Stephen has just come home from taking Hudson for a run on the springer (attached to the bike) ...on the way around , Hudson saw a Samoyed , out walking with a child of about 12-13. Hudson went over to say hello (on the springer he has a long lead ..) and , as he approached , quite slowly and wagging , to have a sniff , the Samoyed attacked him with no warning at all . Hudson , being a malamute went back at him. The poor kid was terrified and couldn't hang onto the Sammy. Stephen was off the bike and pulled Hudson away in about 45 seconds flat , but the Sammy was STILL going for H....

My crossness is ...why is a CHILD being allowed to walk a dog that isn't completely bomb proof??? Can you imagine the scenario if it had attacked another dog , one who was offlead and whose owner was a mile away??

Fuming

Melody :(

Melody, are Hudson and Stephen alright? I agree with you, NO child should be allowed out alone with any dog that they are unlikely to be able to control at any time.
I think that the Samoyed was probably an entire male who saw Hudson as a potential threat. Malamutes aren't the only Spitz breed with dominance problems. My old Samoyed was the same. If another dog invaded his space, poarticularly if it was another male, he would respond. Difference was that I was able to anticipate and deal with it before contact was made.
I'm assuming that the child was able to hold on after Stephen managed to part them as otherwise he and Hudson might have had more trouble than they did.
Hope you don't have any more experiences like that!
Jean

Oh yes ...Stephen and Hudson are fine ..we were more worried about the lad ..Stephen made sure that HE was okay and made Hudson sit and stay whilst the lad went off with the Sammy.

Obviously , Hudson needs to learn that not ALL dogs are up for saying hello :( But at the same time we were both shocked that a kid was allowed to walk a dog likely to do that .. :(

Hudson doesnt generally even look at small dogs luckily as his run and walk areas are littered with them :D But bigger dogs he always wants to say hello to.

Mel

:)

I think that it is illegal for a child under 14 to be in sole charge of a dog in a public place.

Daisy

I had a similar problem a few years ago with Floyd only it was sort of the other way round. Now as you know Floyd is a very dominant dog who hates his space being invaded. Ian was walking him on a lead and this child of around 13 turned up with this entire male dog who was loose. Floyd froze, as he tends to, sizing up the opposition, and this male dog continued to come on towards him.
I wish you could have seen the body language of this other dog. His hackles were up, his head and ears were up, and his tail was stiff. Top dog dominance was oozing out of him. So I, thinking that if these two get within striking distance they will fight, calls to the lad to put the dog on a lead. All he did was open his mouth and ignore me, so I called again and he still looked as if remembering his name would be a challenge too far. He had no idea at all about reading the body language of the dog at all and still his dog came on. And of course it happened, the dog launched itself at floyd and they had a scrap. Ian having Floyd on a short lead pulled floyd out of it but this lad had no idea what to do or how to get his dog off. So we had the ridiculous situation of floyd and Ian backing off rapidly while the other dog took one step forward for every one of theirs back.
Eventually me and the lad managed to get his dog under control and on a lead but boy did I give him a piece of my mind, telling him that he should not be out with a dog loose that he had no control over.
This lad then looked me in the eye and said ' Yeah, whatever...' and walked off. Oooooh I was so mad I was speechless.

You know exactly how we felt then Jayne :( :(

Stephen said that this Sammy looked fine ..he just *turned* very quickly ...Hudson kept grumbling when Stephen was making him sit and stay ....he really didn't want to leave it ;) Bossy swine

Floyd and Hudson ........two bodies ..one mind :D

Mel :)

hi, glad Stephen and Hudson are ok, but have an even more horific horror story for you. Well, 2-3 actually all involving the same dog!!!

Round the the corner from Liza's mums house, there is an Akita, that is quite aggressive at times, the people who own IT, (dont know if its male of female, dident really want to get that close, and I like akitas) have a couple of children. The little boy is about 10, we were in the livivng room, one sunday afternoon, only a couple of weeks ago, about the 23rd, day after Freyas 1st show. and the akita goes belting past the window, lead dragging behind it..... few seconds later come the little boy, shouting, gesturing, FOLLOWING him are about 2-3 other little boys, all laughing and giggleing as they run!!!

Not wanting to get into any arguments, but akitas are and can be quite aggressive, I used to live next to an akita breeder, her dogs were gorgeous, but every so often there would be a massive fight, and one of her dogs would end up at the vets for stitches. Before we found the malamute, I wanted an akita, but wasent sure if the temperement was someting I could handle. I know that there are some very placid akitas out there, as a friend has one. But going back to the one above....

Before we moved into our house, we stayed at Liza's mums for several weeks, again one afternoon, i was out working on my motorbike, and i see a blur, the back is a long road that everyones back yards/gardens lead onto , the akita had got out of its yard, and the kid was trying to get it back in, the dog was growling at the kid, mmmmm, i went over to help, and luckly, was wearing my leather trousers, bike boots, and a seatshirt, hands covered in chain lube, managed to get the akita to back up, and move in the direction of their yard, all the while it was saying hello.... "GGGGRRROOOOOOOWWWWLLLLLLL"

to cut a long story short, managed to get the dog into the yard and the gate shut, the gate however was about 4 feet high! the kid said thank you, and said that the dog often jumped the gate, and that his parents were out shopping.

!!!!!!!!!!! *Hand thrown up in the air*!!!!!!!!!!!

cross... mmmmmm understatement!!

jay

:D I know how you feel :)

Mel :D

Big Ole Murphy, Taiko, my Dad and I were out for a walk a few nights ago. Now Taiko is fine (for now) with other dogs and easy enough to control should he decide to have a go, but Murphy weighs in at just under 9 stone and is very very very large. Whilst Murphy isn't aggressive or an instigator he will not let any dog get away with growling at him. So there we were walking up a quiet street when a man with a collie turn the corner. We cross the road to avoid said man and collie. The collie starts yapping and growling. Whilst Taiko is contently cocking his leg, Murphy jumps up on his hind legs, standing taller than my Dad and lets out a very mean gutteral growl, luckily he's not going anywhere because my Dad has perfected the art of rooting yourself to the spot rather than being mal dragged. My Dad is busy with the old "NO! Murphy no, bad boy". I look up to assure collie man that Murphy is a pussycat really only to see collie man and collie running away giving Seb Coe a run for his money. I know I'm mean but this guy looked hilarious. I just know he had many a tale to tell in the pub about a rabid beast.:D Obviously if Murphy was a bad lad of a dog, this would not be funny but he is a big softie whose looks are so decieving. Seeing Murphy and Taiko together,enjoying eachothers company, defying the two male mals can't mix thing makes me really proud. My Dad and Murphy encountered one dog off the lead that attempted to anklebite Murphy, luckily Murphy just placed his mouth over the other dogs muzzle and this was enough to get the dog to freeze until the halfwit owner (who thought it funny:rolleyes: )retrieved his dog.
Is there anyway of finding out where the sammy lives and having a word with the responsible (ahem) adult of the household?
Julie :)

Had to laugh at the picture painted by you of the collie man running away :D :D

I think you said it yourself though ...what *responsible* adult would LET a child out with a dog like that? I think we just need to be on the lookout for the mutt whenever we are out and make Hudson take a different route OR make him sit quietly whilst it goes past. If I see an adult out with it though ....

;)

:D

Melody

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Melody. You'll have to be on the look out for the same dog and take a swift detour because if Hudsons anything like Floyd he will have made a mental note of this dog, right down to its inside leg measurement :) and will have a pop at it based on memory alone. Floyd was a swine whenever we saw this dog afterwards. It was still being walked by the same kid, off lead on pavements, along with two other dogs. All off lead :(
I havn't seen it for quite a while and I can't say I miss it.

I do recall years ago,(over a decade ouch!) a very large dog trying to mount our old family dog. My poor bitch was a good age and arthritic/blind/deaf ...you name it, and yes definitely on a leash. This huge black beast just climbed aboard. Pre childbirth I was commonly described as frail....translation skinny weakling. I had such a job trying to pull my bitch away from the sex fiend, trying to push him away from her, putting myself between them..god forbid any accidents:D The dogs owner calmly walked over as if nothing was happening. I was quite upset, my bitch was very distressed...she was pure and untouched by animal lust(except when she got to grips with bedding or legs :D ) After screeching at this woman to get her mutt off my dog she finally walloped the perv with her walking stick. Now I don't endorse animal cruelty but my only regret is that I didn't wallop her with the stick too or at least given her a piece of my mind regarding leads and dogs etc. I did wonder in what circumstances she'd perfected the technique of calming the dogs passion though....
Seriously though it is really infuriating and distressing when your dog suffers due to an irresponsible dog owner or at least a dog owner with no control at all.
Julie :)

Gosh its good to hear that other people have had horrible days with other dogs!!. I was walking in the local park with my 2 cardis and saw a large xbred dog running towards us with his hackles raised, so I put my 2 on the lead. Oh, dont worry says his owner he only wants to play, why do they always say that, cos I have found that is NOT the case. Anyway, I got my 2 sitting whilst the owner comes running up, the dog is growling now, which does not please my male corgi, I know he is not as strong as a Mal, but he is still a lot of dog to handle. When the owner catches her dog she then says.....it is no good me calling him as he is stone deaf. Well, words failed me, though when I got home I thought of all the replies I could have said.

I had an incident in the park the other day - i was walking ebbie and had finn in my arms, with jake and jess walking with me. Jake ran off ahead a bit and as i was watching him I noticed this guy with a boxer who he couldn't control. Shouted at Jake not to go near - if that boxer had wanted to go the man had no chance - couldn't even get him to walk ???? Anyways, jake stopped where he was - he's only 4 but knows not to go near dogs he doesn't know - and i'm behind him - i really wouldn't have walked that way cos of the other dog but cos jake was there i wanted to get him away plus this guy was walking towards the exit so i thought he would continue - the dog was already eying ebbie up. I couldn't believe the man though - went towards jake with this dog straining at the lead with hackles up and telling jake to say hello!!!!!!! I gave finn to jess and told her to walk back the way we had come and grabbed jake. As i did so - the dog went for ebbie - i think the guy realised at that point that his dog wasn't the friendly sort and rushed out of the park. What i didn't realise until the guy had disappeared and we had walked on a bit was this dog had nearly taken a chunk out of ebbie's tongue, wasn't till i saw drips of blood that i realised.

I was sooo cross, and sooo relieved and thankful that it hadn't been jake - not that i wanted ebbie hurt either but u know - kids come first in some situations.

Nikki xxx

Came back to B'ham for Crufts....brought one of our dogs with us...not showing, he stayed with my Mom whilst we were out.

Anyway, we came back, decided to take our dog for a walk...ON the lead, an idiot on the other side of the road was walking up with a collie OFF the lead.....and the collie ran across the road, in front of I dunno how many cars....and tried to attack our dog. The owner of the Collie stood there laughing and shouting "Oh, he's only trying to play"

Well, that owner got a piece of my mind.

We try to be responsible, and it's all ruined by idiots like that.

How annoying. :(

Lisa :)

Im not having a nag, but please be careful! If there had been a nasty injury, it is illegal I believe to exercise a dog from a bicycle. Weve all done it, but you can end up in a nasty legal situation, and if there are no witnessess, guess who is in the biggest pile of doggy doo?

ps, I think I read in an earlier post that congrats are in order for crufts! Or have I got the wrong person?
Sorry if so!

I don't know who the post is to Jane , but if it were illegal to excercise a dog from a bike I doubt if Springers would be legally allowed to be sold in the UK ?

Melody :)

I think they are sold for use off the public highway only. Will look it up, but a mate of mine got a right b******ing off a copper one day for it.

Edited as Jane changed her post ;) :D

I know, I was being awkward and thinking out loud, but hit send by accident. Youve replied while I was frantically trying to hit edit and change it so it made sense!
SORRY!!!

Well Stephen was off the public highway ..but I would still want any policeman to tell me exactly what law I was breaking ;)

Melody

Please accept my apologies Melody, you are completely correct. Just run an advanced search on yahoo for cycle and springers and found them. Then closed window and found that Sara had e-mailed me to say she had not got a b******ng for having the dog, but for having a hand off the bars. I stand corrected! I wasnt nagging anyway! I hate naggers!

:D

Thats okay ..you did have me worried for a while though ;)

Melody

Unfortunately alot of us end up with dodgy dogs through no fault of our own.

Several years ago my father was stopped in the street by a lady (we had a ridgeback pup) and wanted to know all about it etc, saying that she had got hers from a chap who worked shifts and only let it out every 24 hours. She had persuaded my father to go walkies with her(luckily as I found out later she didn't turn up at the alotted time)

One plesant afternoon my now passed on Choccy lab (a gentle and friendly soul) was wandering gently through the woods with me when a ridgeback appeared. Max wandered up to say hello and was viciously attacked. I managed to seperate the two dogs (luckily Max was not retaliating), whilst the owner stood still on the path saying "come here boy, come here". I gave her a piece of my mind.

She turned up at my fathers a couple of days later to go walkies with our puppy & her dog. He asked if her dog had been in a fight recently with a chocolate lab. Her response was that the young lady with the dog had been terribly rude. When asked if she would like to pay my vetinary costs (which were considerable) she left and was never seen again.

It took me 5 years to reverse the mental damage it did to Max, even having to muzzle him in public for several months.