as well really lol

JD

My aunt lives in a council house and her new-ish next door neighbour, also council tenants, moved in last year with 3 dogs - 2 staffies, one male & one female, and a springer. They rehomed the springer after a couple of months because she was 'too boisterous' - yes, it's a springer, did you expect it to be stuffed? - and then earlier this year they bred from the staffies. Don't even get me started on irresponsible breeding, profit-making, ignorance yadda yadda yadda - just be thankful I dissuaded my aunt from buying one!

Anyway, they kept a puppy 'for the kiddies' so were back up to their original complement of 3. They were told last month by the council that there had been complaints about the noise - the dogs being kennelled in a makeshift run in their (small) back garden - and had to get rid of one of them. So they sold the mature bitch!! SOLD - not even given away to a kind knowledgable home; what a wonderful thank you to a dog they had had for years, and had produced a 'nice little earner' for them. They chose the bitch to sell rather than the puppy because 'the kiddies are so attached to the puppy now'. So no doubt in a year or so's time the father will be siring pups on his daughter to earn them a few hundred quid more...

But to get back on topic (slapped hands for wandering off!), this council enforced a 'maximum 2 dogs rule; additional dogs entirely at the council's discretion' so it definitely seems a case of each area having their own guidelines.

Good luck Jane - you must have a heart like a lion! I've read your other thread - how is Cass and the pups? Let's hope your luck changes soon.

We checked our tenance agreement when we moved here with our nine dogs, it states that pets are allowed as long as they do not cause excess noise or distress to the surrounding occupants, nothing is stated about numbers, but we are not allowed to keep live stock of pidgeons.
We are luck the nearest people to us have 6 dogs of there own, and the other has 5 dogs, my daughter lives nextdoor so she has no choice and we get a built in dog sitter and she gets a baby sitter.