I have written a puppy sales contract for when I sell my puppies. Should I give prospective purchasers a copy when they first come to see a puppy and I have a deposit. I thought if I give it to them then, they have a chance to read it properly before collecting the puppy later on. Then I can ask them to bring the contract back and both sign it, and also sign a copy for me to keep. Anyone with any experience of this please. Also, I am collecting information for a "puppy pack" for when the puppies go. So far I thought of useful addresses, feeding and health care, profile of the breed and of course pedigree and registration details. Also some food which the pups are used to. Any other suggestions as to what to include please.

Message for Lisa,
Ages and ages ago, you posted an article on the old board "written" by a puppy.(Was it actually written by a Rottie breeder ????)

I thought that it was an excellent idea for inclusion in a Puppy Pack , and have looked high and low for it , but can't find it :rolleyes:

Maybe if you still have it , you could re~post it ?

Twilly x

Yes I should still be able to find it. Hopefully will post it soon as my fingers can type it up.

Ask and ye shall receive (Watch it harryC)

I AM YOUR PUPPY

I am your puppy and I will love you until the end of Earth, but please know a few things about me.

I am a puppy, this means my intelligence and capacity for learning are the same as an 8 month old child. I am a puppy, I will chew EVERYTHING I can get my teeth on. This is how I explore and learn about the world. Even HUMAN children put things in their mouths. It's up to you to guide me whats mine to chew and whats not.

I am a puppy and I cannot hold my bladder for longer than 1-2 hours. I cannot feel that I need to poop until it's actually beginning to come out. I cannot vocalize nor tell you that I need to go, and I cannot have bowel and bladder control until about 6-9 months. Do not punish me if you do not let me out for 3 hours and I tinkle. It is YOUR fault. As a puppy it is wise to remember that I NEED to potty after eating, sleeping, playing, drinking and every 2-3 hours in addition. If you want me to sleep through the night, then do not give me water after 7-8 pm . A crate will help me to learn to housebreak easier, and will avoid you being mad at me. I am a puppy, accidents WILL happen, please be patient with me, in time I will learn.

I am a puppy, I like to play. I will run around and chase imaginary monmsters, and chase your feet and your toes and attack you, and chase fuzzballs, other pets and small kids. It is play, it's what I do. Do not be mad at me or expect me to be sedate, melow or sleep all day. If my high energy level is too much for you, maybe you could consider and older rescue from a dogs home or shelter.

My play is beneficial, use your wisdom to guide me in my play with appropriate toys, and activities like chasing a rolling ball, or gentle tug games, or plenty of chew toys for me. If I nip you too hard, talk to me in 'dog talk' by giving a loud yelp as this is how my mother used to communicate with me and I will understand. If I get too rough simply ignore me for a few minutes of put me in my crate with an appropriate chew toy.

I am a puppy, hopefully you will not yell, hit, strike, kick or beat an 8 month old child so please do not do the same to me. I am delicate, and also very impressionable. If you treat me harshly now I will grow up learning to fear being hit, spanked, kicked or beaten. Instead please guide me with encouragement and wisdom. For instance if I am chewing something wrong say 'NO CHEW' and hand me a toy I CAN chew. Better still, pick ANYTHING up that you do not want me to get into. I can't tell the difference between your old sock and your new sock, or your old shoe and your new £300 Nikes.

I am a puppy and I am a creature with feelings and drives much like your own, but yet also very different. Although I am NOT a human in a dog suit neither am I an unfeeling robot who can instantly obey your every whim. I truly DO want to please you and be a part of your family and your life. You got me (I hope) because you want a loving partner and companion, so do not relegate me to the back garden when I get bigger, do not judge me harshly but instead mold me with gentleness and guidelines and training into the kind of family member you want.

I am a puppy and I am not perfect, I know your not perfect either. I love you anyway. So please learn all you can about training and puppy behaviour and caring for me from your vet, books on dog care and even researching on the computer. Learn about my particular breed and it's 'characteristics' it will give you an understanding and insight into why I do the things I do. Please teach me with love, patience, the right way to behave and socialize me with training in a puppy class or obedience class, we will BOTH have a lot of fun together.

I am a puppy, and I want more than anything to love you, to be with you and too please you. Won;'t you please take the time to understand how I work? We are the same you and I in that we both feel, hunger, pain, thirst, discomfort and fear, but yet we are also very different and must work to understand one another's language, body signals, wants and needs. Some day I will be a handsome dog, hopefully one you can be proud of and one that you will love, as much as I love you.

Love
Your Puppy

May be used with permission as long as credit is given. Copyright 2000, by J. Ellis -Southern Shadows Rottweilers.

Phew..... need a drink now.

Thank you Lisa .. you are a star ! :-)

Twilly xx

This time I will print it off and "File" it safely :rolleyes:

Congratulations on your puppies Lorna!

Best wishes, John

argh I dont suppose you live in the North of England?? My last resort is going to be ad papers for a yellow bitch lab! :(

*begging for you to move to Newcastle* lol

Have the puppies arrived yet??

if your pups are of a certain breed....such as border terriers, pjrt etc, tell the buyer where they can get it propperly HAND STRIPPED, eg they could bring it back to you twice a year etc. I agree with getting them to take it away when they 1st visit pups, it gives them time to read it & ask questions.

Hi
I would recommend some reading too; as some people do buy without knowing about how dogs think or have trouble housetraining and then are too embarrassed to phone the breeder.

I would highly recommend "The perfect Puppy" by Gwen Bailey, it is full of good common sense advice on how to deal with inevitable problems, mouthing, walking nicely on lead, the dog in the human pack and so on. From good shops or crosskeysbooks.com; also how about recommending a good trainer if you know if one near you, or i can recommend the Association of Pet Dog TRainers on apdt.co.uk who have trainers throughout the country which could be useful.

Hope these ideas help

Best wishes
Lindsay

the Blue Cross produce a leaflet through their 'Headstart for Puppies' scheme (gwen bailey). the 'socialising your puppy' leaflet is very easy on the eye and also easy reading (typical g bailey!). u do have to pay for them - 50p but they are good especially for first time/novice owners (could e-mail u a copy of it if u wish).

ps: they also do a 'weekly socialisation chart' - which is large wipeable and bright charting the various socialisation that the puppy has had, still to experience, a great way of getting the family involved. £1

I have one of those charts for the Kitchen Mags only mines called 'How to lose your pocket money' LOL :D
Every tick on their means minus 50P .......to date my son owes me £47,652.50.
Anybody fancy swapping him?
;)
BFUOTHTCHR

(bloody fed up of telling him to clean his room)

..mmm.. wonder if there's one for husbands 'how to play less golf' - everytime they "forget" to do something, it's one round less of golf!

£47,652.50 well thats a very healthy retirement fund, your son is certainly going to be keeping u in grand style come ur old age!!LOL

Have you tried tidying it up with him.......this time anyway and then giving him a reward after, try doing what I do with my puppy reward him for everything he does you want more of and if he does bad ignore him and shut him in his crate with a chewy toy!!! I'm sure after just one evening he'll learn!!! :) Just joking

Kids are hard and being a parent must be harder, likewise being a kid is hard too....... good luck, give him time he will, I was the same when 16/17 now I can't sleep unless all the socks and clothes are in the laundry bin or off the floor...just kids will be kids..

P.S With the pocket money, suggest some enjoyable charity work or something to help someone else in need, he may enjoy it.....working with animals at a local city farm or outreach centre....I did it when I was a teenager and although I didn't like the idea at first it really helped me grow and grow up, as well as learn to give something for being such a pain and taking so much from people. Only a suggestion anyway

Daniel & Charlie

Lisa ....3 steps to getting a teenager (or older) clean their room up:

Step 1: Enter room with black plastic bin bag

Step 2 : Put EVERYTHING loose into black plastic bin bag

Step 3: Put black plastic bin bag by the dustbin

Works every time (and have 3 kids in their 20s who say they will do this with their kids) The 3 steps can be repeated dailt until they get the idea ...and they will (especially when you remind them that the bin gets emptied on such a such a day )

:D

:D

Melody

Hi there, just a siggestion but have you thought about buying cheap material clothe squares say 1 meter or half meter each side, which you could place in with the mother and litter, and give in the pack to a buyer to take with there puppy to place with it's new bed and in its bed, as to get settled and to feel comfort from the smell, or how about cheap cuddly toys....my breeder gets cheap small toys and keeps one for each pup in the litter and leaves them in the bedding and gives them away to take, it's a good idea as I got one for my pup and seemed to comfort him alittle when carrying him home and to help comfort in a new home full of new smells....

Perhaps now winter is coming alittle, you could visit a fishing or camping shop and buy in bulks some of them hand warmers you can re-cycle, but use by scrunshing them and creates heat, would be good for people to cover with a blanket for the puppy to sit on, on the way home.....the other thing is get some small tiny spray bottles, sample size, fill them with water and add quite a few drops of tobassco sauce.....puppys hate the hot taste, of which I use instead of the bitter apple spray which is crap and don't work, my pup hates the stuff, which I spray on furniture, although need to test before hand on material not seen, and on door frames and generally stuff I don't need or want chewed....good puppy item you can make and label to give away...is cheap too.....oh but that's my idea!!!!!!! So if anyone asks, tell them I gave you the idea :) lol The other things is what about getting small wipe up wet and dry tissue packs for on the journey home......I had to take my puppy on the tube to get home and pee'd himself and me two stop before getting back and nothing to wipe myself or him with.......although my friend came to the rescue with an item of clothing of which I boiled and washed for him later that evening....what a star, but yes tissue packs to give for emergency spills.....perhaps another idea is electronic ID Tags, I got one for my pup whilst waiting for a engraved tag....basically was around £4.99 from the pet shop, maybe can find them online to buy in bulk from a company, anyway they are thick tags, which you can record your pets name, owners name, address and telephone number...a good idea for someone just taking a puppy and not yet had tags made, and it is the law to tag a dog so a good item for a puppy pack too...that's all the idea I can think of but hope they may help or given you some help thinking of stuff. Thanks Daniel and Charlie =;>)

PS Them Electronic ID Tags are made by a company called VOICE ID

Good luck

D&C

Hi Dudley. When I am certain that a particular family is going to have one of my pups I do send them a copy of the contract ( usually by email) and all the feeding/housetraining/vacc/worming/grooming/exersise/toys/ beds/bedding/breed club and general doggy management information that is usually given at the time of sale,but not the reg cert of course! Also a book list which would include the "Doglopedia" by Kay white and Jim Evans for a male and "the book of the bitch", by the same pair for a female. Also the Gwen Bailey book previously mentioned, just about anything by Ian Dunbar and some books on the breed.

My vet supplies a puppy pack folder, containg loads of product info etc- I just take out the leaflets for the stuff I dont recommend, and its a ready made folder for all the bumf I give them. If your vet doesn't , contact the manufacturer of the food you are feeding them/recommending to the new owners, they often have puppy packs and money off vouchers to give away.

This gives them lots of time to prepare for the puppy and more often than not fires them to learn more if they are not very experienced. Its much better to have read all the info/books before they get the puppy. I accept a deposit at 4 weeks of age, and they are welcome to visit them as many times as they wish from that age, but do not let them choose a puppy until they actually come to collect it. This is because I usually want to keep one, and at that age I dont know which one.

I try to be scrupulously fair in that its "first come first served", so that the person who contacted me first about a puppy and I approve of, gets to come and choose first, so the last to contact me gets the last pick. I explain this is the first instance so there is no mistunderstanding about it. We only usually have 2 clients per day over a few weekends. I tried having 3 on one day this year, all coming a long distance and they all arrived within ten minutes of each other - mayhem! One was early, one was very late and the other on time!!

On the picking up day, if they are travelling alone they HAVE to bring an enclosed crate or carrier that the puppy cannot get out of, and a bungee clip if the safety belt wont reach around it. I used to have people turning up with a basket on the back seat which is a no-no! If they have a passenger then, the puppy sits on their knee on a towel. I ask them to bring 2 or 3 old towels, a kitchen roll, a plastic bag for rubbish and if they have a journey of more than 3 hours, I ask them to bring a load of newspapers, to line out the boot/hatch so they can have a pee. I also ask them to bring a big empty bottle so i can fill it with our water, for drinking, and a bowl of course in case they need a drink on the way home. So they can get gradually used to the "new "water.

If you have not decided which company to insure them with, I used Dog Breeders association for the first time this year and I am very pleased with them. They offer 16 weeks free insurance as opposed to the normal 6 weeks and you get £10 back for each policy you issue, which is a nice surprise when it arrives weeks later and you had forgotten all about it! They are very efficient and competitive with their normal insurance rates. Hope this is useful.

I also add to my puppy pack a piece of the really absorbant cloths we use in the dog beds after a bath.

I have a large strip on the floor all the time when the puppys are first moving around until they leave they soon learn that this is where everyone goes to the toilet once let out of their pen in a morning. I cut a piece off for each puppy and bag it up (yes washed lol) I then advise the new owners to place this in the spot they wish the puppy to use for it's toilet along with the command that I've used at home.

I don't have carpets so that helps them to realise that a hard surface is where we go - did have a problem when I first took the carpets up and replaced them with woodeffect flooring - my then 7mth old puppy thought she could go anywhere just as if she was outside - took her a while to make the connection but at least it was easy to clean up and not have to worry about the carpet staining lol.

A good tip with wood floors to clean after urnation on by pets is use bilogical washing powder to disinfect as bleach contains ammonia and gives off the same scent a urine apparently, thus using the bleached area again

Don't know if it true, have read it in a book and my pup learnt real quick where to go, and never returned to accidient spot at later dates.

D&C
=:)

I have recently signed puppy contracts declaring if I dont wat to keep the dog for any reason it must be sold back to the breeder thats a good one

Yes for once you are right, that IS a good one. However why anyone would sell you a dog is quite beyond me

Any one that had met me and knew how much I cared for them would that sort of attitude makes me feel sorry for you you sound like a sad bitter woman

Hmmmm, sad and bitter eh? Well, snap. Those that know me know Im not. How can you possibly consider breeding and rearing three pups at the same time, when you dont even know when/if your bitch is in season? I also noted your post that stated you would not name the breeders of your pups in case they were told a lot of information. That makes it sound even more that you have something to hide.

If you had read my post earlier I said I didnt want my breeders details given out as I didnt want them flooded with letters etc im sure they wouldnt act to kindly on it

Did they not teach you punctuation at school? Please try, it would make your posts so much easier to read. Thanks.

I cant be bothered actually if its readable who cares

Dogs,
It may be readable to you but not to many others. I've answered you politely all day and politeness is not something you've shown but I'm having so many problems trying to decipher your posts I can hardly even be bothered anymore.

It may be the school holidays but I'm sure it's still well past your bedtime. So night night, tuck yourself in tight :)
Dot

Ive answered polite to you all day its only a small handfull thats the problem ps i dont go to school wish I still did though no weekend work at school

Dogs,
You've lost me now. I can't follow your post without punctuation. I agree you've been polite to me but sadly you've been anything but polite to others and it was you who started it every time. Don't bother replying to this post because I won't see it as I'm off to bed. Goodnight.
Dot

hi, just to say about punctuation,i am not very good at putting words into a letter or a post,my spelling is bad,i write how i speak,but i pass a open university course on dogs in 1993,run my own haridressing busienss and teach kids to swimming,and what hobbies i have done i achive the best at what i can do,BUT at the end of the day i am a 44 year woman,if i went back to school today i be class as dyslexia in my writing /spelling,so may dog,may have this problam to,if you read some of my post you will see what i mean,but hope i get the messege across.

Hi Terri, the comment wasn`t for you or any one else, only DOGS, I`m sure. If you have a look at the posts you will see that some are spelt right & then some are done like a kid would write. Think its a bit of a wind up really. We all know you & can understand your posts perfectly so please don`t take offence. You wouldn`t believe the amount of time I have to spend writing a post to get it right, just can`t seem to type, think, look at screen, remember caps off etc etc all at once & then put the words down so they can be understood!! :) So don`t worry, anyway in a few wks you`ll have lots of little paws taking your time up eh?
Have you used the flags yet?
Christine2

That "Edit" button is truly a miracle, aye Christine? :D :D :D

hi did know that the messeage was not for me thank you.just to add that some people do have a problem with writing/spelling.
but i think got the wrong end of the stick with dogs messeges.
yes the flag did come in handy at the game fair thankyou.
brie only got 3 week to go i am getting worried now,hope she dose not have a big litter but then if she dose we cope,as long as she ok beacuse i waited 15 year to get her,and that the pups ok,as well

what breed of dog you got

Brie, you do just fine -- don't worry about your writing. :) It's only being brought up due to "issues" yesterday :rolleyes:

BTW: If you did decide to return to school, despite ALL misgivings, you would be a much better student than you think :) You'd actually have fun, too. :D Computers are great for getting around dyslexia. (trust me, I know ;) )

Also the statistics support the fact that "non-traditional" students achieve more (Higher grades + greater completion rate etc..) than the "traditional" age.
It's all that life experience to fall back on + a higher dedication + better time management abilities. :D :D :D Teeny boppers cringe when they see "older" students in the class since we drive the curve upwards :D :D :D

Thanks for you message I dont suffer from dyslexia just aswell I dont as the comments ive had to day would have really upset me its 2 reasons really firstly ive never had a job where ive had to sit at a desk and type never learnt how to type and the funnt one is ive got nail extensions on so I keep pressing 2 keys but im getting by its great to read what you have done a true inspiration hope you get chance to read this

AHEM,
Not adressing you or your posts at the moment -- Just Briedog's!

I wasnt talking to you I was answering Briedogs

Sure you were. :rolleyes:

yes I was if you read it properly it says thankyou for your message no I dont suffer from dyslexia did you ask me if I suffer from it ? no well there you go I was responding to briedog

This is getting a tad silly. The whole point of an open forum is for people to post and reply. If you are wanting to ask a specific question to a specific person and don't want anyone else to reply, why do it on the board? Why not email direct or put in your post that you are wanting a single person to reply. Would make the board a bit dull if that was the case though.

Helen

Ive came on here this morning to a whole lot of nasty comments I answerd one ladies post who wrote it to me then everyone jumped in if you go to visitors questions then to affix youll see what I mean I am finding things out of a few ladies that do want to help

Hi DOGS, how do you manage to keep nail extensions on with your dogs???? With all the work dogs involve I have to keep mine short & nail varnish is chipped within mins so a waste of time!! Maybe you have someone else to do the work for you, could you give me a few tips please?
Christine2

Well of you get your nails done properly like mine theyll stay on ive only got 3 dogs at home at the moment so its not that hard

Briedog,
I'm sorry if I've offended you. I really didn't mean to.

I don't usually have a problem reading anybodies post. I think everyone gets their message across fine. It's just that I was tired and Dogs had said in another post that they couldn't be bothered making their posts understandable any more. So I felt Dogs was being rude by not trying to be understood and I just couldn't work out at all what their post was saying.

I'm really sorry, I didn't mean it in a bad way.
Am I forgiven?
Dot

P.S. Edit button's great.:) You've no idea how often I use it or how long it takes me to type a post!!