i have an 8 year old staffordshire bull terrier called bruno which i have had from pup and have recently lost an english bull terrier bitch (myrtle) as she had a twisted stomach. i recently advertised for another bull terrier and someone has phoned me saying they have a 1 year english pit bull bitch. they want to sell her to me for £250. but is there such thing as an english pit? if so, do they have to be registered, muzelled? can anyone let me know before i decide to buy this dog?

There is no such breed to my knowledge

There are American Pit Bull Terriers, Bull Terriers and Staffs

be very careful, if it is a pit then it should not legally be in the country.

Theresa

I agree with nougatti:)
But is it possible they are giving an english bull terrier the wrong name??
Alison

I think the pitbull is a cross breed .
There is no Pitbull breed recognised by the UK Kennel Club .
There is an American Staffordshire and Irish Staffordshire but personally i have not heard of a pure English pit bull. Pitbulls were not allowed to breed as part of the Dangerous Dogs Act Introduction back in the early 90s and yes , they had to wear a muzzle in public .
I think you need more specific info from Mr Murphy if he is about
Lel

Hi Lel

I have replied via e mail. I think its a case of someone not knowing the difference between an EBT and an APBT. I hear the EBT being described as a pit bull regularly.

Regards Mick

dear vicki i am in the u.s. and i have a.p.t's and i never heard of a english so be carefull

I even looked it up in the new dog encyclopedia and never found an english pit bull just an english bulldog.

ttfn :)

The English Bull was and is used as a pit fighting dog, so it may be that the advertiser has used pit as a generic term for the dog

dont listen to them,pits originated in this country.irish staffs & engish long legged staffs have been called english pits,these are also not K.C reg.
american staffs in my town ,look like big staffscan also look like a engpit long legs big head not qiet an american pit. only reason i looked on this site was im looking for apit my self.always had pits or so called banned dogs,being mungralls realy no interbreeding its uto the owner how the dog is.mines always likes to play & loves kids.
please let me know about your pit,orsellars address

Interesting Email addy :(

Says it all, really. :(

engish bul trrier is no a english pit ,crossed with a staff mite be 1

Not sure if what you are saying makes sense or not. Can you write in normal English please, I don't know if what you you are using is the sort of thing you use to send text messages but I for one have not a clue what your are saying.

I think it is GCSE english Jackie :D

Hi,

I might be late but like Mr Murphy I have heard EBT described as English Pit bull's too. A lot of people seem to describe them as such. Just a general error, and no big deal. If you know what a EBT looks like and the people "sound" okay why not have a look at the dog?

Karen

Hi Karen, you mean you understood Stoo?

Actually I was replying to Vicki, but oddly Yes I think I did understand what Stoo was trying to write, however as Pit Bulls are banned in UK I hope he is not in this country and looking for a Pit Bull because in my opinion it's because there is demand that people try to breed what they call "Pit Bulls" but they aren't the real thing at all. However a Pit Bull should NOT to be taken lightly and in the wrong hands like ALL dogs could become a liability.

I personally don't think any Dog breed should be banned, but we SHOULD ban the Dog owners/breeders who are not responsible.

Sorry didn't mean to go on,

Karen

Hes talking about the KC so I would assume he is in the UK. He also says 'irish staffs .............these are also not K.C reg.' which suggests to me he is not talking about English Bull Terriers who, of course, normally are.

To be truthfull I have no idea what he/she is talking about and I am not too sure he/she does either.

None of yous know anything. An Irish Staffordshire Bull Terrier can be pedigree certified and be KC registered. Just not UK KC, its registered under UN KC which has full documentation, championship shows and board in Manchester UK. There is just not enough recognition for this breed I currently own one and it is no more dangeroous than any other dog. If anything its less than a normal staff, he fully understands and is frankly quite easy to train. Sometimes he can be a handful but even an inexperienced/first time owner can bring this breed up if they have enough time, money and patience on there hands (aslong as there firm and willing to physically tell off the dog also). They are also very loving and courageous. This board just makes me angry and depreseed your litlle wives tales about pit bulls and irish staffis make me sick. Dont listen to these guys, theres only one person that know something and thats MR MURPHY. Dont bulshit me, I have spkoen to many breeders and proffesionals in the irish staff business, they need to be physically hit (not abused or hit hard) but hit too be told.

Another stereotype reinforced. :(

Well, that lot's rubbish for a start! Where do they dig 'um up from? :(

Were do you det your ideas from!!!!
No dog needs to be physically punished!!!!
There are far easier and kinder ways of teaching your dog.
From Sarah.
Staffie, G.S.D and Malinois owner.

Ah, but if you hit them, Sarah, it makes you look "hard" and makes the dog fear you. Bullies like that.
Edit: And I mean people bullies, not a breed of dog.

Well, you people amaze me, how do you work out what is being said, and then understand it. Must say it is beyond me, read it twice and gave up.

I dont think you should ever hit a dog you can be firm with out any contact, your voice will work if you have trained the dog from puppy. and i own Bullmastiffs Bulldogs and cane-corsos.

An irish staffi has the 2nd highest pain tollerance (1st is the spanish bulldog) it can take a slap on the bum. It knows then that your being serious.

Interesting how do you know, reincarnation?

Methinks these people have horns. a beard & cloven hooves trip trap ?

A lot of people would agree with you there... many breeders and professionals in the Irish Staff business do need to be physically hit!

I would say!!

fair enuff I didnt come on to argue, just to inform

why is it that these bull breeds often attract plonkers as owners?? they really dont deserve to have a bad image!! You can train a dog without hitting it!!! Only idiots need to beat a dog to control it,how would they like a beating,eh????I suppose we are now waiting for a post from some dog fighters next, justifying their sport!!!

i hate to say it but i wouldnt be responsible for my actions if i saw anyone hitting ANY breed of dog. i cant see how beating a dog would control it , it would more than likely turn out to be a vicious dog , or a very nervous one.
if we did get people on here trying to justify dogfighting i hope admin promptly pull it, it is a cruel barbaric sport (thats if you can call it one!) that there is no call for in this world.
Jane.

How on earth can you tell which dog has the highest pain tolerance ???
Utter garbage !!!
Every animal feels pain and should not be subjected to it!!!

Its beyond me what they get out of it, all this my dogs harder than your dog, it totally distorts the bull breeds image. I for one think the most obvious trait of these dogs is their trusting and affectionate natures!

If you can stand to watch Animal Precinct tonight at 21.00 on Animal Planet, I think it is the Pitbull episode, it should make us even more determined to voice our opinions and deter the low life who seem to be crawling out of the woodwork everywhere at the moment!

Have to agree Lel, they can't find the pain threshold in man, and we can talk, how do you propose to tell with dogs, torture them and see which pass out first. The whole idea that someone would even consider trying to find out appals. What total rubbish some people talk and what makes it worse others believe.

Just like to make a point. Leave me out of this one. I dont hit my dogs. I have scruffed my male once when he was so wound up he was ignoring me. I am very firm in the handling of my dogs.

i have never hit my dogs either and they both know who the pack leader is.i agree with bandogs and other dominant bull breeds you have to be very firm i think more so than other breeds.

I'm sure you're correct. The trouble is, there are some total idiots who don't know the difference between being firm and being cruel (as shown by DOgowner).

Jesus, where did ya all crawl out of??

Why? do you think it is alright to hit your dog because i sure as hell dont, my dogs are strong and big but i train them to take notice of me with rewards and my voice, even my bulldogs take notice of me( well some times) and i have trained my male Cane-Corso and he is great, and i have trained other peoples Cane-Corsos with good results and one female had been ( trained by harsh methods and was becoming very bossy with her lady owner so i was asked to go and see this girl well a month into training with gentle handling and rewards she became a wonderful dog a pleasure to own. with your harsh handling of these dogs you make them into bad dogs.or a cowering wreck.

Ok you wont like this either......but yes ive had it out with Rogue,and no i dont feel guilty.I didnt like batter the poor girl and shes the 3rd dog ive had but unlike my other dogs she was just being a bitch and she knew it! I think some dogs ,especially sturdy dogs try thier hand to see what they can get away with and in the end ...ill admit it i kicked her arse just once not too hard but hard enough for her to know about it.i think it helped no end,my dog is not scared of me pays more attention to me and the order has been established,job done.Also the occasional holding her still by the collar and not letting her go till i decide when shes taking liberties.Now hold on it sounds worse than it is, but she now knows the script and hopefully it wont happen again.By the way my mate had 3 square goes with his staffy till they sorted out the pecking order,theyve not had a crossed word since which is about 8 years.

Rogue, you shouldn't have a dog. I have had LOTS of Staffies, Pits, AmStaffs with unknown past in my rescue and I had NEVER to establish the ranking by physical force. Train with brain not with brawn. If you can't do it then buy a teddy bear.

Sarah

Oh stop it get real,im talking about once or twice in the dogs life,im not on about comming home drunk and booting the dog around!
My mum smacked me once or twice and i mean once or twice and when she did i knew it was major.
Your telling me you never ever smacked your dog on the bum? ever?
Not even when they droped aload on the carpet infront of you when they knew what they were doing,and by the way it was the guy who runs my dog training classes who told me to do the holding the dog down thing when the dogs getting to wayward.My concions (spelt wrong i think) is clear,i may not be the best dog owner in the world but i love my dog to bits and treat her no diferently to any other member of my family.
Hmm now i sound like vlad the impaler or something.
Please take this all in the context its meant.

No, I have never smacked my dog if he's had an accident housetraining, I've assumed he needs more training! Dogs don't know how to "be defiant" or "be a bitch"....and you are simply asking for trouble by holding the dog down.

My mum smacked me once or twice - only she tried it when I got bigger and I smacked her one back. She didn't do it again. I would never raise my hand to my children, it just makes them resent the hell out of you for using physical superiority to "teach them a lesson".

<<<<Your telling me you never ever smacked your dog on the bum? ever?
Not even when they droped aload on the carpet infront of you when they knew what they were doing >>>
:( :(
Sorry but do youreally think a dog does this deliberately as a defiance gesture ??
As Chloe says , either it needs more training or you havent let it outside in time .

And people wonder why the breed has the reputation they do when owners are teaching the dog aggression like this :(

No i dont think its a form of defiance, it just like,she couldnt be arsed to remember!(and now that i think about it i remember clouting Bert the wonder dog once or twice when he was with me,and i defy you to find a dog who was ever happier than the life he had with me) And may i say what a load of boll@cks you two are speaking! "And people wonder why the breed has the reputation they do when owners are teaching the dog aggression like this" I take offense to that! the only "aggresion" she has is she might lick you to death!
I occasionally work offshore and im there now, your replys were bothering me,so ive been asking some of the boys i work with,one has laso apso`s the other a lab both looked at me like err yes once or twice why?
I was just givng you an honest answer,i know loads of people with loads of different kinds of dogs and im sure most of them if not all of them (girls included) have told there dogs off in a way THEY saw fit.
To say i shouldnt be aloud to have a dog ,and to basically make me out to be some sort of brain dead thug,who goes around hurting animals and training dog to be vicious is beyond me and very presumptuous on your part, you dont know me, have never met me, or Rogue.
I was just being honest, if youve never ever smacked your dog ever then well done, your either a saint or Barbara Woodhouse ,im sure i remember her bieng "firm" on occasions.
Anyway somebody who hits there mother back(if we are not talking about abuse or anything here) has a bigger character flaw than someone whos smacked there dogs bum once or twice.
I donot and have not hit my dogs on a regular basis,im just saying once or twice over the course of many years of owning dogs, i may have done, no big deal.Goodnight.x

im sorry but i dont advocate smacking anyone (unless yours or your childs life is in danger!), and i really and truthfully never had the need to hit anyone of my animals EVER!
i was NEVER smacked as a child , and my daughter is NEVER smacked i simply dont belive in it ! there is a right and a wrong way about teaching children the difference between right and wrong, and im sorry but that dont include smacking them ! and the same applys with dogs i am afraid ! wether they have dropped a load of carpet in front of you or not, its no good punishing them after they have done the deed ! you have to catch them in the act first, or how else is the dog going to know what they have done?
a dog dont have a concience(sp) , it dont look guilty or sheepish from knowing what it has done, its reacting from FEAR of what you may do if you are angry with it ! thats it and thats all !
Jane.

Sorry folks, but I don't think the occasional slap - and I don't mean punch, thump, wallop, beating or thrashing - is harmful, to dog or child. Hitting with anything other than an open palm is wrong, I would be the first to agree.

I can still remember why I got smacked when I was a child. I deliberately cut a hole in the knee of my new trousers when I was 6, because I wanted a patch on the knee. And I went missing for several hours when I was 8, when I'd been told when to be back because we had to go out.

I slapped my boy when he wouldn't leave the hot pans alone when I was cooking dinner, and, oddly, I didn't want him emptying the scalding contents over himself! He remembers it, too!

There are times when the sudden shock of a slap is what is needed to break the cycle of nagging, moaning and ill-feeling that can otherwise cause deep rifts in a relationship.

Just my opinion.
:)