BBC Three has commissioned Will My Puppies Make Me Rich?

'With average puppy prices doubling in the last six months because of Covid-19, this timely film will look at some of the 20-somethings looking to launch new businesses breeding designer canines'.

Full Article HERE

There is also a petition to try and stop the program being shown

Good - I think because all too often programmes/documentaries like this are biased, in the wrong direction.    As a result, I tend to stay away from them!!

Signed.   Although it may be premature?

Signed.

What a joke think I've spent more on mine than I ever got back if they mean rich in money.

Just my opinion but maybe I am rich just by having so many different personalities and over 30yrs of unconditional love and companionship of my bought and homered dogs.

This will only encourage more irresponsible people to breed as their the only ones making a good profit on it.

Responsible breeders that make very little because of the cost of health testing, vet fees will be tarred with the same brush.

Remember how bias pedigree dogs exposed was and had much incorrect information like RR ridge being a form of spina bifidia. Which it isn't. The correction was months later and only on their website which most people that watched the program wouldn't see. Many people still think this incorrectl information is true.

I agree crazydoglady .Reading this i immediately thought of pde and the damage that did with incorrect information

> Good - I think because all too often programmes/documentaries like this are biased, in the wrong direction.    As a result, I tend to stay away from them!!

Re-reading what I wrote here, I said 'good' because I think it's good, as long as what's been going on from BYBs and crazy prices, since Covid hit is the bias and the programme isn't just going to be encouraging young people to start breeding FOR MONEY.    Which I believe is probably the case - so I signed the petition to stop the airing of this.

As has been said here, we were happy if we broke even, with one, or perhaps two good puppies to take us into the next generation.   Most of the time we were massively out of pocket from our occasional litters.

I have signed the petition and shared it.

Signed.

Signed and shared

Front page of the bbc website now :

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55243532

Where is the Kennel Clubs input in all of this???

Mark as one of the few responsible puppy advertising venues, have you made some input, from your POV???

So that varying aspects of the dog world has an imput.

As these young breeders will be producing "designer" dogs not much the KC could do, but from what I understand they have(along with the RSPCA) complained to the BBC.

Glad to hear it.

As KC supposed to be about improvement of all dogs they should put forward their objections, and advise on responsible breeders.

Sick to death of decent breeders being considered the devil incarnate (by welfare/rescue etc) for breeding, due to irresponsuble purely commercial motivated breeding.

> Sick to death of decent breeders being considered the devil incarnate (by welfare/rescue etc) for breeding, due to irresponsuble purely commercial motivated breeding.

Hum.   I wonder whether my unfruitful efforts to find an older rescue in either of the two breeds I have some experience with (!) is because I used to breed?   Maybe I should ask the latest reject that exact question.

I think that could well be adding to your difficulties mamabas .wrongly of course.
Being in a number of fb dog groups I have seen many comments from people who dislike those who breed. Its the adopt not shop peoole mainly who consider all breeders are wrong.they think the only reason to breed is money and in many case the dogs arnt well looked after either 
Oh dear the arguments I've seen .not pleasant and very sad

Where do the ‘adopt not shop’ brigade think those dogs come from? Someone bred them! So people should only be able to have ill bred mutts from lord knows where. It makes me mad that good breeders, who do the testing and try to ensure good health (as far as they can) for the next generation, are pilloried. I can’t see how this programme is going to do anything but harm. Tabloid telly at it’s worst.

just seen on fb: as of yesterday the petition had 60 k signatures and some newspapers are involved as well as KC and at least one  vet who campaigns for animal welfare an dis seen on a number of tv shows

The KC:

Bill Lambert, head of health and welfare at the Kennel Club, said: “The Kennel Club, alongside many other animal welfare charities, veterinary groups, academic organisations and sector bodies, has serious concerns about the planned programme ‘Will My Puppies Make Me Rich’, which we understand has been commissioned by BBC Three.

“The sector has written a joint letter to the BBC programme controllers and commissioners to voice the worries of the group about the premise of the programme, which is felt to be irresponsible and could glamorise puppy breeding as a ‘get rich quick’ scheme when the reality of responsible dog breeding couldn’t be further from the truth.”

“The Kennel Club will also be independently contacting the producers to express our and the dog breeding community’s concerns.”

Thanks

Over 170 000 signatures now, in fact you can sit and watch the numbers go up!

https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/11/bbc-puppy-breeding-documentary-title-change-controversy-13739257/
They have changed the title .Will that help ?

Follow young dog breeders as they build up their business and become reputable.

Cart before the horse comes to mind.

They have changed the title .Will that help ?

No, because the BBC have misunderstood the entire objection from all these people that have signed the petition. The objection is that nobody should start a BUSINESS breeding puppies. It should never be a business.

That was my thinking Goldmali . On the one hand we are trying to curtail commercial breeding / puppy farming and on the other there is a program effectively suggesting breeding dogs is something you may decide to do if you want to start a business.

The title is recently much better now but they have still missed the point that the issue people have with the program is that promoting breeding dogs as a business isn't a great idea.
I'm imaging it's going to be a if u get a licence and clean kennels your good, no licence your bad. Yes there are some better comersial breeders out there but do we really need more breeders churning out dogs for the profit making business?

I'm imaging some young people who have gotten in some funny coloured frenchy or bulldogs, or maybe American bullies as their popularity has shot up they payed a lot for them now thinking I'll breed these too and make some money.

If they are going to continue the thrust of this programme, then changing the title won't make any difference.   The Beeb still seems to have missed the point of the concern expressed by REPUTABLE breeders!!

Without seeing the programme yet, is this going to be any different to what happened all those years ago when the Government encouraged the Welsh farmers to branch out and start breeding dogs?

Personally I think the BBC should scrap the entire programme.

> Beeb still seems to have missed the point of the concern expressed by REPUTABLE breeders!!

As with all previous posters, I totally agree that encouraging young people or anyone to start a BUSINESS as a Dog Breeder will
only add to the 'out of control' situation we find ourselves in at present, continuing it's longevity.

Broadcasters will be giving a false or at least biased impression with the theme 'Will Puppies make me rich' (or any other title this programme adopts).

Dog Breeding should not be seen as a business nor a quick profit making scheme.  Now people are becoming more aware of their
responsibilities, initially it will take a minimum 30/36 months before a litter can be produced unless you purchase adult dogs who
have been Health Checked for breed specific genetic illnesses or at least have one CLEAR/WELL SCORED parent/grandparent.

I doubt viewers of this programme will have any understanding of the responsibility required as a Breeder and I also agree that it should NOT be aired.

Its the prices causing the problem. Its a pity puppy price cannot be fixed at say £1000 and anything charged on top goes straight into animal welfare charities, take the profit out of it and the greeders will disappear.

I have always given 5% of puppy sale price to breed rescue and breed health fund, even when the litter has made a huge loss.

Breed rescue is primarily funded by people in the breeds.

Though puppy prices in my breed have never been high.

Hi could someone post the petition link within this thread?

I will like to sign it and will ask the Mayhew and my relatives to also add their signatures.

That type of programme would only lead to even more puppy farms and animal cruelty.

If u go up to the top of this thread the link to the petition is highlighted in blue.
sorry I cant copy it on my device atm

Noted and signed. Also shared the petition via my Twitter.
It is worrying that the BBC would be so irresponsible (and ruthless) knowing the influx of puppy farms and dogs that end up getting put down each year due to negligence etc

But then again, the BBC are a corporation they don’t care (that much) about lives just profit and ratings.  Look at the recent shocking news regarding the panorama Martin Bashir/ Diana interview .

Hopefully the RSPCA might be in a better position to influence them.

What influence does the RSPCA have on diliberate crossbreeding of dogs, after all they oppose the breeding of pedigree dogs(remember their chairman's describe of breeding" of pedigree dogs as"Breeding deformed and disabled animals is morally unjustifiable and has to stop.' & one of their current veterinary"experts states better to rescue than to buy from a responsible breeder)

I lost any respect I might have had for the R$PCA after 'that' programme when their 'chief vet' - who spent most of his time doing a car repair show on Sky - described my breed as 'a deformed mutant' !!! plus the times they gave evidence for prosecution in DD cases.

Hi @Anne
RSPCA is a legitimate charity that has a lot of influence in this country and could influence the BBC on that type of programme.

I cannot comment on the RSPCA chairman. However I can state that the RSPCA in central London treat animals with integrity.

Yes, their vetinary experts made that comment via the Dogs Trust Documentary and I noted they also have a campaign called #adoptdontshop. It is worth considering that perhaps the sole purpose of that is to clamp down on unnecessarily putting dogs down every year (around 50% of their healthy animals  are put down) and secondly, to reduce the influx of puppy farms. I doubt a charity that supports responsible dog ownership would want to discourage legitimate breeders. What they do write about, is the health complications associated with selective breeding i.e breathing complications with flat faced dogs  and French Pitbulls that can’t naturally give birth because they have been bred in a way to appear aesthetically pleasing etc
I have never seen any article on the RSPCA blog discouraging pure breeds at all.

I think what the RSPCA want to encourage is for animal owners to be mindful of the long term responsibilities and to save lives instead of being selfish and ignorant.

Vadeko:> RSPCA is a legitimate charity that has a lot of influence in this country and could influence the BBC on that type of programme.

So right Vadeko!  Any outside influenece to stop this programme should be welcomed - large, small or has 'clout'.

> What they do write about, is the health complications associated with selective breeding i.e breathing complications with flat faced dogs  and French Pitbulls that can’t naturally give birth because they have been bred in a way to appear aesthetically pleasing etc

Well said! This is also a huge danger area which needs to be highlighted and as important as Health Testing IMO
(perhaps it would rock too many boats with those keen for designer perfect dogs)

For me, and this doesn't include every RSPCA worker, I believe that they only come out if there's a TV camera involved.   Sad to say.

I actually have a clause in my Instructions for my hounds in my absence, saying on no account should either (when we had the two) be sent to that Charity.

I regret I have no time for them.    Especially their HEAD VET at one time.

"flat faced dogs  and French Pitbulls " ...  ??

French pitbull?

> French pitbull?

Hi,
There will always be one bad apple in any organisation.
From my experience RSPCA have been very helpful with educating me on proper dog ownership to be a responsible dog mummy.

Also during this summer I was having a roof terrace built which unfortunately had a maternity roost close by. As a result bats came into my home and slept on my ceiling.
I notified my local RSPCA via email and they returned my message within the hour. They provided me with comprehensive information on how to make a comfortable box with water for the bats and by the end of the day a volunteer arrived to my home to collect them.
I disagree that they would only help if a camera is present. Asides from security CCTV there were no cameras that the RSPCAvolunteer could see.

Regarding BBC’s senseless program, I am sure that the RSPCA would be happy and able to provide the BBC ‘producers’ with animal welfare information pertaining to why such a programme is an awful idea that will 100% have a detrimental consequence.

The RSPCA are not a scrupulous charity. They genuinely care about the well-being of animals and go to great lengths to help.
They are not obligated to do what they do every single day. Lest we forget that this is the same charity that was behind the Animal Welfare Act 2006 legislation.

Very few charities have the courage to influence Parliament.

100% Agree with you.
It would rock the boat especially for social media/Instagram and the ruthless puppy farmers but at the end of the day animals deserve rights and respect just as us humans do.

Lolol they spent 1/5 of their £140,000,000 + income on advertising how is that a charitable act?.

Sorry they have more pro hunters amongst their elected officials-not an animal welfare friendly status.

They photoshopped a"pile"of dead dogs to decry breeding of pedigree from health tested parents, preferring to steer people to their rescue dogs of unknown parentage & health status.

Their chairman who left last year got a seven figure platinum handshake-was that a charitable act?

Treat animals with respect in London, really, does that include the tiny yorkie that belonged to a wealthy supporter who died & left them millions from her estate as long as they liked after her young Yorkie. They waited until probate was granted & in their coffers & then put a perfectly healthy dog to sleep

Go on living in the world of make believe that is the RSPCA as a caring charity, who Royal patron took part until recently in blood sports

Hi Ann,
I do not live in a world of ‘make believe’ , I live and work in the real world in the legal profession and take pride in helping people. Just to be clear I wrote that ALL animals deserve respect. I did not imply that only London based animals should be treated with respect.

Clearly you are unable to process what I wrote or maybe you just have issues. Nevertheless, I am not going to reply to your scathing accusations about the charity. If what you allege is a fact and you can prove the above about the RSPCA’s immoral/ illegal activities i.e mismanaging public money, fraud via trusts law and misrepresentation etc -perhaps you should speak directly to their head office or report what you have just alleged to the authorities to investigate.

Have a good day.

BBC’s updated statement regarding their position for the programme:

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/statements/bbc-three-puppies?at_campaign=64&at_custom1=%5Bpost+type%5D&at_medium=custom7&at_custom2=twitter&at_custom3=%40bbcpress&at_custom4=E5DCDB58-3BC7-11EB-9D03-CB4C4D484DA4

Ann R Smith:

> they have more pro hunters amongst their elected officials-not an animal welfare friendly status.

Pro hunting does not make people inadequate of doing their legitimate job nor does it make them commit illegal acts.

> preferring to steer people to their rescue dogs of unknown parentage & health status.

As many of us (including myself) have advised possible new owners who post on the Forum to go to Shelters looking for a dog.

> Go on living in the world of make believe that is the RSPCA as a caring charity, who Royal patron took part until recently in blood sports

I'm not sure the BBC programme being the thread topic has anything to do with blood sports (that is a whole different conversation/debate)

We will have to agree to disagree as I believe, on the whole, like any other rescue, they do a fantastic job and as previously posted,
not every or perhaps any organisation is 'Sqeaky Clean'

I lost a lot of respect for RSPCA when I reported an online advert to their cruelty hotline a few years which featured a puppy with freshy cropped-cut off- ears.  They were still bleeding in the advert photos. They said they would not send anyone out unless I visited the advertiser myself and got evidence.  would you go visit someone capable of cutting a puppies ears off?  well neither would I.  Following not wishing to help they then used the phone number I called them on to phone me back and ask for money as I had used their service.    When I saw a welfare issue recently I did not bother calling them but instead called the councils animal welfare department- who were straight on it and dealt with it.

Weimed:

> I lost a lot of respect for RSPCA when I reported an online advert to their cruelty hotline.

Goodness me, I'm not surprised you felt let down and horrified by their lack of reaction!

I must admit I have only had dealings with the SPCA (scottish division) when I reported a dog being beaten in our local park.  I knew the dog was brought to said park around 5pm everyday and the inspectors actually waited with me to witness the kind of treatment the dog was receiving just because it jumped up on passers by.

My spaniel/collie cross came from their rescue centre after being tied into a hessian sack and thrown in the bin at a layby.  People stopping heard him
whimpering and thank goodness, took him to the SPCA.

I saw him on their site, couldn't help but get upset at how cruelly he had been treated and enquired if I would be considered as his potential
adopter.....7 years on he is a very intelligent, bouncy, happy go lucky boy who is top dog on the yard.

I don't know if it's a regional thing, country of the UK thing or priority categorisation.   Awful whatever way you look at it!
NB  Do you know what happened to the little puppy with the ears cut off?  Makes me feel physically sick to even think that someone would do such a thing!