I don't know= the advert disappeared a day later- i think people had reported it to the site as unacceptable.  Fashionable cut off ears though so I expect they had no trouble selling

Oh Weimed:
Excuse my ignorance but I have never heard of this practice. 
Which breeds are subject to this treatment, for what possible reason would a little puppy with it's ears cut off be desirable to anyone
and is there any Animal Welfare body who police this as they do the 'pitbull' spotters resulting in the dog being seized from the owner?

Ear cropping goes back a long time, supposedly done for practical reasons I believe (dogs used for hunting/fighting) as there is less for something grab hold of, and also for fashion. Horrible practice usually done nowadays to make a dog look more aggressive so Doberman's, pitbull and Staffords are subjected to it most commonly. Very common in America I believe.

Just look up their annual financial returns, all in the public domain--not made up claims.
You keep supporting this badly flawed "charity"

Ann R Smith:> You keep supporting this badly flawed "charity

We all need to have a balanced view of what this Charity is all about.  With financial returns available within the public domain, I believe you are right
that we should look further into this.

Could I just ask where we would find details of the successful outcomes they have achieved re Animal Welfare Projects during this financial year please?
(only because annual returns do not highlight the projcts behind spend)

Thanks in advance.

from the net : The American Kennel Club (AKC) currently recognizes certain dog breeds for which the show standard indicates cropped ears: Doberman pinscher (standard and miniature), Great Dane, Boston terrier, boxer, Brussels griffon, affenpinscher, American pit bull terrier, American Staffordshire terrier, bulldog, briard, cane corso, German pinscher, schnauzer (standard and giant), Neapolitan mastiff, Beauceron, Bouvier des Flandres, Manchester terrier.

In reality mongrels of large crossbreds also get their ears cut off to provide a 'harder look'  Its illegal in much of the world but Eastern Europe fairly common and people who wish to get round the UK ban import puppies that have already been legally done in their home country-- or claim they bought the puppy off a man in the pub and it was done before they bought it.   People who want crop ears aren't interested in KC papers as they don't want a show dog- they want something that looks like a weapon.   I've seen a dog with ears cropped in the flesh and it was brutal- there was not enough left to provide any protection to the delicate inner ear.   In American films you will quite often see Dobermans with their ears cut- they have supports taped to the remains of their cut ears for weeks after it is done so as the ear hardens in an upright position .  

I believe there is a petition going round to ban the import of crop eared dogs as these poor animals are not rescues- they are being bred and mutilated for the UK market. In the UK you cannot show a dog with cropped ears but thats not the market these dogs are aimed at.

and here is a dealer providing just that- order your puppy with ears cut off https://www.elitedobermannsuk.co.uk/cropped-and-docked/

vile. unacceptable and cruel
sign the petition here https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/333456/signatures/new

Signed.

Disgusting practice however hard they try to defend it.

Weimed:  Reading through your post, I cannot believe the majority of the public (including myself) are not aware of this despicable practice making debate on here 'small talk' by comparison.

Horrendous - owners who partake in inflicting such pain on an innocent puppy should have the same done to them!

We all as a Forum react strongly to Animal Welfare Issues highlighted re Breeding etc but this barbaric act puts the cruelty toward our much loved canine
friends on a totally different level.....

Weimed:  Signed!

I don't think I've ever met a dog person (i.e. exhibitor/breeder) who has had anything good to say about the RSPCA. There's so much wrong with them that I wouldn't know where to start to describe it. You only need to watch a couple of episodes of any TV programme about them to spot how illogical and uneducated a lot of them are. One example that was quite funny was the one where it was stated that bitches can produce 3 or 4 litters each year.

Maybe we also need to look at the practice of debarking or declawing cats. Fortunately   illegal in the UK
There is so many awful practices that humans inflict on animals

thankfully the debarking /declawing never really caught on in the UK.  
to be fair RSPCA did go after this UK breeder but the punishment was weak in my view https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-51235693

Not like it has in the us fortunately but it was legal for a while back in 1970 .
Declawing  still goes on under the counter so to speak and in some states in America it is still legal.
I fell out big time with someone I knew who had it done to their cat

don't blame you. poor cat.  no need for it.

Goldmali:

> I don't think I've ever met a dog person (i.e. exhibitor/breeder) who has had anything good to say about the RSPCA.

I knew nothing about this as an 'outsider' but it has promted me to reconsider my support of them as a charity. Subscription cancelled.

Looking more indepth, I hadn't realised that the RSPCA & the SPCA have different funding, financial dealings or that thry are are a
completely separate organisation so thank you for raising questions as a starting point.

On the other hand ref SSPCA, my friend bred a puppy dog who was sold to a relatively young person (40's if memory serves), this person also had another dog.

Next thing she hears is that the lady has died and both dogs were taken to SPCA.

They had the signed return to breeder contract, al the KC reg documents, details of parents DNA, and otbher Health Tests.

They flatly refused to let my freind have the  dog back as a responsvielbe breeder.

She asked them then to pass on the Health Paperwork to the new owners and her Cobntacty details, they refused.

Fortunately the new owners decided to join our breeds Facebook group, and she was able to be in contact with new owner, sent her copies of al his parental Health testing, photos of parents, grandparents etc.

She would ahve liked to show the  dog, and of course in a numericaly small breed like outs he may have made a useful impact on the Gene pool.

Blue Cross, would not allow another freind to rescue a young male by her dog whose breeder had emigrated.

They had no idea how the breed ticked and had toataly misread his lack of engaging with staff as aloofness, as when in a padock he would hunt around the perimiter and ignore them.

They condemn all breeders as irresponsible.

I asked RSPCA if they contacted the breeder when known, they told me 'there are no responsible breeders'???

I’ve been aware of the awful practice of declawing of cats for as long as I can remember but never really knew what was done, I just assumed the claw was somehow removed. I didn’t realise the the whole toe was cut off. Poor cats

I know someone with an imported Caucasian Shepherd with cropped ears and they’ve been cut VERY small.

I don’t think he expected the puppy to be cropped but what was he going to do, send him back?

The dog is fully grown now but he’s sensitive about his ears, so I suspect he either has some memory of the pain, or still has actual pain now. It’s not such a farfetched idea, humans report phantom pain in amputated limbs after all.

Yes jodi.its barbaric.many people.think it is  just trimming the nails but it isnt.
It leaves the animal molten in permanent pain and often claws try and regrow but deformed.  Restricts the cats ability to do normal activities as well.
There is a campaign called the paw project that is working towards getting this banned world wide. 
As this is an international forum albeit mainly British where thank goodness its no longer done .vets did used to I feel it Is worth mentioning in he context of the points raised about ear docking

I think as ear cropping has been banned in UK for about 120 years (1899) people in UK don't realise that it is the norm in many countries.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docking_(dog)

More and more EU countries are doing it less, but it is the norm in many breeds in USA, Eastern Europe etc.

I remember a poster in Canada who had Min Pins (which are bred with prick ears here) had cropped ones, and the reason was that many bred had ears that were large and flopped, so cropping ensured they stood.

" Common examples of dogs with cropped ears are Boston Terriers, Great Danes and Doberman Pinschers. The AKC currently recognizes 20 breeds with cropped ears." https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/issue-analysis-dispelling-myths/

Be great if we can get this thread back on topic!

I would like to add, I hope they show all the bad things that can happen to, like a C-Sec, the mother is lost at any time during or after Whelping, the draw backs of had rearing puppies. even after my breeding started in 1980 I have had all the above and more happen to me, and even with the high prices for puppies, to start now it should be two or more years before you get going with a new puppy bitch, and there is no guarentee the animal will make the breeding world until the health test are in place,  the council and planning, this list is endless, so much to go wrong, and take into account. I bet the program does not touch on all or much of the above points.

WHEN COVID FIRST STARTED BORRIS JOHNSONS SISTER CAME ON THE TELIVISION AND SAID SHE HAD JUST HAD A NEW PUPPY AND LOCKDOWN WAS EXACTLY THE RIGHT TIME TO GET A PUPPY, WHAT A STUPID WOMAN