I am interested in buying a Doberman puppy either Fawn or Brown.I live in West London and am prepared to travel a little, if anyone has any available, due soon or any other contacts who could assist please can you kindly e-mail me at: rani-taran(at)tiscali.co.uk.

Thank you
Rani

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do you mean a brown dobe or a "fawn" (the latter being much rarer)?

Isn't a fawn known as 'Isabella', and I think I've heard they have health problems associated with the dilute colour. Is that true, or did I dream it?

I honestly never knew that a fawn dobe existed, I have heared of blue dobes, but never fawns. Just goes to show you never stop learning.

Margaret

Never heard of a fawn dobe either. Perhaps Kerioak "The Font of all Knowledge Regarding Dobes" could shed some light?!

Fawn, think they are called Isabella, only ever seen one and very odd it looked. A bit like an overweight slighty offcolour Weimarner. It had none of the expected marking. Still it would not do for us all to like the same things, but they are not common.

lady G, I can assure you they are a legal recognised colour, albeit not to everybodys taste.

Somewhere in the Champdog archives is a whole debate on fawn/isabella dobes

Have a look Here You can see every colour.

Alison

Don't see a blue Alison

Yes, there's certainly one (if not 2) blue in the 3rd picture down (the litter), and one in the last picture.
Edit: Forget the last pic - they're min pins! Durr!

Must have died, not in the picture of the pups.

May have sold it! ;)

As they say by the picture of the litter with all 5 colours, there were 15 living pups - I don't expect they planned to keep them all!

There are NOT five colours of Dobermanns - there are
Black & Rust
Brown & Rust
Blue & Rust
Fawn (Isabella) & Rust

and albinos (not white, cream, creamello, pale fawn etc etc however they are registered) with white markings which was originally a naturally occuring (we are told) mutation in one litter where the son was mated back to his mother, sisters etc to fix the mutant gene.

Fawn (Isabella) is a recognised colour but they are often prone to having very poor coats once they reach around two years old. I don't know of any around at the moment as most breeders will avoid breeding dilutes if they can and stick to blacks and browns. Some of the recent imports are carrying the genes for dilution though much to the surprise of some breeders

Christine
Edited to correct colour of albino's markings

Errrrr, just one leeeeeetle question. Um, albino means without ANY pigment doesnt it? as in NONE, at all, so if a dog, (any dog at all) has some coloured markings, then he/she is NOT an albine but is in fact a colour?

So that would technically mean taht there ARE 5 colours of Dobe.

That is of course, regardless of wether any of those five colours are recognised, or discouraged for what ever reasons.
Em

True! An albino also has no eye pigment either, so has pink eyes...

Cream-and-tan is not albino.

The fawn (Isabella) I saw had no Rust and no Tan infact no markings at all, and cream colour eyes. And those in the photo seem to have no marking or areas of rust or tan. Would they be thought to have acceptable colouring?

Not all albinos have pink eyes - mostly rodents. Albinos (people and Dobermanns) can also have blue and pale tawny coloured eyes. There are many different types of albinism.

For information on albinos visit here

Fawn and some albino Dobermanns may look similar except that Fawns have rust markings, brown eyes and pigment in nose, lips and pads, and albinos have white markings with pink noses, eye rims, lips,pads etc

Christine

Sorry, I was going by the albino man who used to live down our road. He had pink eyes.

I wonder why dobermanns are different?

After all, the dictionary defines 'albino' as: 1. A human being having a congenital deficiency of colouring pigment in the skin, hair and eyes, so that the former are white, and the eyes pink. 2. Applied also to animals, and to plants lacking chlorophyll.

Don't think it is just dogs, the eye structure is different. In a flash picture humans eyes are red, dogs are green and I believe cats are yellow. So I would not be suprised if the lack of pigment had a different result depending on the structures within the eye being viewed.

In a flash picture my black-spotted dalmatians eyes reflect green, but the liver-spotted ones reflect red. It must be to do with the pigment. Odd, eh?
But with albinos, we're not talking about the reflective colour from the retina, we're talking about the lack of pigment in the iris itself.
:)

Think about a cloudless sky on a sunny day - what colour is it?

Blue!

No.

It is not a colour, but the way the light reflects giving the impression of a deep blue sky - the same thing happens with albinos I believe - it is the way the light reflects and the shape of the eye.

Have you checked out the site on Albinism and its links - they make facinating reading and you could research for hours (days!)

Christine

It is a fascinating subject, as you say! Of course, in the bad old days of superstition, albino babies were thought to be the "Devil's Children" because of their pink eyes, and in many places couldn't be baptised, or buried in consecrated ground. :(

Oooooh, im gonna go read taht now,

Just one thought though, yes, the colour of a dogs eyes may not be a pigment, just the way light reflects, but any other colour on the skin other than pink IS pigment, adn therefore surely not albino?

My experience of albinos here is mostly people and horses.

Em