Hi ive recently mated my dog, her booster was due, the vet recommended giving her the booster even after she was mated.  Ive since read online that this was not the best thing to do.  Can anyone advise.

It's a bit late now     Wise after the event, but we always made sure our girls were utd with their boosters before being mated.   And we wormed them then too.

The main issue may be that the pups maternal immunity will last longerand negate their vaccination if given to soon.

So bearing this in mind I would advise pups are vaccinated with a 4 week gap between the two vaccines ( they can be given at 2 - 4 week intervals), delaying the first to 10 weeks, with 2nd at 14 weeks.

Owners could titre test after first to see if it had taken, then second would not be needed ( except lepto).

I prefer not to start vaccinations for my own pups until 10 weeks, but can just about still carry them to 12 weeks.

I felt the question was what should the op do about her bitches booster as it is now due and she maybe pregnant . Is it better to have booster after the pups are born than now ?

Ah, didn't read it that way.

As I don't booster at all after the first one at a year, then I'd say don't.

Hi thanks for your replies, I should probably have been clearer in original post. We didnt realise we had missed her yearly booster, so started a fresh course.  First vaccine given on 3/12.  This is a working gundog, when further covid lockdown was announced and an end to the shooting season we decided to mate her.  Mated on 17/12, second booster now due.  Vet advised to go ahead,  second vaccine given on 20/12.   We have since read on internet that this can cause deformities in pups or death of pups at a couple of days old and possibly best to abort pups.  Has anyone any experience?  Thanks

I havnt dealt  with the situation u describe but would go no further now.
Given she has been vaccinated up to now and sounds like annually there is more than a chance she is covered anyway .
I would wait until after the pups and reconsider what she needs .she shouldn't be starting the whole course from the beginning as if she is a pup anyway regardless of being pregnant.

Contraindications https://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/?id=-458681
Quote: "Do not use "during pregnancy."

Also for dogs over 10 weeks only 1 dose required. https://www.noahcompendium.co.uk/?id=-458680

I read this as already having been done.  I have no experience of whether this might affect the puppies re deformaties, miscarriage or whether you should go ahead and abort this pregnancy.    One thing is for sure, if the vet went ahead with re-vaccination/boosters knowing she had been mated,  and knowing the potential for risk if there is any, you'll know who to sue should the worst happen.   Personally I'd cling to the hope he knew what he was doing.

We didn't give our puppies their first vaccination until they were 10 weeks by which time we 'assumed' all the natural immunity from mum had dropped.

Hopefully (or maybe not!) somebody here might have experience of vaccinating/boostering after a mating.   Meanwhile I'd keep off the internet - although useful, the notion that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, is true.   You might scare yourself to death, for no good reason.

FWIW - I checked (yes on the internet ) and found this had been discussed before ...
https://forum.champdogs.co.uk/topic_show.pl?tid=137747
Most of it has to do with mum being able to pass on max. immunity to her puppies .... but although I didn't read it all, I didn't see any mention of deformed puppies etc.

ps.   Most people only give Lepto annually (if they do at all!) and the rest are on a 3-yearly booster, unless a boarding kennel wants it done within the previous 12 months.

The datasheet clearly states should not be used in pregnancy and only 1 dose needed for boosters, so sadly I do not believe the vet knew what they were doing.

A srongly worded letter of complaint should be winging it's way to the Practice Manager.

https://www.zoetis.co.za/_locale-assets/pdf/vanguard-2.pdf

Under Warnings this sheet clearly says vaccination of pregnant bitches should be avoided.    I'd keep this for further/future reference.

Oh my goodness I'd be ballistic with my vet if this happened. For multiple reasons.

>We didnt realise we had missed her yearly booster, so started a fresh course.  First vaccine given on 3/12.  This is a working gundog, when further covid lockdown was announced and an end to the shooting season we decided to mate her.  Mated on 17/12, second booster now due.  Vet advised to go ahead,  second vaccine given on 20/12.  

Point one:

You do NOT need to restart boosters just because you miss one!!! That is total BS and a money-making scam by vets. A dog needs just one vaccination a year if they have been previously vaccinated and if you miss a year or even two or three years, a single vaccination is all that is required. Two vaccinations are only needed for the initial course. Vaccine amnesties just make zero sense immunologically speaking. You would only need to give an adult dog two vaccines if the dog's vaccine history is unknown and there's a chance the dog might be a stray and previously unvaccinated.

Point two:

Your vet had clear advice in the data sheet that vaccines should not be given during pregnancy. Whether one of them or two.

Vets like this make me sick. I would seriously email them the data sheet from Noah Compendium online and request a refund for your two vaccinations at the very least.

As it was so early on in pregnancy, my guess is that the pups will be ok in terms of development because they are well-protected from environmental toxins until they attach - and they won't have done that 3 days after mating. But as Brainless says, the pups are going to end up with longlasting antibodies as a result of this vaccination so if new owners give pups vaccines at 8wks and 10wks or even 8wks and 12wks, they are unlikely to be protected. New owners should be advised to delay the final vaccination until 18-20wks.

For future record, your dogs do not need a vaccination of anything every year. They need just ONE DHP vaccination at a time when maternal antibodies have worn off, and they are protected for life. If you want them vaccinated for Lepto and parainfluenza and KC as well, then they will need those annually - but those are not core vaccinations. My own dogs don't get them and never have done, pregnant or not.

Absolutely agree with your post 1234, apart from this part?

>You would only need to give an adult dog two vaccines if the dog's vaccine history is unknown and there's a chance the dog might be a stray and previously unvaccinated.

I didn't think an adult dog ever needs two vaccinations of DHP? Only two injections, 4 weeks apart if using Lepto 4.

Vanguard - 10 weeks of age and older, A single dose of Vanguard 7

Nobivac - Primary course vaccination: A single injection should establish active immunity in dogs of 10 weeks of age or older.

I would not be putting any vaccinations in her now whilst she has been mated unless it's the herpes one. I was of the understanding the the core vaccines are suitable to give to a pregnant dog anyway, I'm sure it's on the Noah Compendium which clarifies that.

You can give Nobivac to pregnant bitches, but I wouldn't.

>I didn't think an adult dog ever needs two vaccinations of DHP? Only two injections, 4 weeks apart if using Lepto 4.

Yes sorry, I was posting if someone wanted to vaccinate conventionally with the Lepto and Pi component as well.