Hi guys,

Maybe I'm having a dim moment but I am struggling to find how the Import Register process is started.

I am interested in a breed which is recognised and shown in it's home country. This country's Kennel club is a full member of the FCI however this breed is not recognised, nor provisionally recognised, by the FCI.

If I were to import this breed I would like to show in the import register class and keep up a pedigree for future generations.

I see news on the kennel club website like, for example:
"The Braque d'Auvergne has been recognised by the Kennel Club with effect from 1st April 2016. The breed will be classified in the Gundog Group (HPR) on the Imported Breed Register.

The Braque d'Auvergne is an ancient French HPR gundog breed and has had an FCI breed standard since 2004. A Kennel Club breed standard is being developed and when this is published, the breed will be able to be entered at Kennel Club licensed shows ."

And then an interim standard is published, then they are eligible for exhibition. After the breed has an estabished population the breed is accepted to the breed register. Correct?

Do I have to submit the standard or something? Is that the job of communication between kennel clubs not a private individual like myself? How long is this process before I could start taking action to actually import the first dog of this breed, or do I import the dog first to start the process?

As far as I'm aware if the country of origin is a member of the FCI then your breed has to be recognised by the FCI before our KC will accept it onto the Import Register.

There are breedsvrecignised by Nstional breed clubs but not FCI.

As.the KC has teciproval arrangements with National Kennel Clubs, and not FCI.which is an umbrella orhanidation, then I'd think the National KV would have precedence???

Actually I kindof wish I hadn't posted as my source for that information may not have been reliable   It came up in conversation about silkens a few years ago, when it was floated by some that maybe we could fudge the country of origin, make a European silken windhound as they are recognised in a few European countries, but then not the FCI so there was no point. But thinking back, the whole conversation was nonsense so Brainless you're probably right

From trawling through the Facebook group "import register support group" it looks like you need to have large number of dogs already in the country before an application for the breed to join the import register can be submitted. I still can not see this information on the kennel club website, and I cant find how they handle maintaining pedigrees of these first few dogs if you can't submit them to the KC. Very bizarre process, I wish I could find a document on the KC website to just outline it all in plain English :(

Well Kennel Club site absolutely hopeless.

Search engine brings up nonsense, and none of the main heading have anything about how the breed register works, let alone how to have new breeds recognised or Import register.

So I suppise you'd need to contact them.

Someone I was in contact with, who had a pair of Jamthund s (Swedish Elkhounds), was able to Register them and their litter with the Irish Kennel Club.

The IKC are FCI members, so accept FCI accepted breeds.

If it's a breed only recognised by country of origin, some countries still allow registrations for pups not resident.

The Braque D'Auvergne are shown overhere, I often see them as my breed are in the same classes.
You personally wouldnt need to do anything particular  other than register your dog and show up.

I am not sure if there is an active club but there is at least 1 breeder working hard with the breed. The movement to breed recognition can take years and years and i can't imagine it being any time soon for these dogs, there is an interim breed standard for the breed https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/breed-standards/gundog/braque-d-auvergne-imp/#:~:text=Ideal%20height%2060%20cm%20(23,ins)%20either%20way%20is%20acceptable.

and there is a breed club https://www.braquedauvergneassociation.co.uk/

https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/about-us/about-the-kennel-club/the-kennel-club-codes/registration-rules-and-regulations/

If I'm reading this correctly then as long as the breed is recognised in a country with which the KC has a reciprocal agreement, then you import first and should then be able to register on the import register.

There's also a bit here: https://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/breed-standards/

But yes, the website is impossible to search properly.

Hmmm, maybe if they accept a special scenario? ... but if I look at it the other way around the KC only like to register a dog if the dog is registered to an address in the UK, if all KCs did this then the method of using the home counties KC won't work and the pedigree is lost ... I don't have an address in the breeds home country.

I think they did have a page about this in the past, I saw a promising link on Facebook but was met with an Error 404 message at least this would mean I wouldn't have to wait on the FCI, and then get going here... I'd be ancient by then, and I'm only late 20s now haha

It isn't specifically the Braque D'Auvergne, this was just an example about Kennel club's reporting in their news section, as well as many other examples.
It just raises my question about the process leading up to getting on the Import Register. How did they get there's? As far as I can tell you can't even form an official breed club until you're on the import register, and what can I do as a privateindividual?

What country?

Google 'Kennel Club of (country)' and your likely to find a website.

Specifically I was looking at the Rajapalayam from India. Not going to be a while yet before I'm ready, and maybe it will never happen, but lockdown leaves us time to daydream a lot haha

Well there are breed clubs set up for breeds not recognised by UK kennel club.

Chaumsong, how are the silkens doing it.

As far as I know people either register the dogs with the country of origin for continuity or have someone in the proposed breed club set up registration to keep records.

As I understand it the Silken club require DNA confirmation of parents and puppies.

https://www.inkc.in/guidelines-for-dog-litter-registration-and-transfer/

I don't think that is the real Indian Kennel club as the FCI refers to them as KCI (Kennel Club of India): http://www.fci.be/en/members/members.aspx?iso=IN
and many breeders of Rajapalayam advertise KCI registration not INKC

Although the KCI website is horrific, at least on mobile. If it gets to it I would communicate with breeders in India about how their kennel club works, but from a UK KC perspective I'm not finding much info either

Kibiko:  > If it gets to it I would communicate with breeders in India about how their kennel club works

Have to agree the UK KC is horrific since the new website was introduced.  As a Forum, there is no control over Global (including Indian KC's ways of working).  There are knowledgable people who can help you on here with further links/suggestions - it's just being patient and giving people the option to respond. (for info - I have no clue about the Import Register)

Some Countries have more than one legitimate Kennel Club, but reciprical arrangements are usually with just one.

Off the top of my head in USA you have AKC and UKC and many show under both.

In Russia there are two competing organisations, so India may be similar ( I am of course not counting the Mickey Mouse puppy farm registries).

Just looked up the breed. How do they go about showing them in India as it states they do not like being touched by strangers and will charge if they feel someone is a threat

I would speak to some of the breed clubs on the import register now to see what they had to achieve before the breed was recognised by our KC.
I know it took a while for the Pumi, I believe a number of dogs had to be resident in the UK and other bits had to be done as well before they could be recognised here.

> Off the top of my head in USA you have AKC and UKC

Yes, that's our (silken) problem. The parent club (International Silken Windhound Society) went for UKC registration rather than AKC which does nothing for European owners and breeders as neither the FCI not our KC have reciprocal arrangements with UKC. So, all our silkens started out with just ISWS registration, then the stud book was copied to UKC and we were all issued registration forms from them, but the ISWS continues to be the primary registration body because they don't want to lose the power to insist on DNA verification, which isn't apparently possible under the UKC system. Pups born the last few years continue to be ISWS registered but also have the option of UKC registration too, whether they live or were born in the USA or not. I don't know of anyone in Europe who has bothered with UKC registration too as it's pointless for us.

We investigated all sorts of ways to get on the import register here, but it's impossible without AKC recognition which the parent club haven't applied for, one of the main issues is the DNA verification, we lose that when we move to AKC. Actually for a few years until her Mum moved job there was a silken lying on the sofa in the KC offices at Clarges Street, but even that inside 'man' couldn't help.

We do have a have a breed club here in the UK, apparently there needs to be one (and only one) for when the breed does get AKC recognition and then applies for KC registration.

A terrible shame, but keeping the tighter contril with DNA verification and heakth testing has got to be the better option for the breeds integrity.

Wish our Kennel Club would catch up.

Without it I could see Greeders ruining the breed calling every Whippet lurcher a Silken.

> A terrible shame, but keeping the tighter contril with DNA verification and heakth testing has got to be the better option for the breeds integrity.

Yes, absolutely. Hopefully all kennel clubs will one day catch up then it would be simple to apply for AKC recognition and still retain a complete DNA register and the ability to test the entire breed when new dna health tests become available, as they did for DM. Interestingly Silkens are the only breed who can say they will never get DM, all our earliest founders were negative, we don't have the gene to pass on

There has already been a German lady who sold borzoi crosses as silkens, one poor lady who bought one came on the facebook silken page to show it off, to be told it was a lovely cross, but definitely not a silken.

Theres a FB page Import Register Support Group - but before the KC will consider a breed there need to be plenty here, of different lines, health testing well and improving, they like to see a breed club and they need to support the type of dog that it is.

It then takes forever to get the KC to approve a breed standard - it is a huge slog and can take years and years - but there is way more invoved than the dog being recognised by a country with which we have a reciprical aggreement.

Took 12 months between the KC regognising my breed and us actually being on the IR with accepted breed standard - and over 10 years before they got to that point too.