i am desperately searching for a British bulldog, male or female, any colour, show quality or kc reg not important as for pet home only and must be fairly cheap. Amazing home awaits in swansea. Willing to travel anywhere in uk. Please contact me if you have any info on leighton_godrich@msn.com or 07984 428586. thanx

Hi Leighton , have you been for a look here : All Things Bulldog? There is a list of breeders as well as contact details for Clubs. I doubt very much if you will get one cheap though ;)

HTH

Melody :)

try getting in touch with the kennel club, as they keep a list of registered breed rescues, but be prepared for the fact that the majority of rescue dogs have been given up as a result of problems that are difficult or expnsive like behavioural or health issues. also get in touch with breeders who will maybe know of older ex show dogs or breeding dogs looking for good homes to retire to.

whether you want one for show or just a pet.......bulldogs are very exspensive.

me and my husband have recentley brought a bulldog puppy,and there is no such thing as a cheap one,have you tried contacting the various bulldog clubs that exist in the uk?,there are many of them,someone from a bulldog club may beable to put you in touch with a breeder,but as there are many people willing to pay top prices for this lovely breed of dog you may well find yourself in for a very long wait.my hubby and i paid £1500 for our dog,so i doubt very much that your search will be a rewarding one,
contact the kennel club who can put you in touch with some of the bulldog clubs around the uk.but i am sure that you wont get one for less than a £1000.but however i hope your search is indeed a lucky one.

£1500!!! I thought my dane was expensive at £800!

Why so expensive I wonder? I love Bulldogs and I wanted one in the future - best start saving! :D

£1500 is the price at the moment. i have had people willing to pay up to £2000 for one !!!!. have just been contacted by a couple who have been searching for over a year. as i said in earlier post.....whether you want to show or just for a pet.........the price is the same.

I have to say that I am shocked though - that is an awful lot of money for a dog...

Why do they fetch so much money, is it a case of breeders charging that much because they can and people are willing to pay it? Or are there a lot of additional costs in raising a bulldog litter? Am not being critical, just interested :)

I have read somewhere(and please corect me if I am wrong)that Bulldogs always have to have c sections due to the size of their heads.Perhaps that is why they are so expensive?

I know c-sections are a lot of money, but £1,500 - £2,000 PER puppy is extreme surely.

sound slike a license to print money for unethical breeders (which you get in every breed admittedly!)

Sounds to me like robbery.. JMHO of course.

Don't I could be convinced of any argurement on this one. If there was some huge medical procedure which I would doubt would still justify these costs then I would really question my choice.

Good luck in your search..

Pam

I think I read it on a previous thread about breeds that are inherantly unhealthy.Bulldogs always need c sections and have very small litters.I am no expert and am only repeating what someone else said.But that would go some way to explain it.Perhaps there are very few breeders?

Hi Hazel,

I am not 100% sure about the breed at all, just my thoughts on the prices.

(a bit of tougue in cheek really ) but

My breed is westies and they generally are about average 4 per litter KC average. ( although some recent litters I have heard were larger) they to can sometimes require C-sections but at that cost you could buy the whole litter LOL.. prices averaging from £400-£550.

Certainly bulldogs have a high rate of caesarians - but there are several lines which are self-whelping. Don't know the average litter size, though.

bulldogs can have anything from one pup to ten. they always need a c section. they are also notoriously hard to breed. you can lose mum and pups during delivery.they also need 24/7 care . bullys have to be cleaned every day......face wrinkles.....bum......:o...my fist cost £950 (she hadnt had her first vaccination). my second £1200. mums cant be bred more than once a year. they are very hard to find as you have found out.....so i cant see anyone doing it just for the money lol....they would be in for a big shock!.

"they always need a c section. they are also notoriously hard to breed."

Could mother nature be trying to tell you something then?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

I cant just sit here and read all this talk about what is right and what is wrong, BULLDOGS do not always have a c.sec my partners bitch had three litters all self whelped 10 in first 10 in second 8 in third then she was spayed and is boss of all. Ihave one of her daughters and she whelp alitter of 6,the rearing of them is hard because you must be with them around the clock you cant leave them with the Dam she would sit on them? i sleep down stairs for the first five weeks to make sure my pups survive i know all good breeders do the same? bull pups can some times take to much milk and you have to be there to help them as this will cause pneumonia and thats the end of a pup, so we sit and watch every hour on the hour and hopfully we end up with great healthy pups, and yes they are healthy, its when you sell a pup and you tell the new what they should or shouldnt do for the sake of the pups well being and they take no damn notice and then you get a call my puppy is lame ! it is not always us breeders that are to blame, Some of us try very hard to breed good strong stock,as for the price i think they are worth it, but each to there own. regards to all you bullie owners keep flying the flagxxxxxxxxxx

I think that people should stop generalising about the breed. Unless you own a bulldog you will really not appreciate what wonderful dogs they are. Not all bulldogs need C sections. As far as the price of bulldogs is concerned I paid £1250.00 for my youngest bulldog and she is worth every penny. We do not intend to breed her, she is merely a pet. Does it really matter how much they cost, anyone really wanting this breed will pay the going rate for them. If people don-t want to spend that much then they should look at another breed. They are the most wonderful gorgeous loving dogs you could ever meet, they also have the most amazing personalities and I feel that the breed is always given such a hard time. People say that they suffer from all these additional medical problems due to their breeding but I have not encountered this.

Hi Jmo
I think the point being is that everybody loves thier own breed! and would pay what was asked to have one, but what justification is there for charging that high a price? it is double if not triple the price of other pedigree dogs and if the reason for them being so expensive is because of problems associated with whelping and breeding them then then it does beg the question as to wether or not it is ethical,
and I hate to sound rude but while people like you come along and will pay silly amounts of money for one (and im not doubting that in your eyes its money well spent) then the breeders can charge what they like

So do you think that people wanting a labrador for example should pay the going rate - even if breeders start charging £1000? But where would it end? There's already enough money to be made out of breeding my unethical breeders.

You are justifying the amount you paid for your pup, which is fair enough... but my point is still that I fail to see how charging £2K for a dog can be seen as anything other than capitalising on demand.

If a bulldog has a litter of 10 pups, self whelped with no interference, thats 20K for the breeder - for ten weeks work. Even if that breeder is with them day in day out for 5 weeks, I fail to see the difference between that and any other responsible breeder who is only charging say £600 for their pups. Are they really all only doing it for the love of the dogs? If so, why not charge less?

What about people who could provide an excellent home for a bulldog, but simply can't afford that sort of money... is the Bulldog only a dog for rich people?

Am not starting an argument, just trying to understand :)
Chloe

It's very rare that a bulldog would produce ten pups and if people like me are "stupid enough" to pay top money for a top quality dog then let us get on with it. Should people wish to buy a bulldog but cannot afford it then there is always the rescue centre but you usually find that because people have wanted a bulldog for so long, that the centre will have very few as this breed has such a loyal following that people will devote whatever time and money it takes to correct a problem should one occur

You talk of unethical breeders and I have yet to come across one in the bulldog world. The breeders I know are the most compassionate people you will ever meet and are genuinely interested in the breed and improving it. I doubt very much whether someone would invest all their time and effort into researching the breed and the love and care that they devote to the breed, in return for a couple of thousand pounds, once vetinary fees etc have been taken out of the equation.

As you have said people will always defend their favoured breed, yet I do feel that the bulldog is given a harder time than any breed I know.

I don't recall using the words "stupid enough" anywhere in my posts.

Last time I looked, this was a dog discussion board, and personally, I find this an interesting topic as I had no idea they cost this much.

I have to say though, that perhaps a percentage of purchasers like the fact that they have a dog that most of us couldn't afford... and thats why the prices have been allowed to creep up. As yet, I have to be honest, there's been no justification in such a hike in price for a well bred bulldog compared to a well bred Dalmatian (for example).

but that sounds like the potential problems in raising a litter from any breed... no bitch should be bred from more than once a year, you can lose pups and mums in any breed and all pups need 24/7 care and cleaning.

it honestly sounds to me that its a case of demand outstripping supply, so "how much can we get away with charging"....

I have been talking to ex- Bulldog breeders here and they told me that they even had to lift the dog onto the bitch for mating as the dog was not able to jump up himself. :(

Taylor

!!!!!!!!.........:rolleyes:..:rolleyes:.....

hi taylor,
in reply to your enquiry,breeding bulldogs takes three strong people,it isnt a question of the male dog not being able to jump up,breeding bulldogs has to be assisted because the bitch could possibly be in danger of being crushed by the dog being on top of her because of their wieght and stength,and you really couldnt put two strange bulldogs in a room together,for fear of them possibly ripping each other to pieces.
so for the above reasons it has to be assisted,hence another reason why they are so expensive,so i hope as an owner of these dogs,and reading up on them and talking to the various bulldog clubs that i did before purchasing one this has given you more of an insight into these wonderful dogs.

I'm sorry the statements you've made make me think that maybe bulldogs shouldn't be bred anymore. I doubt whether a female bulldog would be 'crushed' by a male, after all female elephants cope very well with males nearly twice their size on their back so I doubt if a bulldog would suffer too badly. I think you'll find its the conformation of a bulldog that has created these problems, conformation which has been created by breeders. And as for fearing that they may rip each other apart then what on earth are you doing breeding from dogs who are prepared to fight despite their hormones telling them to get rather cosy? If the temperament of a dog was that bad I wouldn't be breeding from them full stop.
Bec

hi bec,
well dear you obviously have not done your homework,im sure there are bulldog breeders reading this,and would agree that breeding these dogs always has to be assisted,as due to the shortness of their noses,a five stone strong healthy dog left alone with a bitch on heat would in most cases be dangerous,assisted breeding in bulldogs are rules of the kennel club(i am led to belive)i am not a breeder i just own them,but breeding them i happen to know a little about as me and my husband have looked into it,and after all we know we find that its perhaps more trouble than it is worth for us personaly.
our dogs have had no health problems,as yet anyway.
and as for your comments about the temprements of these dogs i think you are way off the mark here,i am sure if you had got someone holding you so a big strong dog could mount you,i am sure that you would loose a little patience,i have the feeling that you feel that these dogs are dangerous,and i know if this is the case you couldnt be more wrong.
they are the most loyal,loving,faithful dog anyone could ever own,in fact i have never heard of a bulldog who has personaly been nasty towards people,theres a site called bulldog rescue on the internet,and if you read what the site has to say as regards to breeding them,i am sure that all my facts are straight.
and if you talked to various clubs and breeders of bulldogs i am sure that i would be backed up 100%.
and as for elephants they are not pets in peoples homes!i am sure if they were allowed to be, breeding in regards to their safety would more than likely be another issue,when elephants are kept in zoos and parks i am sure the natural way of perhaps breeding them does not take place,it is more than likely done artificialy as the safety of the animals is an absolute MUST!
so with regards to breeding bulldogs i rest my case.

Hi Manny,
A five-stone male??!!! He's overweight! Doesn't the KC standard say 55lb for males - that's just under 4 stone. No wonder he's having problems.

And I think bulldogs are wonderful and would love one.
:)

"mums cant be bred from more than once a year"

That applies to any breed and any good breeder wouldnt want to breed more than once a year! even after a normal birth never mind when the poor girls had a c-section!
I am afraid I agree with admin that mother nature is definatley trying to tell us something here!

hi chloe,
me and my husband own four dogs at the moment,and i agree that £1500 is a lot of money to pay for a dog,but it really depends on how badly you wish to purchace a particualar breed of dog.
the breeder of our bulldog was faced with many problems,mom had to have a c-section (although this is not always the case i know of other people that breed bulldogs and are self whelpers) she had 10 puppies 3 of which were born dead and two of which she lost two days after on christmas day.
the mother of the puppies did not did not come home from the vets until a week after the puppies were born,by then her milk had dried up and she could not whelp the pups.
so the breeder of our dog had the joy of raising the five remaining pups herself around the clock until they were weaned.so i take my hat off to all the breeders of bulldogs because if thats how much heartache they bring when having litters,im sorry but i could not do it,and wouldnt even consider doing so.
i know other breeders are faced with simualar situations,but knowing what i know about bulldogs(and i am still learning!)owners of these dogs are sometimes faced with harsher problems when it comes to breeding them.even if our dog had been £3000 i still would have paid it,as i my opinion he still would have been well worth every penny.
i belive the breeder when she told us that she had made little profit from breeding because of the problems she had encountered,but as i said earlier if anyone wants something badly enough,you pay it without asking questions.
my husband always says if you got to ask you cant afford it..........lol

Hi Manny

Thanks for that. I honestly do think its a case of breeders charging what they can get away with, after all, if they know they can get £1500 then they are going to ask for it... the problem is that there is nothing to stop the amount increasing and being pushed up by people who are greedy. While there are still people prepared to pay that kind of money, then the prices will keep rising, so where does it end?

My issue is that for every "assisted" litter being raised (with the complications you described) there is no doubt one that is fairly easy, raised with no problems with ten healthy pups each fetching 1.5-2K! And sods law its the unethical breeder that gets it :rolleyes:

Chloe :)

Surely if the breeders charge that much they at least know that their dogs are going to people who REALLY want one!!!
I cant imagine there are that many people who could afford £2k on a whim.
(or at least I hope not cos otherwise I'm really poor)

Know nothing about breeding but I think I would find it reassuring.

Hi,
This is a very interesting subject.Are there any other breeds which cost this much?do they have similer problems or is it just the rareaty of the breed?It just interests me why some breeds cost so much more than others.I realise that some would have much larger litters than others but if 2 similer breeds(size of dog,litter etc) got vastly different prices what would the reason be?For instance why would a Boxer be more expensive than a labrador?I know Labs are very common(numericly) but boxers can't be that far behind?
I agree with the poster that if you have to ask you can't afford and would have paid anything for my new puppy but I am very interested in the pricing system and how it works.
Hazel

Hi Rachel

I see your point, but you have to weigh up, in my opinion, whether or not people are being exploited.... some could say that if someone is daft enough to pay up to £3000 for a dog then thats their look out...(talking generally here)

My question is - are bulldog breeders charging a reasonable price for their puppies, or are they charging what they can get away with charging because they know that there will always be people who pay it. And if so... doesn't that make them an unethical breeder because they are being more commercial than concerned about the dogs welfare (in continuing to breed a dog that experiences a lot of problems in whelp).

Its just a discussion point - nothing personal to anyone :)
Chloe

Hi,
I find it strange that when alot of people meet me with my puppy one of the first things they ask is how much he cost.I even had a vet I know say how silly to pay that and I should have got a rescue dog.It amazes me what people think is an unreasanable price.People pay thousands for IVF when they can't have children and although I am not comparing the two it does seem wierd that anyone would not want to pay much to at the end of the day add another member to the family.
I am not justifying the amount the bulldog costs -I am no expert!but find it interesting why different dogs vary so much in price.????and what people find resonable........

I sometimes think they ask how much my dog cost me so they can go off and mutter about how mad I must be!! :D

Seriously, I think, as in everything, there has to be a ceiling. It usually comes naturally, and at some point all but the total die-hard breed lovers will not tolerate such high prices... which is a shame, cos in theory it could be detrimental to the breed and could deter many really good homes.

I love my puppy, but i wouldn't have paid any mroe than I did for him. And I honestly don't think you can compare buying a dog with IVF (i know you said you aren't specifically). With IVF you are securing your family lines and paying to help you have a child, which, IMO is priceless.

Hi Chloe,
Yes I agree it isn't comparable at all but you are still adding to your family for maybe 15 years so to me the cost was way down on the list of priorities.It is just very interesting to see peoples attitudes.Also as I have a pedigree dog everyone assumes I would know what every breed would cost!!
I supose it interested me reading this post as it is something I get asked about alot(why is everyone so obsessed with how much everything costs?)Anyway I wonder if the original poster was expecting all this and if they ever manage to find a puppy??
Hazel

Hi Hazel

I guess I'm just cynical. I think that when prices get so high that some breeders could be taking advantage. Thats why its important to set your limits.

Yes, the poor poster - what a debate - tis very interesting though!

Chloe

THANK GOD THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WILL DEFEND BULLDOGS AND THERE BREEDERS! BEGGINING TO THINK I WAS THE ONLY ONE !!!!!!!!.

Can you take your CAPS LOCK off please. It makes your posts very hard to read. Thank you

Hi,
We still don't know WHY they cost so much more than other pedigrees.I am not critisising but there must be a reason?
Hazel

What does it matter if you want a Bulldog you will pay thats just how it is! why go on about it . I sell mine for £1300 AND THEY ARE WELL WORTH IT and i have a waiting list because i only breed every 3 years so i dont think i am making money what bit i do make is put back into the up keep of my dogs, so please stop bad mouthing Bulldogs and the breeders thank you, jackie

There is no need to shout. I haven't seen any bad mouthing of bulldogs, although there may have been some pointed comments regarding dogs being bred that might experience too many problems to justify it...

This is a discussion, on a discussion board. And personally, there has not been one justification for charging that money, so I guess I will go on assuming that its down to supply/demand.

here ! here ! corso girl! :p..:d :d...maybe i'm just reading the posts wrong.....but *bad mouthing* is what i have read into certain posts. the only ones with fair comment have come from people who ACTUALLY have or breed ..or know anything about bulldogs !.:).

:rolleyes:

i rest my case........

Of course the people who own or breed bulldogs are going to make "fair comments" in your opinion - you are one of them!

Its a discussion. There is no need to get defensive...unless of course, underneath you believe that £1500 is too much to pay for a dog?