sorry if i touched a raw nerve. my sasha is a yellow labrador. ive had her since she was 12 weeks old. i certainly are not the person that had her dog from a rescue centre.i tried to register earlier but it said something about cookies. i had to wait for my son to sort out the problem.

i just read the message before mine i now understand why you asked the question about rescue centres. that was uncanny. my sasha has a pedigree, full vaccination records from 7 weeks(the breeder had that one done prier to purchassing her. she came with 6 weeks pet plan which i continued.shes beutiful natured and i wanted a litter of little sashas. i contacted a breeder who told me he would report me(to who i wasnt sure)he said a law had been passed last year that made it illegal for me to let her have a litter as she wasnt kc registered and that i would be prossecuted. im not sure if he said it because we live in the same area or if it was true. sorry 4 the confusion but the storys were similar.

Hi Sasha
Can i just ask WHY you want a litter of little sasha's?

Alison

im not really sure how i should answer that one without sounding either mushy or daft. why does anyone think they should breed from their dogs. because of their nature loyalness beauty obedience which sasha has all those qualitys and she is extremely healthy she has regular check ups with our local vet. im not in it for the money but the satisfaction i have helped rear a litter of pups that will make their new owners pleased with the fact they have been bred to the best of my ability. sasha was brought as a family pet with no intention of mating her. as shes got older we became interested and we decided to have a look into making little sashas. atleast i didnt just do it. i needed some advice because of the problem i came up against from that man.she is at the end of the day a pedigree i knew about the kc but didnt realise you could only breed if they are registered. i have had two dogs which have had puppies(some years ago)they were both mongrels but very much loved.i have and still do the best for my animals. she is a home dog not one thats stuck outside in a kennel 24/7 she has a dog flap so she comes and goes as and when she pleases the only thing i can be shouted at is that i let her graze with her dinner. the vet put me right because she was getting portly.so as an answer to your question its because i think shes good enough. why didnt her breeder kc her. i have no idea. maybe he was just in it for the money

Sasha

I now by reading th post how much you love your dog, she isnt out side all day and can come and go as she pleases, but its the people that have the pups off you , you have to worry about, how will you now that they will nnot keep the pups out side all day etc etc, sorry if i come across rude but its not just Sasha its her pups and there pups and there pus etc etc

enjoy her for what she is,......... your dog

Heidi

Hi Sasha
A lab person would probably be best to answer your question, but here goes.
The person you spoke to was probably trying to put you off breeding as there are quite alot of unwanted labs in rescue, among other things. Lots of things has to be taken into consideration when breeding, healths tests mainly, two tests i know off for labs is eye testing and hip scoring. However you can only get your dog hipscored if it's kc'd.
Their are legal complications ie: you breed from your dog and it's pups or just one has bad hips and later develops hip dyspacia(sp) you are soley responsible for bringing into the world a litter of unhealthy pups, and can be sued.
Most breeders breed for the good of the breed and usually only do it when they want something for themselves.
Only some points covered and there's plenty more, hopefully someone else will come along with advice.

Alison

thankyou for your advice im aware of the situation regarding the sale of puppies which end up in rescue centres it disgusts me to think of why and how they get there.i didnt mention that i have 9 family members that are waiting for me to decide whether to go ahead with breeding from her. i know all of them extremely well. we are in contact weekly. there were two family members that i point blank wouldnt allow to have a puppy off sash. ive never seen them be nasty to animals but i know they arent patient enough.i am taking into consideration the long term health risks that im imposeing on the next generations thanks alison. how does any breeder whether its a one off or a small business know for definate that every single one of the healthy chunky well cared for pups are going to be well looked after and not end up at the pounds. if any of my family change there minds and decide not to take on a pup how can i guarentee they would go to a loving home. i know about home checks and how they react to the new pup but at the end of the day no one knows 100% what happens when you leave them. but then you could ask why does anyone want to breed any kind of breed of dog not knowing the future of them. all i can say is without my lab breeder i wouldnt of had the last two great years

Sasha,

Have you consider the possibility that if all didn't go well that you might lose your Bitch and all the puppies? If you do a search of this board you will find all sorts of stories about people losing bitch and puppies and things haven't gone smoothly. One of the regular posters had a litter and the mum sat on one a killed it in the night and she was with them all the time as well.

Also how well do you know the Bitches lines and are you in contact with her breeder to help you choose a suitable stud? Even then youmay have trouble as any respectable Stud dog owner will not allowed your bitch to be mated as she isn't KC reg therefore can't have her hips scored.

Responsilbe breeders put a lot of time and effort in to breeding and choosing a stud of they can improve the breed. Please have a look at The Lab Club Website they have a useful bit about what to consider before breeding your labrador.

I really think you should enjoy your girl for what she is - your pet. And if your family and friends really want a lab pup then I suggest that they get in contact with their local breed club secretary and get contact details for local breeders. (Breed club details are on the above website)

If you breed a litter of pups you should be prepared for the podssibility that if peoples circumstances change, you may have to BUY the dogs back (often in the case of Labs 18months old and boisterous) to keep them from being sold on or put into rescue. If you arent prepared to do that (and Ive had to take out a loan on one occasion to do so) then you shouldnt breed from any dog, not even the best dog in the world. I take as much responsibility for pups produced by my stud dog too.
Good Luck. There is no law against breeding from Sasha, but without being hip scored, no reputable breeder will allow you to use their stud dog. If you are going ahead anyway, PLEASE dont use a dog unless he has been hip scored and eye tested. Im not a lab person, but Mattie from lab rescue on here would tell you more.
ps if you want to hear horror stories on whelping and puppy rearing, e-mail me. I have bred and shown for 13yrs, but the last litter has me determined to take a few years break at least.

Sasha

you have had great advice form the above ladies, PLEASE thin about it before you get in to it, how about if the 9 family members you have had a lab from rescue instead, it would be great that they could give another lab a chance, :)

Heidi

Yes and today at 11 days, despite trying to help her get ahead, had to have the first born bitch put to sleep. She had failed to make much progress, and even her sister that was the same size at birth was twice the size, and the big boy 3 times.

Had spent 9 days of supplementary feeding with a bottle, and still she was barely progressing, then standing still, and today had gone backwards.

Of six live pups, I am left with 4 and she also had two stillborn!!!

3 years ago she gave birth and reared a large litter with no problems.

Those who rear a litter only once or twicw and have no problem think that it is how it always is, but those of us who have bred more than one or two litters soon find that things can and do go horibly wrong when least expected.

Sorry to hear that :( So many people think it's all so simple, but there are so many things to go wrong. Hope the rest thrive.

Welcome to the forum Sasha. It is possible for your vet to x-ray you bitchs hips and then you could see if there is a major problem? Without KC documents, you will not be able to get an official 'score' but if you pick your vet carefully and they know a thing or two about hips,they will be able to tell you if they see a problem. Might be worth checking if you are determined to go ahead :-)

Hi,

Have often wondered if this is possible, so a general question as well as relating to this topic - IF this lady is determined to go ahead, can she register her girl as a working dog and then get her hip scored? (Sorry, brain freeze, can't remember correct terminology for register used by obedience/agility people for Xbreeds, unregistered dogs, but surely they can be hipscored/eye tested on this register as agility people must hipscore? I'm sure some clever soul will come along shortly and tell me if I'm being daft.)

Of course, as has been said before, it would then be a major issue finding a breeder with a hip scored/eye tested dog who would allow him to be used on an unregistered bitch, but doing the above would at least demonstrate the commitment to 'doing it right' if you're determined to do it - with advice on whether hip score is acceptable, obviously, no point just doing it and then not understanding the score.

M.

Good point Marina, yes I believe that she can register her on the Activities Register. That way she could be 'officially' hipscored too.

I'm in the process of getting my Working Beardie registered on the Activities Register - that way I can do working trials with her and hopefully competitive obedience - assuming she ever learns what stay is :D

Fiona
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Activity Register, that's the one - I'm getting old, marbles are going :D

Important to get the plates officially scored really - we've all heard the horror stories of vets who've given totally inaccurate readings.

M.

Under KC regulation B2c there is a chance to get her or maybe her puppies registered on the breed register. However, in view of the breed the chances are probably slim but it may be worth contacting the Kennel Club. She may have to be examined by breed specialists to see whether she is 'worthy' (for want of a better word) to be included ont he breed register but the Kennel Club should tell you what is required.
Good Luck
Bec