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General / Toy Fox Terriers are they the same as English Toy Terriers?
As I can't find Toy Fox Terriers on here or the kennel club. Advice please.
No such breed. There are Fox Terriers, (Wire and Smooth Haired are separate breeds), and there is the English Toy Terriers - essentially a miniature version of the Black and Tan Terrier. A Toy Fox Terrier sounds as if it could be a crossbreed to me.
I think it may be an American breed.
English Toy Terriers are quite rare, but they are a KC recognised breed, and there are a few breeders in the UK, and they are shown. They are always Black and Tan, and originated from the Manchester or Black and Tan terrier. Very smart little dogs.
Thank you for the replies. I thought I had found the ideal dog for me. Small, smooth haired and can be obedience trained. I will have to carry on looking.
By chaumsong
Date 03.08.25 09:41 UTC
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Fox terriers can be quite stubborn, and fiesty, they wouldn't be my first thought for something to do obedience with

Maybe 'toy fox terriers' are crossed with something easier/more biddable, but no guarantees of course with a cross. I convinced myself that a grey/saluki/collie lurcher would have just enough (1/4) collie to be trainable, quarter saluki for stamina and looks, and half greyhound to be calm and laidback

She's an absolute nutter, saluki ditzy, collie ocd and speed of a greyhound

I love her dearly but she hasn't been easy!
Thank you. We are retired so I didn't want anything big and doesn't have to be a toy breed. Smooth haired (easy to look after) and with a bit of intelligence to train in a basic way. Any suggestions?
By weimed
Date 03.08.25 10:25 UTC
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although not noted for trainability I find our whippet very easy (aside from the unreliable recall which means we do not do off lead in park ) she is a very greedy bright little dog so if there is a treat about she will try her hardest to do what is required to get that treat.
very clean and tidy, folds up small on sofa, barely sheds. quiet. loves a quick play and zoom in garden but doesn't demand hours. always up for a walk although does need a coat if weather not perfect) doesn't demand a walk if weather bad or owner not feeling well provided that warm spot on sofa next to you is there
o and she is clever- knows everything that will happen before it happens, you only have to think about going for a walk and she is there waiting. understands rather too many words so if discussing walks, garden etc cannot use any of the main words any more lol

It depends a lot on what you want a dog for? As Weimed said whippets are easy care dogs, and all of my whippet friends let theirs off lead, but they have had the occasional bunny hunting episode

If you like a good walk every day, then what about an old style Jack Russel (not a Parsons)? They're quite sweet (for terriers), trainable, smooth coated, a lot more energetic though than a whippet.
"The Toy Fox Terrier is a small terrier breed of dog, directly descended from the larger Smooth Fox Terrier but since 1936, it has been registered in the United States with the UKC as a separate breed."

Much of what is said here (weimed) is exactly how Teazel was. Until degenerative myelopathy claimed her in her 15th year, the only need of a vet was because of her corns. She was a sweet girl but typically for a Whippet, could take it or leave it in terms of human communication. And frankly I didn't dare let her off the lead when out. She did shed, but it was minimal compared to a Basset! She had no 'aroma'. I would say I never managed to get her feet looking nice (nails) compared to a Basset foot.
I can recommend them.
By chaumsong
Date 04.08.25 09:57 UTC
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> I would say I never managed to get her feet looking nice (nails) compared to a Basset foot
Oh absolutely, sighthound nails tend to grow straight out, like bear claws
Miniature smooth haired Dachshunds seem to be very popular at present where I live. They would meet your criteria of small and smooth-haired. I couldn’t comment on trainability, never having owned one, but the ones I see out and about seem perfectly well-behaved.
By Jeangenie
Date 05.08.25 06:38 UTC
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Mini smooth-haired dachshunds are becoming the latest trend and so people have to be very careful where they get one. From experience at work there seems to be two types; some are delightful little souls, very friendly. Others are evil little s*ds who'd take your face off if they're in a bad mood! They're expensive to insure because they're so prone to spinal injury, and they shouldn't be allowed to go up and down stairs or jump on and off furniture because of this. Also it must always be remembered that they are hounds, although they're small, and they will still go off after a scent and are of a size to get stuck down rabbit holes!
By chaumsong
Date 05.08.25 06:56 UTC
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> Also it must always be remembered that they are hounds, although they're small, and they will still go off after a scent and are of a size to get stuck down rabbit holes!
Definitely, I wouldn't recommend a dachsie to anyone

Scent hounds are often quite 'independent' when out, and unlike a sighthound you can't scan for things they may chase.
That would be why I never see them off lead then!
Most smaller dogs, with a few exceptions, do seem to have a lot of hair (often clipped short for pet purposes), and health problems of one sort or other: squashed faces, awful dentition, skeletal problems.
Two others which came to mind for the OP are Manchester Terrier, if the English Toy Terrier does not appeal; and the Toy or the. Miniature Poodle (both of which can be clipped for easier care, are intelligent and trainable.
We seem to have the evil type of dachshunds where I live. Always on a lead, thank goodness, but fly out snapping and barking when you walk past them. Unfortunately there is not always a lot of room to pass on our local footpaths and bridleways. The numbers seem to have increased since the pandemic.
> We seem to have the evil type of dachshunds where I live.
Here too although it was just the one. He was with his owner outside the Post Office and I talked to his owner and stroked him. When I came back out, he was still there but instead of letting me stroke him, he snapped at me and had I not pulled away fast, it could have been serious!

I think a whippets would be a great idea .sorry havnt read through and know youbare looking for small .not small but gave you considered an ex racing greyhound? Having spoken to number if owners and rescues they they are recommended for retired people. I know not small although some are smaller . Curl up neatly indoors and like a quick run a couple of times a day.
I would seriously consider if it wasn't for my cats

As there is now a breed standard for Jack's you should know what you are getting. I was surprised when I first met them showing how different to lookbat they are to the general jack
Small compact but still a terrier
> I would seriously consider if it wasn't for my cats
I'm sure your cats thank you!!
Same (cats - no) goes for Whippets although my old neighbour (old as in previous) had 3 cats and 2 Whippets. Shortly after she bought a new puppy Whippet, she was horrified to find him kill a feral kitten on the property. Thankfully he left her cats totally alone. Teazel used to see off any local cats who ventured onto the property here (we fed the birds) but although she caught and killed a rat, she never did the same with any of the cats.
By weimed
Date 06.08.25 18:42 UTC
My family always had cats with whippets, good with their own cats but I wouldn't trust with a strange one that ran away.
Dachshunds I really like but women by me always has one - I think she is on her 4th and its sad that the first 3 ended up with hidiously expensive spinal surgery with mixed success.
there was one at my current dogs puppy class, utterly adorable and completely disobedient. barked a fair bit and seemed to have an very wilful streak- would generally do anything except what was asked, such a sweet funny dog though was easy to forgive. the health issues would finish it for me though

Brooke, flat coat retriever , not one hound gene is fine with our cats but i would never trust her with other ones. If out walking or if one goes into the garden she will chase. Fortunately they seem to be faster than her especially now at her great age .
By weimed
Date 07.08.25 07:57 UTC
ah thats the difference, whippets are usually faster then a cat. not had an issue with mine with neighbours cats but do make a point of making fair bit of noise letting mine into garden so they have time to scramble out before dog is out
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