i have a few questions i hope someone can help,

If i was to set up a dog rescue kennels, who would:

1) regulate what i do (in terms of looking after the dogs and their welfare)? would it be the rspca or the local conncil?
2)provide funding for me to run the kennels with?

and also if i was going to breed any dogs i had come in would i be allowed to charge for the pups?

thanx

So you want to breed the dogs to get even more dogs to find homes for???
Yep - I can really see the logic in that.
Think another troll trip rapping across the bridge here!

i am the person who aksed the question,
i am not a troll i am a person!
i was asking a reasonable question, and as for the breeding i ment if i had a bitch come in that was gonna have puppies would i be able to sell them for a higher price than i would normally ask for, to raise funds for the kennels in return!
please think before u r so rude!
Sam

You would have to provide your own funding for anything like this.

And I can't see that any pups produced at a 'rescue' centre would be worth more just because they were born there.

no they may not be worth more but say if i charged £50 for a normal adult neutered dog, and then charged about £100 or even up to £200 for a pedigree pup, this would raise more money for all the dogs eg food and toys as well as vets bills!
and i bet people would be willing to pay that because people rip their buyers off when buying a pedigree puppy which will only have one thing extra PAPERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
sam

But it's the KC papers that raise the value of the pup. Without those it's just another puppy. If the bitch is brought in pregnant, how do you know they're pedigree, anyway

snap - great minds think alike ehh... :-)

;)

If you are a "rescue centre" then how would you know any pregnant bitches coming in were carrying "pedigree" puppies?
When people buy a pedigree puppy it is the pedigree and more importantly the KC Reg. form that guarentee the dog is a pedigree.

Actually your initial post clearly states "if I was going to breed any of the dogs".
If the dogs were already pregnant when you got them then you would not of bred them would you?
I was replying to how the post was written which is all anyone on here can do.
If you are genuine then sorry, agree with Jean on prices.

ok it was just an idea to raise money for the older dogs,
another quick question, who would regulate what i do and would i need a licence, and also would i need to abide by the rspca? and would i ever be inspected?
not that i have anything to hide!
sam

I imagine the council would regulate what you did. I'm sure you'd need a licence, and by crikey, yes you'd be inspected!

The RSPCA is only in existence to ensure the law is not broken - it's the law you have to abide by.

trip trap..trip trap!!! Foley de roll!!!

I dont want to be too rude but who are you thinking about the most of, you or the rescue dogs?
It is also a non profit charity, all the dogs you rehome would have to be neutered/castrated before rehoming takes place!
last point you wouldn't need to ask any questions in here as you would/should know the answers too

There are too many of these sort of rescues out there already there used to be one that advertised in our local free ads asking for pedigree dogs to be "rescued" sorry if im jumping to conclusions here but it sounds very dodgy to me

SURELY YOU WOULD'NT CHARGE,for these puppies as the right home is far more imp
important than price tag,you could raise money by asking for a donation for the previous
care you gave pup and feed,usually about 10-50 pounds you could hold car boot
sales,or coffee mornings????
It's hard work and theres NO profit in it, if there was its suspect!!!!!!!!!!

Briony :-)

In the RSPCAs latest submissions to parliament one of the questions they have raised is the licensing of Sancutaries and Rescue centres. At the moment the only legislation which applies is Boarding Kennels (if they take in paid for rescues, eg Local Authority Contract) and Pet Shops Licensing. So, to answer the original poster, if you were to charge for the rscued animals, you would need a pet shop license. However, if you were to breed and then sell (and I think the letter of the law refers to any monetary gain, even if you label it a donation not a fee) then you would also need a breeders licence if you had more than 4 litters in a year. All this is looked after by the local authority, and their appointed Vet. However, under the new proposals you would also need a "Sanctary" licence. The Companion Animal welfare organisation are also looking into this.

So, it all boils down to this - you cant run a rescue legally without lots and lots of red tape and expense, this is a nightmare for the genuine people in rescue, but they wade through it for the sake of the animals, and the dubious fringe who see some sort of shady get rich quick scheme will hopefully be put off by the legalities, and prosecuted if they try to get round them.

Gwen

To clarify some points to the person that asked the question in the first place. Is this just an idea that you have thought of or are you really serious? Because it seems to me that you have not given the situation much thought before asking the questions that you have.
Firstly, I hope you are not considering going into rescue on a whim, as a way of making a 'quick buck' through 'taking in' dogs that are homeless often through no fault of their own. There are already too many people who have have become involved in rescue for the 'wrong reasons' who are not genuine in their concern for animal welfare but see 'rescueing dogs' as a form of income. Before you even get involved in rescue I hope you have a sound knowledge of animal welfare and dog behaviour and are prepared to neuter and spay and not as it seems 'glow with glee' at the thought of pregnant bitches and puppies, of mating and selling!! This is the last thing that you should be thinking of, rescues are full to bursting with dogs seeking homes and others have to destroy dogs because suitable homes cannot be found for them. The last thing that is needed is more dogs and puppies looking for suitable homes.
At the moment unfortunately anyone can set themselves up as a dog rescue. Some rescues ask for a donation but most set their prices for a dog/bitch, spayed or neutered or a puppy. Rescues do not need a pet shop licence to sell off the offspring of a pregnant bitch that has come into rescue in whelp. However if it could be proven that the rescue was 'buying in' puppies to resell then they could be required to be licensed by the local Council by obtaining a pet shop licence. The only time there is a requirement to be licensed is if a rescue is working under contract to the Council/Police to take in the local strays and then it would be a boarding kennel licence. Alternatively, if you were running a rescue and decided that you were going to breed from the bitches comming in and sell off the puppies then you would if be classed as a business if you produced 5 or more litters in a year and this would be classified as taxable income. 5 litters would also mean that you would need to aquire a breeders licence from your local council and your premises would be inspected by the council and vet to see if they met the critereria suitable to be classed as breeding establishment. Breeding without a license (5 litters in a year) is breaking the law and is is an offence prosecutionable by a fine or inprisonment.

Hi Pat,

I think we covered a lot of the same points re: regulations, but difer on 1 aspect. It may be that different local authorities look at the licensing/pet shop aspect differently, but it is certainly a requirment in several areas that any sales/donations equate to needing such a license. This greay area is one of the reasons the new legislation is being called for by the RSPCA (who have to have pet shop licenses on some of there rescue centres, according to the RSPCA press officer)

Gwen

Pat, well stated. Again if a bitch came in pregnant, how do you know the pups are purebred? They won't have papers and are therefore of lesser value than a dog with papers. If I were looking for a purebred dog, I would want papars, otherwise how do I know it's a purebred? You did state that if you Breed pups, could you sell.... You do not sound like someone who should involved with rescue dogs. Leave it to someone who truly loves the breed and wants what is best for it.