Hi guys,

Quick q..... I though advertising crosses with wolves was now illegal? am i right or have i caught the tail end of a conversation and made up my own conclusions? This came up in regards to my favourite subjects, Malamutes, Wolves and rescue. I was a bit surprised when i saw this, as i was sure it wasn't allowed any more.

If anyone wants more details/want to chat about this, as usual feel free to mail me :)

k

Hi Kirsty,

It's actually illegal in Britain to even own wolf hybrids (even if it has only a small percentage of wolf in it).
The only exception is if the owner has a dangerous wild animals licence.

there was an ad in the our dogs a few weeks go car'nt find it now and a pic of the dad of the pups i phoned up the lady i spoke to said they are the nearest to a wolf you can get when ifind the paper i will put the name.

Hi, please try to find the ad as I would be very interested. A few years ago there was an ad in our local paper someone selling Timberwolf x pups although the pups were still in Ireland. They never did arrive in the UK though the authorities were alerted, although a national newspaper ran a story.
At one time ads could be found frequently in a paper in Ireland I believe it was called Buy and Mart, I do not believe they do any longer at least not on the same scale.

There is an advert in the Quids In showing a photo of the Utonagan (spirit of the wolf).

there's a guy on the aol dog message boards that is saying he has an 11 week old wolf cross also said that the police have basically said that he doesn't need a licence for it and the vet has confirmed that it is a wolf cross though how a vet could confirm without a dna test is beyond me, some vets can't even get a breed of dog right.I must admit when i read the message i was pretty disgusted, if someone is crossing wolves with dogs then they want stringing up,, the one s i feel sorry for are the animals themselves.

If you get into the technicalities of the law, German Shepherd Dogs are also illegal as wolf crosses - because the breed was founded with a few wolves in the gene pool and the law states that a dog with any wolf content is to be treated as a wolf cross. For that matter... dogs are Canis lupus familiaris anyway - they're ALL wolves.

I have to admit, I'm pro-wolfdog. I think there are some things about modern dogs that could use improvement, and that wolves might well provide that improving factor. However, I don't advocate random breeding of wolf to whatever - I would really like it if the recognized FCI breeds of wolfdog (Czechoslovakian wolfdog and Saarloos Wolfhound) were legal over here the same as a GSD is - no Dangerous Wild Animals permit needed to keep them. There's not much different about a wolfdog and a 'dangerous' breed of dog - cared for correctly, trained correctly and understood, plus given the right kind of protection by having the right kind of fences, etc... they're both 'safe' animals to own. I wouldn't own a wolfdog in the house I currently live in - too many children to risk, and I don't have the space to put up six-foot-high fencing. I wouldn't own a Siberian Husky for the latter reason.

Agree with you on the vets ... most of them that I've met wouldn't be able to tell a Northern-breed from a wolfdog.

Is that right that the czech wolfdog is ilegal over here, Because someone has got them here!
I know what you mean about the Sibe I used to have them, That is one of the reasons I decided not to have anymore.
Chili

Hiya,

Didn't know anything about this.

The thread caught my attention, because only yesterday I saw an ad in our local feed merchants, with timberwolf X's. There was another breed named on the ad card, but can't remember what it was...am going to get more dog food tomorrow, so will let you know.

Lisa

As far as I'm aware, there is only one Czech wolfdog in the UK, and she's owned with a DWA permit. She was imported late last year, to some owners in Kent.

I'd question, if you know of someone with more than one, if those are really Ceskys or if they're Saarloos (I'm fairly sure that the owner with the Cesky has Saarloos as well... but they may be at the place in Spain that they own) ....

Or just very wolfy-looking dogs of no certain parentage that someone's seized on the breed name to 'justify' them.

Given that a Cesky is a fourth-generation or later cross, of which 75% (give or take - sometimes as much as 87%) of the original ancestors are German Shepherd Dogs, it's doubtful that someone'd have an actual one aside from the one I've mentioned above.

(edited to add some information)

That really confused me! A Cesky is another breed of dog entirely - a small terrier! Nothing like a wolf! :)

Ahh. I'm used to the 'Cesky Vlkak' - one of the names commonly used to refer to a Czechoslovakian wolfdog ... and shortened it to 'Cesky'.

I didn't know there was a terrier commonly referred to as such.

Have a look here to see what they look like.
:)

Edited (many times) to do the correct link!!!

Yes your right it is the people in Kent and they do have Sarrloos as well according to their wedsite but there's no mention of DWA permits, They are also advertising a coming litter from the Czech.

The paper here in Ireland is called Buy and Sell and they still advertise Wolfhybrids every now and then, by a *breeder* in NI. :(

I've spoken to the owners of the CzW in the UK (Kent) They had gone into all the legalities before hand and they do not require a licence.
They are however due to be banned in Norway even though the few dogs in Norway have NEVER been in any trouble. Europe going mad in breed bans, just on size and looks!

A Czech bitch was imported into England last year, but because the bloke didn't have the proper paperwork i believe it was sent back!!!!
But it was in the uk for 6 months.
We believe the bitch was brought over in pup!!!
No-one knows where the pups went!!!!!

Hi,
I have to admit, I am very ANTI "wolf-dog".
I am in the States, where, unfortunately, wolf hybrids are NOT uncommon.
I do not believe that ANY wild animal should be kept as a pet. I do not believe that introducing wolf dna into any dog will improve anything. It is true that dogs and wolves are genetically the same, but dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years. There were good reasons that many "wolf-like" characteristics were SELECTED against in those years. Wolves are NOT PETS. Their behavior is SIMILAR to dogs, but DIFFERENT in many crucial ways. I believe that the main difference is that dogs have been selected for juvenile traits even when adult. This certainly makes them more amenable to putting up with humans.
I have personal experience with many wolf hybrids and none of it was good- either for people or the "wolf-dogs".
PS- I am also one of the MAJORITY that does NOT believe that wolves were used to create the GSD. If they had been, I would think that the GSD would be the poster child for NOT breeding wolves and dogs.
TiaLee

It's not illegal to own a wolf or a hybrid in the UK BUT you are bound by
the Dangerous Wild Animals Act. Anyone owning a pure bred wolf or a first
generation wolf hybrid must hold a licence for it. This means that their
premises will be subject to inspection on a regular basis by the local
authority and an appointed vet.
Also you can't take an such an animal out of the licenced area without a
special permit so taking it for a walk would be breaking the law.

Sarloos etc are not included in the above Act.

I believe that Ireland does not have a Wild Animals law.

Apparently the other 'breed' mentioned "the spirit of the wolf" is a mal X - a Northern Inuit by another name.

Utonagan are the breed i think people are trying to think of, or Northern Inuit have slight differances but they all more or less look like wolf-dogs or Czech!
I myself own a Utonagan and believe they are wonderful animals. Their is no agression or destruction as you can find in other arctic breeds.
You can let them off the lead without them running away as Huskies and Mals do, she is also great with my son who is two and my three cats!!
I trust her completely with everything, i do not believe their is any wolf in her, or how would she be so soft and doggy like!!!
The society states that their is no wolf in the breed and anyone saying they have to sell puppies are just in it for the money!!

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My friend, who runs Sibes, was telling me the other day that she is interested in the wolfhybrids that are being raced in the 'open' races at the Sled dog meets.
She was interested in them when they first became the 'in' thing a few years ago. I hope she never gets one and the 'fad' fades out again.
I wasn't listening very well but I'm sure she said there was a breeder up here in the North East.

Dawn, the majority of dogs run in Open classes here are either gundogs (pointer types mainly), Trail Hounds or Euro Hounds..........would love enlightenment on who she 'thinks' ;-) is running wolf crosses, can give you my e mail if you wish :D

Malamutes often run in the open races too ...I wonder if she is getting them mixed up? :p :p :p

Sarah,

I have PM'd you.

Melodysk,

She's been in Huskies for a lot of years I wouldn't think she'd get a Mally mixed up with a hybrid.

I use the term Friend loosely. Although I've known her a long time she is more an acquaintance than a close friend.

I do not think that there was any wolf or wolf crosses involved in the formation of the German shepherd dog. In the last century the German, Belgian and Dutch shepherd dogs were all pretty much the same in appearance and bred for the same purpose. they were later refined and developed as separate breeds within their own areas but as far as I know no wolf was involved !!! the closest to the original is the Dutch shepherd which comes in long or smooth haired and is a kind of brindle in colour.

There are actually three varieties of Dutch Shepherd long, smooth & wire or rough coated

Look here

I met a wolf hybrid two weeks ago, he seemed very nice & was very obedient, he had also been mated to a greyhound bitch & I met one of the pups (10 months old).

Geoff

The trouble is, under UK law, any dog with any wolf blood requires a Dangerous Wild Animals licence. So that dog, and all his pups, and all their pups etc until the law is changed, cannot legally be taken for walks like ordinary dogs ...

This spells it out very clearly.

I happen to know that a LOT of people who *say* they have hybrids in the UK actually don't ;) They have wolfy looking dogs yes, but they do big it up a bit :D The last two *hybrids* that I met so obviously weren't

The people who genuinly have wolves or wolf hybrids know the law very well and don't tend to brag about it or offer them for sale in local papers!!!!!