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Date 31.05.03 16:12 UTC
my Italian Greyhound has just had 4 healthy puppies, however one of them is the incorrect colour for the breed and will go to a pet home and will be neutered. I was just wondering if there is any point in getting him KC registered? the other puppies are the correct colour and will be registered.
Best thing for this pup is to put it to sleep, you want to prevent incorrect pups being bred at all times. Best to do it now while it's still young and you aren't attached to it.
Um ...isn't that a bit harsh? Given the fact that the poster says they will have the pup neutered and let it go to a pet home..why put a healthy pup to sleep given those circumstances?
Maybe it's just me and I am too soft to contemplate ever breeding *shrug*
Melody
Put the puppy to sleep, there are already too many dogs out there that need homes without creating more unnecessary ones. The breeder should want nothing to do with pups that are of the incorrect colour and the litter should have been planned specifically so that colour faults such as this are not allowed to happen.
By Admin (Administrator)
Date 31.05.03 16:56 UTC
there speaks someone who has never had to have an animal pts
Just giving my opinion, that's what I'd do if I was in that situation, but then again I'd try everything I could to make sure I didn't end up with a litter of pups who had breed faults.
I'm sure nobody
tries to produce 'faulty' pups, Char. :rolleyes:
By Carla
Date 31.05.03 18:48 UTC
Lets hope you never come back as a "mismarked" pup in the next life.
What goes around comes around.
What a callous thing to say, Char.
:(
Well I think that I have no heard everything on this board!!!! :-(
So do you have the same opinion of a person who is born the wrong colour or sex or disabled. For goodness sake have a heart woman.
I have just recently not registered a pup who was born much smaller than the rest and only just made it, due may I say to an awful lot of tlc. I kept him ubntil 16 weeks to make sure there were no obvious health problems and had him checked out my my vet on numerous occasions.
He has gone to a new home just two weeks ago, with just his pedigree and my normal contract.
I was speaking to his owner two days ago, and she said to me " Jayne if it was a choice between me winning the lottery and having Sam, then Sam would win hands down!!!"
If I had been of the same opinion as this poster then this pup would have been pts and both he and his new owner would have missed out on something very special.
By the way he went to her for just the cost of his vaccination.
Jayne
By Admin (Administrator)
Date 31.05.03 16:54 UTC
If he is an incorrect colour, the KC may not allow him to be registered on the breed register. If you want, you could always give the new owner a copy of the pedigree without KC reg? That way you are not denying him his heritage :-)
By Bec
Date 31.05.03 20:09 UTC
Admin, whomever you may be, since when does a dog being the wrong colour stop it from being registered? The Kennel Club will register a dog of any colour of any breed on the appropriate breed register as long as both parents are registered with themselves.
Personally I thinkt he KC records are bad enough as it is without loads of mismarked puppies not being registered. How on earth can breed records be accurately maintained if this started to happen? If the colour is indeed a fault then surely it needs to be known so people can findout where this colour is coming from and breed away from it?
Bec
By Admin (Administrator)
Date 31.05.03 20:20 UTC
so do you have any advice for the guest?
By Jan Doherty
Date 01.06.03 07:47 UTC
In reply to admin, Yes I do have advise to give Guest even more so in the light of park incident. So guest please get in touch there is help and advice we can give you. Because of the amount of IG owners who have whippets there have been a few accidents!!! These things happen. Regards Jan
By Admin (Administrator)
Date 01.06.03 08:26 UTC
Jan, guests do not have access to your email address. The guest will need to register to respond or if they contact me directly, I will pass on their email address to you.
By Jan Doherty
Date 01.06.03 08:48 UTC
Thank you and apologies forgot that people coming on the board as guests would not know how to access my Email., Jan
By Isabel
Date 31.05.03 20:27 UTC
Now
I'm confused Bec, you seemed to say in another thread that your poodle had to be registered as brown.
By Bec
Date 01.06.03 07:13 UTC
My apologies if I said she HAD to be registered as a brown because she doesn't have to. She is and I haven't got round to changing her registration yet :D
Bec
Will the KC register his colour as 'non-standard'? In my breed we tend to register all the pups in a litter, even the non-standard colours (orange and lemon, or tri-colour) because otherwise it seems almost as though we're ashamed of them!
It's a purely personal choice.
:)
Edited to add: And endorse the registration - that's what the option is there for!
By Isabel
Date 31.05.03 17:52 UTC
That's the best option I think too, Jeangenie, maximum information within a breed is always best as far as I'm concerned. As for putting a healthy puppy to sleep
By Admin (Administrator)
Date 31.05.03 18:14 UTC
There is always the 'activity register' if you want to register it but without parentage.
Surely not registering the entire litter means that the breed historians of the future will only have false information to work with?
My oldest Beardie is mismarked and also a mix of working and show lines BUT she is the best natured dog and also a good worker in obedience and agility. Char if you had your way I would have missed 13 years of fun and companionship. It isn't Una's fault she's a mismark and it's not this pups either
Anne
By Jan Doherty
Date 31.05.03 19:20 UTC
As an Italian Greyhound breeder I am extremely interested in what colour this puppy is? There are plenty of pet homes out there who would not care what colour the puppy is. There are far more worrying health problems in this breed to worry about other than colour. I would really appreciate you contacting me. Please do not have this puppy put down.Jan
Jan , the guest has never suggested they would put the pup down ..they were only asking if they should register it with the KC.
(Thankfully)
Melody :)
No the breeder has more heart than someone who posted on here!!!
By Jan Doherty
Date 31.05.03 19:56 UTC
Sorry but I was appalled that anyone would suggest putting down an IG puppy because it was the wrong colour. My main concern was that that post would raise sufficient doubt in guests mind as to the future of the puppy. And no I am not suggesting that Guest is stupid but this can be a very influential board. My concern is that in IGs there are only a couple of colours I know of that crop up occasionally and that is Black and Tan or Blue and Tan. Brindle also is not allowed.(If you get one of those you probably have a sneaky Whippet in the house).
If guest cares to contact me I will assist them as best I can. Jan
By alfie
Date 31.05.03 21:49 UTC
I have forced myself to read to the end of this thread and count to 10 before replying, I cannot believe Char's comments- just what are you on?
I also have Italians and there are NEVER enough puppies- or rescues- to satisfy demand (thankfully- I would never want the breed to suffer the problems of the very popular breeds).
Once people have owned an Italian they always want another one, even if the puppy happens to suffer the horror of being the wrong colour! How does that stop it from being a wonderful pet? I'd like to think this also applies to any other breed as well.
I assume the poster has had a black and tan or blue and tan puppy in the litter, if so this does crop up occasionally. I do believe that at the turn of the last century, either English toy terriers or Manchesters were crossed in to increase size and strenghten bone, as the Italians had been bred specifically for small size and very fine bone, and had become extremely fragile. Don't quote me on this, but I'm sure I read it in an IG book.
I have seen photos of a blue and tan IG (hasn't Vincent got one Jan?) and I think it looks lovely, even if incorrect for the breed!
I'm sure you can register this pup, and I expect it will be the first one to go when prospective new owners view the litter!
Good luck, Liz
By Isabel
Date 31.05.03 21:59 UTC
Guest has posted again, but it was removed as they have not registered, to say that they have found out, suddenly this evening
!!! that the pup is a cross, probably by a whippet in their local park (although they don't know for sure as the bitch has apparently been left to run free unwatched) presumably they will not now register any of the litter if parentage is so uncertain :(
By Isabel
Date 31.05.03 22:01 UTC
PS so beware anyone buying a IG puppy in the next few weeks, have a good look at the rest of the litter
So how would "guest" have been planning to KC register the pups anyway if she wasn't quite sure who the sire was?
By dna testing .Gillian
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