I have a lot of long coats.  As a lot of you know, I got fed up of people wanting a handbag dog, and ended up keeping a lot of litters.  It's a good job that they only have 1-3 pups usually!

So all my bitches are spayed now.  All my dogs are entire but not used at stud.  And I don't know why I've been searching for "Long Coat Chihuahua puppies for sale."  Stupid woman.

Hells bells, some people advertise Chawawa's.  Others advertise Long haired.  They are Smooth Coat or Long Coat.  I've seen broken coat puppies for sale.  What the hell are they?

And even better ones that say mum is long hair, dad is short hair and they aren't KC registered.  Durrr!  You can't register a x-breed Chihuahua with the KC.  Yet these cross breeds are advertised for sale at thousands of pounds.  Do they really get the prices that they're asking for?

That's my rant for today.

> You can't register a x-breed Chihuahua with the KC.

This confused me for a second because I thought this had been changed recently. Maybe I just remember discussions about it?

Or maybe it was dachshunds.

I’m very tired right now.

It’s interesting how what must have been a single breed once (I assume) has branched into two distinct breeds, with different breed standards. I guess to the average person they still look close enough that a chihuahua is a chihuahua is a chihuahua.

I believe in some places papillons are considered a different breed to drop-eared phalène, but the KC says they’re two varieties of the same breed and they are shown together. (You do get phalène-only classes at Papillon shows, but they can enter the regular classes as well.) Funny how they aren’t universally separated like chihuahuas or dachshunds.

Oh my word Phalenes are cute. They look a bit like cavaliers, but a whole lot healthier I guess. I have a natural preference for drop eared dogs and they tick a lot of my boxes

> I have a natural preference for drop eared dogs

See one man's meat is another man's poison.

I am the opposite, for me a dog must be prick eared.

Yeah, like a more delicately-built Cavalier with a spitz-like tail carriage.

I think they’re gorgeous but I do prefer the erect ears myself.

My River’s sire is a phalène. Mum has erect ears. The breeder kept the other dog pup who is registered as a phalène, but his ears were kind of half-and-half, floppy at the tips but a little too stiff at the base to drop properly. For showing you really want them to be either one or the other, so he went to a pet/agility home at 12 months.

By 18 months the ears were actually up!

I wonder how many other breeds there are where there’s multiple varieties within the same breed?

Belgian Shepherds - 4 Varieties (3 Coat types), but 1 breed.

Chows come in Rough and Smooth, as same breed.

Then you have some that have been seperated:

Norfolk and Norwich terriers,

Rough and Smooth Collies.

Irish and Irish Red and White Setters (The IRW was the original, and the self coloured breed is now a much finer build).

All the Dachshund Coat typesand sizes (2 sizes UK, and 3 in FCI Countries).

Sure there are loads more.

Then you have the confusion with Elkhounds, as they are a group of breeds, like Setters or Springers, Retrievers.

So we have the only one in UK the Norwegian Elkhound.

There is the Jamthund (Swedish Elkhound) originally registered with the Norwegian as one breed, but seperated in 1946. They are much larger rangier and have characteristic white markings.

From them came the White Swedish Elkhound.

The Black Elkhound is smaller and virtually indistinguishable from a black Norwegian Buhund.

Lots of breeds started as types within a breed and then became so distinct that they became seperate breeds.

Covkers come to mind, officially 2 breeds American and English, but you then you have the very distinctly different Working type????

Fascinating Barbara, thanks! Looks like sometimes they split into multiple breeds and sometimes they don’t.

I suppose Cockers and Springers count too, as they used to basically be the same thing. Just different jobs for different sized dogs, but of course they’re quite different now.

My dachshund friend tells me that smooths were probably crossed with spaniels to created the long-haired type for working in colder climes.

The Kennel Club does now allow inter-variety breeding of Long and Smooth Coat Chihuahuas. This was at the request of the breed health co-ordinator, and came into effect 05/06/2020. It was supported by the majority of the breed clubs.

I thought the breed was split long ago, and only the throwbacks could be registered into correct coat.

So is it this proviso that has been removed, assuming so that along with the coat the potential for crossing in an issue known in one breed and not the other can be avoided???

I believe the move was to increase genetic diversity. I imagine that a breeder would be allowed to register a puppy as the coat type they most resembled. There has been a similar plan in  Dachshunds, but think that is related to a specific health issue.

Belgian Shepherds are classed as four different breeds with separate CCs. In the UK the Tervueren and Groenendael are the only two that can be interbred and that only with prior permission of the KC if the breeder can make a case that it is necessary to widen the gene pool. The breed standard does say though that the only difference between the four types is the coat

It doesn't make sense that some varieties are classed as separate from each other and can't be crossed simply because of coat and/or colour.

To me, it's daft that Chihuahuas and BSD cant be KC registered if they have parents of different coat types.  Other breeds like Border Collies, Griffons, Chows and probably others come in a variety of coat colours and types but are classed as one breed.

But the older I get, I  realise a lot of what happens both with dogs and in general life don't make common sense!

PBGV and GBGV have been split

I believe they have always been seperate in the UK.

From what I understand, the first PBGVs in the were registered as just BVG, this changed prior to the first GBGV arriving in the UK.