Just been reading this, very sorry to hear about ur miserable neighbour. I would definately call the cops and tell them what just happened and press charges. Throwing rocks at ur dogs is abuse to animals so maybe u can get him on that too. Me personally I would not leave my children or my dogs outside unattended. I would fear that he might do something like poison my dogs when I wasn't around. I always fear the worst, better to be safe then sorry. A lot of congratulations to ur husband for what he did and U, this dog was very lucky to have u as neighbours and a very good vet for what he has done also. Some vets wouldn't even go that far to go get a dog. I do hope everything works out for u. Could u get some kind of restraining order so ur neighbour can't come in so many feet of u and ur family, dogs ect?

Wishing u the best of luck and that poor little doggy that had to live with him, really hope he doesn't pay the vet bill.

ttfn :)

hi,
the police have just left my house and have gone nextdoor to arrest my nieghbour ,apparently they came back to arrest him yesterday after my husband had been arrested but he had gone out.
as my husband had filed a counter complaint for common assult and cruelty to animals,so they have took a statement from me which supports what my husband had said yesterday to them about him.
i have since found out before they got here that this man rents the house and the land on it which i have mentioned to the police and they are going to try and contact his landlord and report him for anti-social behavior,dont know how far it will go but it is worth a try.
but they did say the have more powers now to stop this kind of behavior towards animals without the powers of the RSPCA the officers have also said they will be contacting my vet tomorrow to take a statement from him,and they will also speak to the officers that attended yesterday to assist my vet to gain acsess to the back garden that the dog was in.
they will also be back tomorrow to take photographs of the conditions that cass was found in (everything is still there,he has not attempted to move or hide any of it).
so it sound like he could be in a fair bit of trouble:) more so than my husband.
jane.

Take pictures yourself if you can from an upstairs window - just in case he does change things between now and then.

I think you're amazing for what you've done. I only wish more of us were willing to stand up when we see things happen - in spite of the lack of response from those who are supposed to help:(

WEndy

And someone told me, this weekend, on another topic, not to criticize the RSPCA as they do a good job :O

Good for your hubby. F'raid I'd have done the same thing.

Dear Jane,
Well done to you and your husband and what a horrible situation. I hope that the neighbour gets into a world of trouble. As he has shouted at you in such an awful way I would be tempted to have him warned under the harassment act. This means that if he so much as tries to communicate with you after the warning he will be arrested. Were there any independant witnesses to the incident involving your husband? I don't know if they would count you as one, but in cases like this where it is word on word the CPS usually won't take it to court and it gets dropped. I hope this is the case. Keep a diary of anything that happens from now on, just in case the neighbour does anything else and don't hesitate to ring the police if he starts again. Even if they don't come out your call is logged on the computer and it is evidence should the matter go to court. If your husband admits the assault then he could be cautioned, not fair at all, but no trip to court.
I wish you and the dogs all the best.
Amy

I think you and your family are very brave and genuine dog lovers, i do hope your hubby and daughter will see all the support you have on here :) It takes an awful lot to stand up and be counted these days, esp. as the law can really be an ass (look at poor Tony Martin, that farmer who was just protecting himself).

I think everything you have done so far is sensible and level headed, your vet sounds absolutely wonderful and a really compassionate person.

HOpefully the next door neighbour will have to move, if the landlord puts the pressure on. Hope so.

Take care

Lindsay

It would be great if after everything's that's happened there could be a happy ending to this.

Your husband is not prosecuted.

The landlord of your neighbour kicks him out.

You keep cass and pups/or find a good home for them.

Your neighbour is sentenced to a maximum prison sentence and fine, and forbidden to keep animals for ...lets say 50yrs.

Oooh I've got my fingers crossed for you ;)

judge liberty :)

Hope things turn out well for you all :)
Has the vet said how poor Cass is ? She is very old to be having pups although not a breeder myself I wouldnt have thought she should be having alitter at that age poor love :(
How are the pups doing ?
At least you will have the vets evidence to back up the complaint from Mr B%$&*^d next door -plus the fact that after all thats happened you have even offered to pay the vets bill because you were so concerned .
Hey- maybe if we all chipped in a couple of quid it would pay the bill - what do you think ? :)
Lel

Hi Lel

I'd be more than happy to chip in a few quid towards the vets bills for this poor girl.

liberty

Hope everything goes you and cass's way good luck and i hope lightning bolts and thunder clouds follow the the criminal and teach him a shocking lesson...
Maybe they should put him in a cage.........sounds fair

pam

And make him go through simulated childbirth at the same time. With no gas and air. At 70 years old.

Hi, Ive just got back from a weekend away and am absolutely horrified by what has happened to you and your hubby. Good for you both, im so glad you found out what was going on, just think if you hadn't the poor bitch and her puppies could be dead by now. When I think of the hours I sat up during the night helping my bitch welp her puppies, this makes me soooooo!!!! angry, as for the RSPCA, all I can say is Typical!!!!! they want our money to help them, why should we, when they dont do anything in return, pity the t.v. cameras wern't there, then something would have been done,. I would certainly go to the local newpaper, or the nationals The Sun or News of the World, love stories like that, the Sunday Mail here in Scotland helped in our area not so long ago about a puppy dealer. If you contact www.mediacave.co.uk/wag they might be able to offer some advice on what to do next. You have a super vet , poor dog 10 yrs old and having a litter. Give mum and pups a cuddle from me when you next see them, please keep us all informed on how things go. I would also get this person countercharged with assault, and hope the police get him for throwing the bricks he sounds a really nasty piece of work.

After reading all the posts I have a hundered and one emotions running throu me and most of them are not nice. I was once a victim of a neighbour from hell, only she picked on me and she didn't have any dogs but it was a horrible time and lasted over a year. I eventually called in the police and they were fantastic. Problem soon got sorted but she has now turned her evil attention onto someone else. How I wish I had thumped her ! Please do all you can to get rid of your neighbour, for you, your husband, your family and your own dogs sake. And thank you for all the trouble you have gone to to ensure this poor dog can at last enjoy life. It's so nice to know that there is people like you and your husband on this earth, can't say the same about your neighbour.

Margaret

hi margaret,
my husband was so angry yesterday,hes normally a very placid man,but hes 6ft tall and 6ft wide a hulk of a guy really but so easygoing and normally very appraochable.
but he just saw red,i started screaming when i saw cass and because i was screaming our daughter started crying which made him even more angry.
i have never seen my husband loose his temper in the years that we have been married and it was scary.
but it had to be done from my husbands point of view to calm everything down.(even though i dont condone violence).
i saw cass this morning and she appeared to be happier the remaining pups are doing well and shes been getting loads of cuddles from the vetinary nurses.
and had a cuddle from me and my daughter kissed her and both puppies.
me and my husband dont mind paying the vet bill its a cause that is well deserved to put cass on the road to recovery,and she is more than welcome to live out the rest of her days with her puppies with me,my husband and our daughter where she would be looked after proporly and very much loved.
jane.

Jane

I meant it when I said I'd be more than happy to contribute towards the vets bills for Cass.

Let me know the best way to contact you..... and of course Good Luck ;)

liberty

hi liberty,
the messages of support have been wonderful......me and my husband are not short of a few quid and thats ment in the nicest way possible:) i dont mind anyone emailing me for updates on cass and her pups and everything else thats happened.
im just glad that we are in the postion that we can help her ,when i have some photos of her i will use a link where you can all see them ,the pups are lovely and cass is just a lovely old sweet girl who certainly dont deserve what has happened.
its made me so sad:( especially when i eventually got to see her close up and the vet was checking her out.
our vet has been really brilliant about it,and credit where credit is due he is very good at what he does and shows so much compassion towards the animals he treats which makes him a valuable assest to me and my family (and at times he has been a lifeline).
THANK YOU EVERYONE if we all had people like you that have given so much posetive input into whats happened the world would certainly be a much better place to live in.
i will keep you all updated on casses progress.
jane:) and a VERY BIG THANK YOU TO YOU ALL AGAIN.:)

Well done for all you have done for Cass and the pups and hope this all works out for you all. A horrible few days for you.:(

Lucy
xx

Hello Jane

Its Jolene, so sorry to hear about your weekend, what an awful time you have had, haven-t had the computer switched on so was shocked when I read it this morning. I'm sure that your husband will not get into trouble and that everything will work out for the best. So glad to hear that you are going to take the old girl and her pups on - keep us posted.

Regards

Jolene

Jane, has the vet said directly he will be asking for you to settle the bill? He may just waive it, or pursue the original owner for the costs...

Might also be worth speaking to a solicitor if you do decide to pay the vet bills, just so it can be noted.

no thank you Jane, and your husband and daughter for acting as you have. god knows what would have happened to the poor animal and her pups if you hadn't been around - it worries me that this sort of thing must happen all the time and i bet there's rarely someone like you to help out. i bet poor cass can't quite belive her luck - she's probably had years of abuse.
well good luck with everything and i hope all goes well for your husband - it sounds as if you have a very strong case but please make sure you talk to a solicitor asap if you haven't already done so.
take care
Lu :)

Jane,
A BIG well done to you and your husband for what you have done.
As someone else in here has also said, If you are going to persue this further, everytime your neighbour becomes abusive towards you, call the police. If you justs say you want it logged and don't want anyone out, they are fine with it as alot of people do that sort of thing for court cases etc. ALWAYS get an incident number though!! I used to support the RSPCA but after recent experiences with them and the problems you have had i will never support them again. I'm so glad there are people like you in the world that risk being prosecuted for the sake of an animal.
you are both great people and please put that link up soon so we can see how she is doing :)
Good luck to you all and I hope your neighbour gets what he deserves!
Sam

Hi Jane

Glad to hear that Cass's vets bills won't break the bank :)

Keep us up to date with how things are going, big hugs to Cass and pups:)

liberty

hi,
spoke to the vet when i went into see cass this afternoon and so far all i have been charged for is the call out for saturday which was an emergency call out charge of £65 which isnt too bad.
our vet hasnt mentioned the rest of the money yet,which i am more than happy to pay.
but he has said with our six dogs and cats and other small animals. that me and my hubby put enough buisness his way(so we might have it waived).
cass seemed bright eyed and i had a very small tail wag from her when she saw me so i pressume that shes feeling happier and a bit more healthier,vet said shes eating okay and had been sitting with the nurses on reception for half an hour or so (i suppose shes been enjoying all the attention:) which she so much deserves)
no more updates on nextdoor yet,but promise to keep you all posted:)
jane.

hi all,
i have just managed to get hold of a friend of mine who works for the RSPCA( been trying her all weekend)
and i have explained what happened with cass and i have been compleatly outraged by her response.
I SHOULD HAVE LEFT HER THERE===LIKE HELLO WHATS HAPPENING???
i should have left her there and pestered the RSPCA to respond to my call. if i had have cass would undoubtibly died.
she said they would have gone out eventually but wouldnt have took her that day,they would have kept going out for 7 days,and only on the 7th day they would have siezed her as they have to make sure that she had actually been abandoned.
just goes to show it aint who you know and what you know afterall
jane.

thats disgusting

Outrageous!
Honestly, the bl**dy bureaucracy drives me up the wall. They've got so big they've lost sight of the detail.

I'm speechless

I am so sorry your husband may have got in trouble - poor man - but thank goodness you were there - well done all of you and I too hope for a very happy ending for you all :)

Gina

Hello,
I have been reading these posts over and over for 2 days, and I think I have finally calmed down enough to respond. How horrible can one person be? Wow, it make me want to hurl. Errr, and there is nothing we can do about this insanity. I would call the local papers, and have them report on this, make the RSPCA look horrible. Expose them as much as you can. I know that here in Canada there are other organizations that have the authority to make arrests and sue for cruelty. I feel so sorry for her, the poor bitch, at 10 years old, :( Apalling. Just disgusting, :( I was just wondering...With Cass and the two pups, are you still going to adopt Sadie? Sorry if this seems like the wrong time, I was just wondering. Good luck, I wish you all the best, and your husband. Give Cass and the pups big kisses from me n' the gang.
RudyandMum

hi rudyandmum,
we have the room to adopt Sadie, but i dont know if we would pass the homecheck as i dont know how many dogs you are allowed to have in one household???? (its our own house we own it outright) but thinking realisticly im sure rescue centres have there limits,but were still having the homecheck i have made the rescue aware of whats happening with cass and the very big possibility that she will be comming to live with us with her puppies,but they said they will still come out and see us.
6 dogs is a lot to have under one roof 9 is like WOW and 10 would make little difference to having 9.thats my way of thinking.but my husband is like
but im like :D :D :D
jane :)

Hi Jane,
Been reading this for the last couple of days (couldn't reply as computer probs) and just wanted to say that I think you've done a fantastic thing by Cass and her pups, and are very brave. :)
I hope that the assault charges ammount to nothing, and that Cass recovers quickly :)
Take care,
Lisa
xx

Jane,
hopefully the rescue will look at it from the point of view that if Sadie will get a good home then that's fine :) I don't think it matters how many dogs you have so long as it's not too many for you to deal with, and that number depends on the individual people involved. Good luck with sadie any way, and love and hugs to cass and the pups :D

Grace

Hi Jane,
I completely agree with Liberty .... I would be more than obliged to put something towards Cass's vet bills - you deserve a medal for what you've done, and offered to do for her in the future. Here's hoping that he stands by his word, and lets you keep her and her puppies, please contact me also, and let me know best way to help.
Good on you all... I hope that XXXXXXX gets what's coming to him...... and more!!!!
Sharon

I have been following this thread now for two days and I have to say Bulldogowner you are so brave to have taken this on, most people wouln't have bothered - you deserve a medal.

Thinking about the position with the RSPCA....

They obtain money from the public through claiming to help in cases like this but the actual fact is they usually don't until its too late (if at all). Millions of pounds donated by the public were used to build their fabulously expensive new headquarters.
In another world and with anyone but the RSPCA wouldn't this be termed fraudulently obtaining money ??? or am I barking up the wrong tree??

Well said Dill
It's about time people got to know what really goes on with the RSPCA :( :(

Hi Jane , well i told you that i contacted the R.S.P.C.A. and suggested that they log onto Champdogs website and follow your story the way we all have over these last few days , and maybe tell us why they seemed unable or unwilling to help!!they sent two messages the first was to acknowledge my email the second was as follows and i quote .......The inspectors will not rush in especially where a human x 2 assult has taken place and will take time gathering all the evidence they possibly can before taking a case to court so as not to jeapodise any prosecution, THIS is important as a succesful conviction can only be obtained through courts of law.The defendants lawyers will know only too well that they can get their client off if there is prior publicity and the assult will..... unfortunatly only make matters worse...... un quote do you know i honestly doubted some of the remarks you were all writing on this website, not that i thought any one was lying but maybe a bone or two to pick ....but i find this reply breathtaking in its ability to completely avoid the issue ,i asked what should they have done to save this poor animal from any more suffering? (or words to that effect ) is it me or do i not see ANY mention of the poor dog ?you more experienced people than me have proved me wrong how arrogant can they be !! We have just rescued our pup from the R.S.P.C.A. AND SHE IS BEAUTIFUL, AND THE R.S.P.C.A. at Chobham were faultless, maybe they should be used as an example as to how the R.S.P.C.A. SHOULD OPERATE, WHAT A LOAD OF B******S i cant remember being this ANGRY ever Sue T.

Hi Sue,

i am sorry you have had to waste your time emailing the RSPCA.
the main thing is that cass and pups are doing okay WITHOUT there help....next time i see a charity box or i am asked to make donations to them i wont....i will instead give PATHETIC amounts of money to smaller and more needier animal charities.
i will NEVER waste my time calling them EVER again and i certainly will not be putting ANY MORE OF MY MONEY to there causes.
but thanks for trying to get them to shed a little light on this matter, and thank you to everyone who has given their support the past few days.

jane.

How are mum and pups getting on ?

Lucy

Yes do tell, we are waiting, :D
RudyandMum

I've just caught up with this thread and I'm absolutely gobsmacked :-( So typical of the RSPCA

Sounds like you've done a fantastic job Jane. Well done. My first thought was to offer money also to help with the vets fees but I see that's been covered :-) I'd be happy to help in any other way (as I'm sure many would) if you ever need it.

Hope Cass and her pups are still on the road to recovery. :-) I look forward to the updates, hopefully positive ones. And I hope you neighbour gets what he deserves What a nasty piece of work :-(

Best Wishes.

hi, just a point to make,

I think this is right, even though RSPCA rehoming centres, such as the one in Chobham, carry the RSPCA name, and are run under RSPCA guidelines they are NOT funded by the RSPCA, they have to find their own funding!!!!!!!!!!! Im pretty sure thats right, certainly for the ones near me, in the northwest!

Just an interesting little point, so although many RSPCA rehoming centres are exemplary, this is not actually because they are a part of the RSPCA, more DESPITE it!!!!!!!!

Emma

Hi Emma,that would explain a lot , after having my homecheck before getting Lola i had quite an indepth convesation with the lady from Millbrook (R.S.P.C.A.) she told me they need Homevisitors, and as it is voluntary position i thought i could help from time to time ,all of the correspondance IS R.S.P.C.A. now ,i really want to help the animals but do find myself having a real issue after reading how so many animal lovers ,genuinely feel such contempt for this so called SOCIETY FOR THE PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS .it seems to me that they wait ! as opposed to prevent, maybe i should look for a smaller charity to help? Sue T.

Hi Jane,i recieved this ,thought you might like to read it ....Quote ,i read the message board again and see that you have implied that my answer to your query came from the National Society, which is totally wrong, please could you make sure that this is made clear in your next posting. As i said in my previous message we are only a small branch of the R.S.P.C.A.and cannot comment for The National Society.....UNQUOTE. well i am lost for words, all anyone wants is for someone to be there for the likes of Cass and her pups, ,i honestly always thought that that was the R.S.P.C.A.who am i supposed to call if god forbid i ever come across anything as you did?Sue T.

So if one is (and I'm not) giving money to the RSPCA, but the "RSPCA" centres are not funded by that, then who the hell is benefitting from the millions??

Or am I being thick?

My sister and her husband had a vsit from the RSPCA because their neighbour had called them out. Turned out that because my sister lets her bunny have the run of the house and the garden (treats him like a dog or cat - he is even litter trained !! ) that this is cruel!! He should be penned - with a large run. I ask you, why on earth did they feel that this was worth a visit, yet the real emergencies like poor Cass and her pups are a complete nightmare to get them to even bat an eyelid

Julia...well fat cat jacki Ballard, ex unsuccessful MP who has herself admitted she know nothing about running a company....she is getting over £90,000 of it!

Funny feeling of deja vu here. I had exactly that conversation about her with my husband this morning!!

Someone further up the board mentioned fraud.

If you are giving money to "the RSPCA", but its not going to "the RSPCA" just "the" RSPCA, isnt that fraudulent.

Isn't it the same as us here paying a chq to company ABC Ltd, but company Acorn Bullets & Chips Ltd banking it. When that happened someone went to jail.

If not fraudulent, a very, very big con. Oh, but yes I forgot an ex-politician is involved!

Cynical of Somerset

(Julia & Hooligans)

hi,
saw vet this morning and he said cass can come home with us tonight there is no point keeping her another day as tomorrow is her 7th so we are collecting her after his evening surgery,i wanted her this morning,but vet said i must leave it until his working day has finished.
for reasons i understand,but im so excited:D
Jane.

See Jane

Your weekend has inproved already!!

Wow, ten now?? :D :D :D :D I know thats what your thinking. I can't imagine your husband though...
RudyandMum