having had a fabulous day yesterday at birmingham i didnt get around to posting this-but yesterday we had the puppy i bred at her very first show, shes 7 month just turned and loves everyone and everything, on walking up the ringside a schnauzer male flew out and grabbed her by the face, punctured her muzzle just below her eye, which needed veterinary treatment, --the owner if this "SHOWDOG" , was shocking, telling us wed got to near to her male , not apologetic at all, one idiot was after seeing it all was actually laughing , as if it where no big deal, were lucky in that the pup has such a good temperament that she did come around although reluctant to pass any schnauzers, -should dogs with temperaments like this be shown-bred from ? a mature male attacking a 7 month puppy bitch because his owner thought she got too near?? we did go to the secs office about it, on the way back from the vets,

I posted on a similar topic a couple of weeks ago and in my opinion no dog that shows UNPROVOCATED aggression should be at a show.We all pay our money and deserve to feel that we and our dogs are safe in an environment that we attend for enjoyment.
No breed standard requires this kind of temperment and so IMHO they are not good examples of the breed.
I know I am new to showing but I would never take a dog with a bad temperament to a show even though I only keep a couple of dogs and not showing one would mean limiting my show options.
Don't mean to upset anyone but this is the way I feel-I think dogs have a bad enough reputation in certain circles and surely at a champ show unwarranted aggression is hardly an example we want to project since these dogs are supposed to be the 'ultimate' examples of dogdom.
Archer

I would have taken this further . I would be furious !!! I would also be shocked if it was my dog that had done the biting .

It was reported. as it obviously wasnt a first time, and had a non too careful or sorry owner

So sorry Dizzy to hear of this awful trauma to happen to your puppy, I think any dog of whatever breed should be banned from shows, with aggressive temperaments, I attended an open show at Newark last weekend and two incidents occurred with an Akita, in the Best in show ring, and an Irish and English setter around the breed ring, resulting a woman being taken away in an ambulance where she was knocked over by the fighting dogs.
My own dogs have in the past been attacked by other aggressive dogs, resulting in KC being contacted, to no avail I am afraid, just a letter telling owner to keep there dog under proper control, which did not appease me at all.

I hope you pup does not get any hang ups from this ordeal, my dog was very wary for a few shows after he had been attacked, but he did eventually get over it, with lots of TLC.

Charm

i agree with you--ive shown over 20 years now, first breed rotties and no-one has ever had one of mine fly at there ever!!!!! id not consider owning or breeding from a nasty dog,

Hi Dizzy,
I too would be furious, I do not think that dogs that show this type of aggression at shows should be allowed to be shown, especially unprovoked, luckily your little girl has a super temperament and hopefully this will not have affected her. I think the reaction of the owner is disgusting I would have been horrified if it had been my dog. The owner obviously knew what her dog was like to say to you that you had got to close to her male, how many times has it happened previously, surely this dog is not safe to be shown. I have rotties and mine have always had superb temperaments and never shown any aggression, but imagine what would have happened had it been a rottie that had bitten. Hope your little girl is okay.

Kiera x

i do not show dogs of any discription, but ive always thought of show dogs as excellent representatives of there breed, in both looks an behaviour. is your pup ok now?

I very much agree on this one, it seems there is too much emphasis on the way a dog looks and not much else. Temprement and being physically able to do the job they were bred for seems to have gone out of the window not forgetting some people's manners. Don't get me wrong there are many people who breed and show with the breeds best interest at heart but there are also a lot of people who's only interest is there own glory and winning :-(

Sorry to hear that your day was ruined by some arrogant, rude person.
Clair

This happened to me whilst at the side the ring of a breed sometimes known for not being too tolerant of other breeds..I was avoiding them when some dame with 3 Basenji's lunged at Mia..... she never even turned to look, let alone apologise! Likewise at Crufts last year, a Golden flew off it's bench to go for Mia...sometimes she'll not be 100% confident with the breed now and this is from a very "cocky" bitch.

ive just realised the puppy was entered in my name although is now owned by someone else, so ive written the sec giving her the details she asked for earlier when first reported, and the owners and dogs name, hopefully something might get done,

I'm glad that you put a complaint in, they deserve it especially as they didn't seem to care that their dog went for another one. I wouldn't be so angry if it was a one off incident and you could tell that the person was really upset about it, but by the sounds of things this is something that the owners are used too!

Am I alone in thinking that it's not so surprising this occurred in a room of full blooded intact males? Not all breeds are dog friendly, in my breed the emphasis is on 'people' friendly. Dogs, whether they be show or not, are pack animals. Some have less sophisticated instincts. I fully understand your anger toward the owner, I would've been livid. If you choose to show a breed thats known for a trend to dislike other dogs, then you have a responsibility to control the dog. How on earth that owner can expect people to have pyschic powers enabling them the ability to 'know' his dog needs a wide berth is beyond me.
I'd try my best not to judge the breed, but firmly blame the owners lack of skill/intellect.
I hope the puppy gets over this incident, the poor thing.

it was outside going up between two rings to the benching area, her dog was sat infront of her, nothing was eyeballing it or kicking off anywhere, yet he flew out and attacked a puppy bitch quietly passing by, and continued flying out at others through the day, i do understand males as i have owned rotts that where also used at stud, but this wasnt a closed in area where two males where sizing each other up, this owners dog has a shocking temperament and should as far as im concerned be castrated and kept at home for the good of the breed [AND OTHERS PASSING BY]

This happened to one of my crew.
He was a pup a the time and got grabbed in the testi's by a flatcoat ( sorry flatcoat owners ) Charlie as you can imagine has never been the same since and i can't show him now , due to being terrified of dogs behind him.
it was reported but nothing was ever done about it.

Peanuts

how awful-im not suprised hes not happy with anything behind him, were going to keep the puppy out for a week or so then take her to a show hoping shed be ok, --fingers crossed

Well said Taffy! Owning Staffies I would totally agree with you. Not the most friendlest of dogs with other dogs but not a problem with a reponsible owner. Only too often the wrong sort of person has one and spoils it for the rest of us.

Sadie