Hello,

I have a maiden that we are trying to get bred I think she is on day 10 and the stud dog we are using is experienced and when he trys she snaps and doesn't want to stand for him. Any input would be greater appreciated, I don't want to miss on her.

Thanks

What breed is she. She is probably not reay. Most of my bitches aren't ready until day 14 to 17!

She is a Rough Collie

I have Rough Collies too, and it sounds to me that you may be a little early.......mine usually stand at about 13 days, one isn`t ready til day 15/16......but I have known it possible on day 9 with a resulting litter...... so it depends what book your bitch has`read`ha,ha.....Good Luck. Gail:) :) :)

hello
we have got a maiden english bull terrier. she is on day 12 and will not let the stud dog come anywhere near her. Has anyone got any advice?

from julie

Hi Julie,

Some bitches are late to be ready, it depends on each personal bitch. Sometimes they just don't like the dog and won't stand for them, but will stand for another dog.

We always use the blood tests available at the vets, because we only ever do one mating and like to be spot on with the day and so far we have had success everytime. It's well worth doing, especially with a maiden bitch, as you have not sussed the date she is ready for mating.

manda
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hi manda
Thank you for your reply.Regarding blood tests,I have been advised not to use them.I have been told that swabs are cheaper and more reliable.What is your opinion,also what is your opinion on A.I
kindest regards Julie

Julie,

Have you had any luck yet? This maiden hasn't stood yet and we are on day 13.

hi moonbay,
we have had no luck mating,however we have just had A.I. done
so fingers crossed.
kindest regards julie

Hi Julie,

I hope the AI works for you, we haven't gotten our bitch bred either we are on day 14. I heard that sometimes a bitch just doesn't want to breed. If we don't get her mated this time around we will be looking into AI for her next season.
Best Wishes, let me know how the AI turned out : )

Have to be careful with AI.

Certainly if you have done it dont let the kennel club know(UK) as if the two dogs are resident in the uk you have apply for permission for AI to take place.(As far as I know)

Apparently they usually say yes but they have to be asked first!

Good luck with it anyway!

As the posters say bred and not mated I think they are in USA where there is no restriction with AI. Semen of long deceased dog can be used in special circumstances with advance application.

Our KC in the UK will not register pups from two UK resident dogs if AI is used, and imported semen can only be used with permission first. Also the dog must have sired pups naturally in his home country.

But Admin said they were in the UK, Brainless...

Many people would say that if dogs cannot mate naturally, they are no good for the breed, so take them out of your breeding program!

Are you in the UK?

yes

Oh dear. :(
I hope you've got KC permission for the AI? If not, you're breaking KC regs (if you intend to register the pups, that is) and deceiving the future owners....

Sorry to be a prophet of doom, but the only incidence I know of using (homespun) AI resulted in deformed puppies :-(

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats

obviously everybody has got different opinions about A.I. But please understand this was not a discision we came to easily.The stud dog that we chose to use has got an excellent pedigree (like the bitch) so felt we had tried everything else possible.If nothing happens this time we will do our research again to find an equally excellent stud dog.
Thank you for all opinions given. Julie

So will you be informing the Kennel Club?

I have already spoken to the KC,this really isn't as big an issue as you might think.I feel that as long as you have sought the right advice and followed the guidelines the KC are fine.Is there anyone out there with positive points to back me up?????

If the KC have given you written permission, then fine.

But you will be explaining to the potential owners why it was done, won't you (it has to be on the registration document)? It's just that if I were buying a puppy that I might want to breed from in the future, I wouldn't be overjoyed to discover it came from a bloodline that contained reluctance to breed....
Just my opinion.

In my opinion patience is a virtue!!

Your bitch is only now on day 14 and could well not be ready for another two or three days. I think you have jumped the gun.

I would only consider AI as a very last resort and then only if it was the dog at fault not the bitch.

If a bitch is ready and ovulating it is very unusual for then not to at least allow the dog to mount, if she is not even letting him come near then to me this is natures way of saying this mating should not happen at this time. If a bitch arrive here to be mated then I would advise the owner to come back every 2 days until she would stand and if she wasn't willing to stand at all then I would suggest that they have here checked out for internal problems!!!

Thank you for your comments. The problem WAS with the stud dog. The bitch was standing for him but not much was happening.We sought advice from various proffessional people,some of which came to see where we might be going wrong.The bitch was examined internally and the stud dog was also examined.The bitch then had a swab taken which told us she was ovulating,so then we had 3 days to try mating again with no success. You are correct when you say it might not work but will we have lost anything???????

Why not just wait till the next season? Why would you want to use a stud dog that is reluctant to mate with your bitch? Persoanlly, I would have let nature take its course and found another stud... but thats just my opinion. I hope for your sake that nature wasn't trying to tell you something - and I hope you get a healthy litter with no complications.

Chloe

Sorry but from your first post I was under the impression that it was the bitch who was at fault.

You said:

we have got a maiden english bull terrier. she is on day 12 and will not let the stud dog come anywhere near her. Has anyone got any advice?

We can only comment on what you post on here!

IMO Opinion unless it is for very valid reasons (i.e. dog living overseas, etc.) AI is not the way to go with dogs. It is a tool used by the farming community to produce farming stock!!!! I think that to open the doors for AI to be used on a regular basis would be opening a can of worms, which could be abused.

This story has changed a lot, Lady D. :(
I now think it must be a wind-up.

Makes you think that way doesn't it.

:-(

I can't believe that anyone would so blatantly flout KC rules, lie about it, and be utterly unrepentant. Surely nobody is that stupid and deceitful?
:(

i'm sorry if i have confused you but when i sent my first post in my bitch wouldn't stand,obviosly because she wasnt ready.After the swab was taken(the next day) the vet said that she was just ready and that we had 3 days to decide what to do.The whole procedure was undertaken by a fully qualified vet in very sterile conditions. Again i'm sorry if people are confused about what i have said.And i am certainly not winding anyone up.This has been a very stressful time for us,however we still feel that we have came to the right decision(for us anyway) Hope this clears things up.Apologetically Julie xx

Fine, as long as you aren't going to register the pups (if any).

Cant see why the use of AI would cause genetic malformations. Sperm is sperm is sperm after all.

If the sperm had been supplied naturally(ahem) then the results would have been the same. And the dogs would not I would imagine be able to spot genetic flaws in each other and thus be reluctant to mate.

The method of delivery is somewhat different though...

I had assumed, maybe wrongly, that the malformations were due to incorrect handling of sperm - maybe some form of pollutants in the equipment. Of course, the problems may have been inherent anyhow, which is maybe why they had a problem breeding.

Jo and the Casblaidd Flatcoats

That's interesting, Jo - I hadn't thought of non-sterile equipment being a cause of problems - it's so obvious, isn't it! That must be why the person taking the semen sample and doing the insemination must be authorised and qualified. The average dog owner (unless a vet or similar) simply isn't good enough.

This may happen. Although I think that it would be very unlikely that a viable sperm may be genteically damaged by any external pollutants and still remain viable. More likely that the fault was there in the first place and just an unhappy coincidence that this happened.

I tried to breed my bitch for 2 seasons but the 1st time the stud had no interest in her and she stood for him, The 2nd time she would flirt but at the end of it she didn't want to know. the last season we said we would try one last time with a different stud, who belonged to a friend of ours, He took Millie for 3 days who was quite happy to go, After all there was only one thing on her mind, and they tied twice but not until the 16th and the 18th day I am now expecting a litter in the next couple of weeks, So if your patient they will do it if they want it! After all your next season is only six months away! So I have to agree with Chole on this one!

i have a bitch who had produced a litter before we got her but when we took her to stud failed to take on two heats so we missed a year .Idont like the method of holding the bitch to me its like rape if she is not ready ,she is not ready now we allow her to run with the stud and they do it when she wants also with some privacey and we have had a litter of 14 and a litter of 10.i will never force mate a bitch again

Just out of interest, who advised you to do AI, and on what day was it done?
My bitch would never stand before day 14, and for her last litter wasn't ready till day 18! So unless you know for certain that she's ovulated the AI won't work!

We were advised by a couple of different breeders to try A.I. The A.I was done on day 14 and the reason it was done on day 14 was because on day 13 a swab was taken which informed us that she was already ovulating,that gave us until day 15 to do something.Just curious, what dogs do you breed??

Dalmatians.

How about you?

I've just downloaded the AI Application Form, out of curiosity. Detailed, isn't it? The Person authorised to extract the semen has to be Qualified!

What reason did you give for the procedure on the form (because as you know from contacting the KC it is mandatory to have prior permission before this is performed), as it clearly states that "permission will not normally be given if both sire and dam are domiciled in the UK."