i recently bought a puppy from a kc registered kennels. I asked if she had any bearded collies and she said she didn't but did have a soft coated wheaten terrier which was easier to keep with a better coat to manage. When i went to see her she was nothing like the pictures on the internet. Her coat is quite coarse with dark hair above a lighter creamy colour. She is the right shape and a lovely temperament if not a little nervous. She was covered in fleas and lice with big scabs on her neck and behind her ears. I have a sheet of paper with her family tree and she had already had her first injections with a vet in ireland ( she is now 17 wks old )All her papers say she is a wheaten terrier but her coat seems too coarse.
I know i shouldn't have bought her without seeing her mother etc but it's hard to say no when the dog is obviously not receiving the treatment she deserves and i also made the fatal mistake of taking my 3 yr old daughter with me. How can i check she is what she is supposed to be?

Julea, I am sorry to hear you think you have been misled but there is no such thing as a KC registered kennels. The breeder may have an KC affix or the pups may be KC registered but the KC does not register kennels that is the job of the council and it is to them or the Trading Standard that you should turn. Some times puppies do appear to have a different coat to the adult, but there is no excuse for the state your pup was in when you bought her, the odd flea may be excusable but that sort of condition should be reported. Sorry to say I think your puppy was from a puppy farm. Do you have any sort of registration for the pup.

Sounds like a Puppy dealer buying in stock from Ireland where dogs bred for the pet market are generally cheaper. They are puppy farm products, usually bought as job lots to sell on. There are a number of Puppy supermarkets in UK who source their stock this way among others.

What kind of registration do you mean? sorry to be a bit thick but i'm not sure what you mean.
i've got papers with her family tree on and a veterinary record of her vaccination that she had before i got her. The vets papers are from Ireland and i am in kent

A kennel Club Registration certificate is like a Birth Certificate. It will say the Kennel C lub on it,a nd will ahve the dogs official name, and that of it's parents.

the family is the Pedigree, and if that is all you have then it may or may not be factual. It is the registration, like with a car that tells you the parentage breed date of birth, the breedr etc.

There are a couple of so called registration bodies, that do nothing but issue worthless certificates, not keeping a history of the breed, or running any shows, working events or health schemes. These are used by Puppy farmers to make the puppy seem more respectable.

Julea
poor pup - did the breeder give any expanation as to why pup was in the state she was in ?
Have you had her checked out by your own vet at all?
As mentioned already some pups do look a little diferent from adults - unfortunately I d not know thisbreed enough to give any advice as to what she should indeed look like .
I can only say thank heaven she has found you :)
Lel

With hindsight i don't believe the lady that sold her was a breeder as Jess ( our pup ) was from Ireland and i bought her in Kent. The explanation for the scabs on her neck and ears were supposedly from playing rough with the other pups ( retrievers ) that were in the same pen as her . She did say she had fleas when she first got her but she had treated that.

Julea,

Take a look at www.wheaten.org.uk . It has an article on different coat types within the soft coated breed. I have had a quick look and it seems that some wheatens have harsher coats than others.

Jen

you should hope that its not a SCWT they are horrid dogs
i would NEVER have one i have NEVER met a nice one
Sam

Icilovemydogsbutnotyoiurs

you have NO right to say that about someone elses chosen breed sam! its just plain rude!
may i ask what breed do you have?
vicky

This has got to be some kind of joke...."ilovemydogs" has got to be a troll surely.............never in this world could anyone be quite that daft :D

It is that kind of rudeness that makes trouble for all on this board. You Obviously know nothing about this breed. Perhaps you met one that you didn't like, but that certainly does not mean that all of this breed are like that one dog. Ignorence is not bliss. Rudeness is not acceptable. Being from America I don't know what you mean by "troll". Would that be the same as an idiot? Just curious.

A troll is someone who posts inflamatory messages on internet forums simply to get a reaction.

Fiona
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There's a couple of lovely wheaten terriers at the puppy classes we take out beardie to. They're great dogs - very, very affectionate and very playful. Yes they're a bit vocal, but most terriers are, but they're also very bright and quick to learn.

The older one looks just like a fluffy bear and if it wasn't for the fact I now have a houseful it's a breed that I'd be interested in owning.

Fiona
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what a nasty thing to say!!! I don't know about Ilovemydogs Sam but you are certainly not a dog lover.

:-(

I have met them and found them charming, though in comon with a lot of terriers they can be a bit spirited with each other.

I had a lovely one that I looked after for a freind, his only bad side was that he was a pest to my girls in his adolescense, and I was quite pleased when he was castrated.

Thanks for the advice , it looks like she is an Irish wheaten as their coats are coarser when they are young but according to that site their coat is the nicer one.However i'm going to have to wait and see as their coats can take up to four years to develop

we went to see a wheaten in the home before making our decision and the owner said that (i think)the irish coat is coarser and a bit scruffier looking than the english coat,there is also an american coat if i remeber correctly which is a lot fuller.they are a beautiful dog,very affectionate but can be a little noisy,the coat needs a lot of attention whichever coat type it is.also the lady we saw,her female had a season and a patch of hair at the bitches back end dropped out and when it grew back it was a different colour that is slowly coming back through the right colour.
heres hoping that you have a wonderful dog no matter what it turns out to be,and at least it is now in a loving environment.
lots of luck
mel ;)

Julea
There were Wheatens being advertised for sale, late last year, in newspapers both in the London area and the west of Scotland area. These turned out to be complete litters being brought over from Ireland for re-sale here!
I wonder if it is one of these pups that you have got? Wheaten pups with an Irish coat do tend to have a sparser/coarser coat than their English counterparts although both do have darker puppy coats than you might imagine, hence the paler coat coming in below. The adult coat (about 2 years of age) however should be soft & wheaten coloured.
I would be very interested to know some of the names on your pups pedigree.
The wheaten club has a network of area representatives around the country so I would recommend that you make contact with the secretary and she will be able to put you in touch with your nearest rep. who would be more than happy to "talk Wheaten" with you.

Thanks for the advice, heres a list of names on her 'papers'
sire=Abbeyfeale con( doesn't sound too good !)sire Arctic Gold.Dam Atomic Cat sire Dee man Dam Classy Irish . sire Delvin Flyer Dam Dock Queen


Dam= biddy blackhurst sire Monty Dam Bugaloo Biddy Sire diamond Alpha Dam Hiawatha Sire hidden dragon Dam Guby's Star
Breeder is listed as T. Lawlor . her vaccines were done in Co. Monaghan
Will i still be able to register her or is it too late?

Unfortunately for you only the breeder can register the puppy with the Kennel Club.

Julea
Apparently,it used to be that almost every farm in Ireland had at least 1 resident Wheaten in order to keep vermin down. These dogs in all probability weren't K.C. registered.
A large number of Wheatens on this side of the Irish Sea still have a lot of Irish blood but unfortunately I don't recognise ANY of the names in your girls pedigree. The better known Irish affixes include the following .... Ballysax, Holmenocks, Killykeen,Corrlough & Killykeen.
I wonder if your pup is perhaps from unregistered working parents?
If this is indeed the case then unfortunately the pup can't be registered either.
The Soft -Coated Wheaten Terrier Club of G.B. however is still a good starting point for you, as you would be made very welcome regardless of whether your pup is K.C. registered or not.

Thanks for all your help, i've got to the point where i don't care what she is anymore, she is coming on nicely , nowhere near as timid ,she has a lovely temperament but i have found the soft wheaten terrier club of great britain that you spoke of and i will phone tomorow to see if there is anywhere local that i can take her to and if i can't register it is no big deal she doesn't need a paper to make her special !

Good for you Julea
i hope she brings you a lot of enjoyment sounds like shes landed on her feet now anyway!
good luck