Me again this cav seems to have a real problem in my eyes he contantly whines when out walking in bed while we eat and he is in the kitchen behind a gate need i go on anyway he seems to dig at the sofa walls gate whilst the whining continues he is very restless as he never settles down like most dogs always runnning around almost jumps in your mouth if you eat or drink in front of him he acts like he is never fed and even straight after eating his own meals help me please the vet says its just he is taking the puppy stage on and on instead of slowly growing out of it

Going by your other thread, he sounds to me like he is hungry and is seriously missing something in his diet. I don't know anything about colitis, but I would say that raw mince does not have nearly enough nutrients for a growing puppy. He sounds like he needs a fully belly and a long rest... I would try him with NatureDiet as someone suggested - and see another vet :)

Hi he was on naturediet before hand and he still acted as if he were starved he was 4mnths then and was on 3/4 of a tray and still scavanging badly

Hi, OK - couple of questions:

1. Whats his daily diet
2. Has he been wormed recently

These will help people give you better advice :)

Hi chloe yes he has been wormed and his daily diet is
breakfast at 8 half a pack of frozen chicken or fish ect
and just yesterday im adding a small lunch of bakers complete chicken and veg
the around 7 he has the other half of the frozen mince along with a few treats now and again as i have to be carefull with what he eats

Ok - at four months I would still have him on 4 meals a day... but, like I say, I don't know wnough to recommend a good diet to you - but there will be more people along shortly :)

Remind me again (I'm being a durr!!) how old the puppy is?

Hunger is not a typical symptom of colitis, as the inflammation is in the lower bowel (where the water in the gut is reabsorbed) not where the digestion and absorption of nutrients takes place.

Some dogs are very sensitive to the colouring in many foods, including Baker's, so that may be making him hyper.

Do you think it could be a medical problem as to why he is like this he is so so so scatty never had a dog like it before doesnt listen to a word you say and he is mounting my 4 year old all the time i have stressed to him its unnacceptable but he carries on anyway

Its difficult to say without seeing him, but I would have to say initially he sounds like a normal puppy... although I don't know much about cavaliers. I would tackle his doet first because that can cause a wealth of problems, and then increase his training. What does his breeder say?

To be honest his breeder i didnt like and was no help to me whatsoever when i got him home he bled from the rear for about 5 weeks she told me it was a cav thing but i wasnt happy so off to the vets i went and colitis she said it was she gave a anti inflammatory injection to bring the inflamed bowel down and antibiotics and this diet without the bakers from then on i have problem after problem

If it was me, I'd have him on something a bit more substantial... I think he would settle down a lot then.... Can you take him to another vet?

I can do but i have tried two and they both are about the same the one im with at the moment has a high interest in cavs so i thought she would be ideal obviously i was wrong what would you feed and when and how much sorry to keep asking but you dont get unless you ask :)

How much does he weigh?

It sounds as if he's getting enough protein, but how much carbohydrate is he getting? This is what will give him a feeling of fullness, and help stop him scavenging. Boiled rice, or mashed potato are good and bland (fed to the same volume as the protein).

Edited to add: I would certainly have him on at least 3 meals a day, maybe 4, till this has sorted out.

I agree... I'd probably feed him eggs too (although I would check the effect with colitis), and rice pudding...

I would be looking to feed him breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper... :)

Hi he weighs aroud 16lb maybe a bit more i am worried about him becoming overweight as he is supposed to weigh 18lb fully grown but i will give the mased potatoes and eggs a whirl see if theres a change in him thanks

The quantity of food may be fine, but it wants splitting up into smaller meals. If he has digestive problems anyway smaller meals more often witll be better for him for a start. Also live natural yogurt (about a tablespoonful on his meals often is good for setling his stomach.

Was he checked for Giardia, it is a parasitic organism that can give long bouts of the runs, especially in puppies, but can be killed by using Panacur wormer at an increased dosing and timeing level, best advised by the vet. The preseence of this can be confirmed by the vet checking a stool sample. Normal routine worming won't shift it.

Avoid any foods with colouting added (like the Bakers), dogs don't need it, and sensitive ones can react badly.

The breeder certainly should have been more helpful. I would suggest that if you ever buy a pup again, if you don't like and get a good vibe from the breeder then you should walk away, as they should be your most valued resource regarding your puppy.

Hi
My cavalier puppy, Saffron, is 7 months old now, and has 1/3rd pack Naturediet for breakfast, about 7am.
At lunchtime, about 1pm, she has a couple of baby bonios, or Shape biscuits.
At teatime, about 6pm, she has another meal of Naturediet, but a couple of spoons less than at breakfast.
Just before she goes to bed, she has a James Wellbeloved Crackerjack...( a sort of ricey type of non-additive/preservative biscuit.)

I've had cavaliers for 20 + years, and although some of them can be fussy eaters, most are extremely greedy, and would eat until they're sick! (That's one reason why so many of them, mine included, over the years, end up on Hills RD to lose weight!)

I've never heard that constant upset tummies and colitis is a "cavalier" thing though. I would ask your vet if you could try gradually putting him back on Naturediet for a couple of weeks. All 3 of mine are doing well on it, even the old girl, who used to occasionally get a funny tum if she had anything out of the ordinary.

Hope you get it sorted

Sami

edited to take out a bit about "mouthing"....happybunny's pup is MOUNTING not mouthing!!! Lol

As you've had cavs for years can you remember any of them being ever so hyper he wont listen to a single command and as i said wont leave my four year old alone he gets plenty of excercise and food 3/4 pack of naturediet is that ok its just someone said he needs more carbohydrates mashed potatoes its getting us all down as he has gone back to whining at 4am for nothing at all and scratching my house to bits in the process i did expect chewing ect but he is very scatty i mean very scatty never sits down and relaxes only from about 12midnight till as i said 4am

Hi
Yep, we had a hyper one...her name was Jasmine. She was a beautiful tri colour, and from the day we collected her, she was a whinger. She screamed on the lead, ran around the house like a looney, and was always "on guard" against imaginary things.
My husband refused to ever drive her anywhere...I used to take her in my car...'cos she yelped and whinged all the way there and all the way back.
She would run from door to door barking at cars going past in the close, kids playing, anyone daring to walk past our house. I do sympathise, 'cos it drives you mad.
She would bark hysterically at someone in the distance when out for a walk. She was beautiful to look at, but a real embarrasment. I had stared to "train" her...too late, I admit, early last year, by using some of the Jan Fennel Dog Listener techniques, and she was begining to get better.
Unfortunately, she hated fireworks, and whilst belting backwards and forward last November 5th, barking at every firework that she heard, she ruptured a disc in her back. She had emergency surgery, but didn't recover from the anaesthetic through the 5 hour operation.

She was just 5 years old.

We used to tell her she would come to a sticky end with all her "hyperness".....unfortunately that's just what happened.

If your pup is under 5 months, Naturediet recommend their Puppy Diet, and I think 3/4 of a pack is about the right amount. Have you thought of taking him to a clicker training class every week?

For the first time ever, and to avoid another "Jasmine" personality, we have taken our new pup to classes since she was 12 weeks old. She is the most laid back, obedient cavalier we have ever had. I'm sure if I had known what I know now, I could have avoided all the problems with Jasmine.

Good luck, sorry post was so long!

Sami
(edited for spelling)

Sorry to hear about jasmine although things like fireworks and the barking he doesnt do its just the general scatty things he does mainly the whinging and scratching at the walls and of course being an absoloute PIG he is nearly 8 mnths old and if i try naturediet again how much do you feed saffron aas he is always hungry

Hi
I posted what I feed Saffy a bit earlier in this thread.

She would eat more if I let her.As I said before, most of my cavaliers, past and present, were real gannets!

Perhaps we should introduce Saffy to your pup....they could keep each other occupied!
(Actually, Saffy has Poppy, who is 16 months old, to play with all the time here, and although it's twice as much work having 2 youngsters, it's also twice as much fun, for them and us!)

I'm sure it will sort itself out soon, and your cavalier be what you wanted him to be!

Sami

Hi sami thanks again i hope he does turn out the way i hoped he would its just disheartning when they seem a bit nuts (saying that the kids are too maybeethats why freddie is(:)

DO you think i should have him neutured as i dont intend to breed him he is a family pet or at least thats what we had in mind when and if he ever calms down many thanks sami :)

Oh and thanyou so much for your advice chloe its all been took on board :)

So the constant crying and whining and scratching you think could be due to this?

Its difficult to tell really.. it could be many things, lack of balanced diet, needing more training, craving more attention...

Puppies are such hard work, and some are even harder than others! What sort of a routine do you have him in? Hows the house training going? I think you probably need to look at the whole thing broadly and try and see the world through his eyes... I often liken a puppy to a new baby - it often feels the same ;)

Chloe

He was easily housetrained and never wet or pood in the house so on that score he has been brilliant normal routine really im home all day because of the kids so hes never or shouldnt be craving attention and bedtime in my house is regular too although he has just started after having run of the hall and kitchen for mnths crying around 4am and its not to go to the loo either just for me to stay downstairs and he wakes the kids so i have to come down i cant ignore the behaviour do they go backwards for a while as he started off like this when i first had him

OK, just being with him or having him around you might not be enough at this age - do you do any training with him? It is a difficult age and he will calm down, but at the moment you need to make him use his mind because that will naturally tire him out... You might already be doing this... but if not, it could be causing him to whine...

Is he out and about on walks yet?

Chloe

Yes i am doing training with him every day and he does go for walks long and short depending on weather he doesnt care for the rain he turns round to run home bless!! today i tried the feeding him 3-4 times a day with mashed potatoes and fish for lunch and it did seem to stop the whining today but he was still scavanging early days yet i know but fingers crossed it will work

Hi,

Can I ask what colour he is, I have found from personal experience and also from training/behaviour clients, that Ruby (Solid Red) cavaliers are more difficult than the other colours.

I got mine at about 8 months (destined for a show dog, but head was too small), she was very difficult and didn't always do as she was told, but wasthe biggest PIG you have ever met. She did very well in obedience, helped greatly by the fact that she was do anything for a piece of food!! :D

Many people I have spoken to who have Cavs, have said the Rubies can be more difficult, maybe the person (sorry, terrible for remembering names :) ) who has had Cavs for many years, could clarify this, or otherwise!!

Cavs are very people orientated and he may want attention, they love to be with you and have been known to winge a bit if left out of things.

manda
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Hi manda
I've got 2 Rubies, and if you read my posting about "Old Dog on Holiday" on the general board, you will see the problem we have had last weekend with Cherry...a 13 year old Ruby!

Obstinent wasn't the word! The younger Ruby, Poppy, is going through the "terrible Teenager" stage, and gets selective deafness when she doesn't take a blind bit of notice of anything I say. My 7 month old Blenheim, Saffy, is a darling.....so laid back and willing to please.

We have had 8 cavaliers since 1980, and currently have 3, and every one of them was different.

At one time I had all 4 colours. I think a lot depends on the breeding....and luck. (All mine were "pets"...I have never shown or bred.) I was chatting to Saffy's breeder this week,(who said I should take Saffy to ringcraft and try her in a small show, as she actually could have been sold to "show",) and she said every one of that litter, 7 in all, had the same lovely personality.
Sami

Hi manda he is a blenheim