It was in mainstream.media bbc news and the like  brainless as well..as on  some of.the daytime shows.
Quite a thing made of it at the time however with the cutbacks in dog wardens policing is near on impossible so it is left i guess to rescues if a dog is found straying to report or.the police if they even still take stray dogs .
I also know a few who won't have it done as they belive it can cause issues like cancer in the animals . A minority of course

When you scan it tells you which database the chip is on, least does with the Halo scanner I have.

That's interesting but no, not all scanners do that.

You should never need to ring more than 2, because if it's not one of their chips they'll tell you which database it's on and give you the phone number.

Thanks, that's reassuring!

Brainless: BVA re Vets Policing the Law: Goodness me!  Seems everyone is having to self govern, no policing of animal welfare, no black & white rules of legislation and no Vets reporting concerns of law breaking. Where does anyone go from here then on trying to improve wellbeing of the animal world?  Hats off to you Brainless that you still 'hold the faith'

Can be quite disheartening at times.

Brainless:I'm sure it is.  If we all keep 'banging the drum - despite our different beats' at some point, people will start to take notice - I'm sure of that!  Meant to ask - maybe a new thread topic - but why is it if parents are both free of certain genetic illnesses, why is it each puppy has to be tested individually.  I know Labs are not your breed but I am refering to EIC, HNPK, SD2. CNM?

Thanks FF 91 and RR, we’re very lucky to have moved somewhere with land so that’s been a good send in this situation. It was awful, nothing I’d ever want to witness or hear again. Treats are a good idea if she’s beside me but yes may only work for some dogs...this dog seemed more keen on flesh than any treat I could’ve thrown his way.
I’d forgotten about other places you can hire out though so will look into that for variety. As I said we are lucky we have our own land now but I’ve always enjoyed walking them out and about new places and switching it up for them. We managed a trip to the beach last week where we could drive on so that was perfect, meant we could seek a place out where other dogs weren’t and could spot them and steer clear with time to spare. She will get there, she’s such a determined girl and I can’t bare to see how unhappy and unsettled she is, so even if it costs me and arm and a leg with this behaviourist so be it. That alert meerkat manner really struck a cord with me FF cos that’s exactly how my girl is now. I try and have a train day and then a relaxing day(s) now because we went training the other day and it got really sunny whilst we were out and suddenly there were dogs and people everywhere and she struggled so much. When we got back to the car she was in such a state, no one was around the car but still she was like a meerkat and looking in every direction ears up. Bless her. She was also due to have a litter beginning of next year (if Covid settled down) but that’s been scrapped, she’s been through enough and I don’t think it would do her any favours whilst she’s like this - neither would it be for them. She played with one of my girls for the first time last week, bless her she’s been trying to get her to play but she’s just been too scared before. It was joyous to see, I did shed a little tear (what a sap I am!) She will play now but only chasing, as soon as one of them get close to her neck or try to mouth she instantly shuts down cowers tail between her legs and head down and if the other dog hasn’t got the message then we call that dog away - we try to spot it before it happens now to stop her feeling like that. I know she can improve because she’s come a long way already but unfortunately I think it’ll have an affect on her forever.

It’s disappointing that there’s nothing that can be done really to the owner/dog (although I’d like to add that I would put the blame on the owner not on the dog). I paid over £200 for her vet fees - not that I care about that, as I said to the vet thankfully I can afford it it’s the damage that it’s caused my girl and what damage that dog could go on to do. The vet said one of the wounds was 2cm away from a main artery and if he’d caught that then that would’ve been it. Makes me angry when I think he’s still out there.

> but why is it if parents are both free of certain genetic illnesses, why is it each puppy has to be tested individually.

It will depend on mode of inheritance, but both Genetically Clear should be Hereditary Clear and noted as such on KC reg documents, if the KC are listing those.

In my breed I have been keeping records for the last 5 years of some DNA tests, as KC have only agreed to record them since January 2020.

From my friend's expanded investigations it's not, especially if a dog is"typed", well known DW in London hates all bull breeds or crosses, she types them all & claims most are not chipped. She has the deaths of many dogs on her hands. Terrible woman was even featured on TV with her squad of police ceasing innocent dogs(including a KC registered chocolate lab) in her "patch"

If you use the Petlog public portal to check a chip number, it shows you which database the chip is registered with.

Those with access to databases can view full keepership details

Madforlabs:  So glad the best of a bad situation has been achieved and good luck for the future with your girl. You certainly have all the loving qualifications to mend her!
Wouldn't do any harm to shame this dog owner on social media especially now you are away from the vicinity. You have the area details of where it happened and the car reg no. of the owner.  If it helps just one owner in your previous home town - that would be a bonus...

The KC should really insist on parental DNA testing for all puppies(as the SV do in Germany) before dogs are recorded as being hereditary clear.

There's a well know BC case of a puppy affected not only by CEA(CH) so bad the puppy was essentially blind but the pup was also severely epileptic. The stud dog was a well used dog who in 69 previous litters had not produced a CEA affected pup. Subsequent parental DNA tests(plus CEA(CH) DNA testing) showed that the pup was NOT the stud dog's off spring & that the sire was clear & the mother a carrier.

I understand that parental DNA testing is to be required for some pups before recording their inherited DNA status by the KC

Brainless: Thank you for responding.  Those were my thoughts exactly and the reason I am confused re KC recommendations. KC do not automatically appyly 'hereditary clear' listing. My Guys each have a seperate notes file and I find myself cross referencing continually as the clear parentage doesn't seem to apply in said tests. Suppose it is another money maker from bodies they are associated with?

Something I learned was how it isnt always a good idea to go out for exercise every day if u have dog that's worried / nervous
They use the expression of thinking about a bucket.if your bucket is full ie full of nerves take time out to let the bucket empty. Ladders is another expression ,time to climb down the ladder .take a day or twos rest and do mental.exercise or just chill .
The meercat in our case is me as I have to be on high alert to avoid any situations that might upset her ,tbh brooke is fine unless we see a dog that isn't at her perceived safe distance. It's very hard work and I totally empathise with anyone else who is in this situation whatever the reaaon. In our case we belive ot was an ear infection that changed her  behaviour from one who was happy around other dogs to one who isn't

Ann R: Parental DNA Testing for all Puppies:  I know about this as I was victim to buying a Puppy who was not the progeny of the claimed sire.  It actually turned out later that the bitch seen with the Puppies in the next cage wasn't the dam either though lactating and litter crying to her.  I know. I was stupid and the reason when KC sent a questionaire asking if Breeders would consider including Parental DNA testing as part of their Puppy pack, I gave the thumbs up. However at the other side of the richter scale, many of us have to repeat tests which result in hereditary clear due to such misinformed guidance.

The main issue in UK is numbers, and lack of testing facilities fir a quick turn around to have tests back, and then registration docs back in time for puppy pick up.

As a breeder if I had any doubts about true parentage i'd rather rely in retesting than Hereditary clear status.

Luckily in a breed like ours with so few litters and available studs, such mishaps are less likely

Brainless; DNA Testing: I believe your responses are exactly the issues up for debate.  KC promote their own testing laboratories who report directly back to them (new combi breed package which I have used from Wetherbys included although one of my results had been already listed as Hereditary Clear) - a good thing in my book if you have a popular breed.  Mishaps are less likely in a smaller group however if that group becomes more numerous surely retesting for the sake of it would be an issue? Yes/No? Maybe just me?

Maybe starting  a new thread for a dna discussion would be helpful as we are going away from the op original question

Ann R:  a dog is typed: Sorry - have I got this right?  There is a woman warden in London who has an area assigned to her where she seizes dogs for euthanisation decided by type? High time she was weeded out and interviewed re her agenda!  We've just been debating lack of policing by Wardens but a squad of police can be asssigned to this devil woman???

furriefriends:  New thread. Yes you are right. Just had another subject come up on this thread re euthanisation of dog type in London.  So many diverse topics!

Thank you all very much for your responses. I agree hitting the dog is not a good idea and I am not sure I would be capable of doing that anyway. My reflexes are not so good at my age..I would probably miss and hit my foot! I also have no doubt I would come off worse if the owner saw me hitting her dog.

An umbrella i had thought of. I have a quick release one and I will carry that with me.
As for changing my walk, i have done so but the owner walks all over the place in our locality so I cannot get complacent.
I only let my dog off lead in one place which I feel is more safe but having him on the lead does not make HIM safe in any way. Just means the other dog can get him more easily.  My dog has changed in that he shows vocal aggression but mainly at staffies.  Generally he loves playing with any dog, male or female and he is a wonderful companion for me as I live alone.
I will always do my walks because this is important for both my dog and myself but I am constantly on high alert and anxious which is not good.

I do not know what the answer is if the authorities will not take it seriously.  Yes they were sympathetic and gave me advice (such as walk elsewhere) but then it just came down to giving the owner of the dog some advice, not an order. And when that owner was in denial (apparently she kicked off badly & said she would come and see me), the police said it was my word against hers. And that is despite a witness, my friend, who reported the incident & her threats towards us if we reported her.  If the two other victims of same dog attack had reported the incidents, it might have made all the difference.  But I will report so there is a track record of the dog if anything bad happens to anyone.

Anyway thank you all again. Keep safe.

I am so sorry. Its heartbreaking to hear your experience and to think one day I might be posting a similar message.
I live in an area where the main popular breeds are staffies and akitas. I am thinking of selling up to get away from the problem.  I cannot cope with the anxiety of thinking it will one day get him.
All the best to you and your girl.
x

From next year after 2 generations Hereditary clears will have to be retested.

I'd contact your Breed Health co-ordinator regarding the DNA Clears that need re-testing as to why.

I'd have thought the breed club/s ( Breed Council) would have advised it's members/breeders on the position.

Sorry folks for going off topic.

Brainless: Off Topic DNA Testing: Understand why after 2 generatiins re testing is required - you explained that to me previously thank you.  My Breed Club in Shropshire have very few updates/printable info regarding this. Yip sorry everyone for going off topic too

So sorry that you're going through this. I'm not sure what part of the country you are but there is a thing called L.E.A.D, which if is near you they maybe able to help. Unfortunately it is not in every city. As an owner of 3 Staffords I would agree with carrying an umbrella to distract this stafford and maybe go with another person so that it can be recorded as well as get others that have encountered this dog to do the same for evidence as this irresponsible owner has know clue and not bothered with training or socializing. Mine are never off lead unless in secure field or with hardly any dog traffic. Hope you stay safe and sorry again that you've had to put up with such an irresponsible owner.
Nessa

Thank you Nessa for your understanding. I know it is not the dog's fault but the owners.  She has shown absolutely no control over the dog and struggles to hold on to it when it is on the lead.  They had a staffy previously for many years and it had a bad reputation for being aggressive.  I only found out quite recently that it had been put down for attacking a man.  I used to meet the dog roaming free and at the time I had a female spaniel so it was no problem with mine. But now they have this big strong male and it hates my dog.
My niece has always kept the breed.  She had a male for many years which was not good with dogs but she was responsible and it was kept on the lead. Now she has a female which is lovely with all dogs, well socialised from a very young age and just wants to play.
Thank you again for your lovely message.   x

My male is a yr old he's not aggressive but mouthy with some males who stare at him to long but always on lead and can be distracted and under control. My 10yr old bitch is not good with rude mannered little dogs, because of being constantly attacked at dog shows. But never ever retaliated, they have all been socialized and trained as showing is my hobby, but knew about other dogs and had no issues being responsible owner.
Good luck with your situation and hope you and ur dog aren't to traumatized with her stupidity

In your position, I would look into getting a body or helmet camera to video your walks.  Then if it happens again, as much as we all hope it won't, you'll have footage of it to take to the authorities.

Hi Nikita,  That is a great idea. I had not thought of that and will look into it now. I do take my mobile which of course has a camera but I would not be capable of recording my dog being attacked and it would not be wise to openly do so.
Thank you very much for this suggestion.

It’s also fiddly and when you’re busy trying to sort out the chaos it’s not possible to fish out a phone, find the camera and switch it on. The body cam is already on, and in plain sight thus giving the other owner ample warning/time to do the right thing. Think the body cam is a great idea, my husband has suggested it - I may consider it more seriously now.

Very true... I struggle to even get the phone out of my pocket when I am walking the dog!
I am just looking into body cameras and trying to sort out the best value one though you get what you pay for so not too cheap.   I am not the best with technology so its got to be easy for me to use. I think its a great idea and it seems from doing research that they are popular now.  Not surprising with not only dog attacks but cyclists and e-scooter riders whizzing down our local footpath at scary speeds.

if you do decide on one, would you mind letting me know your choice?
Many thanks.

Hello

The joys of modern day dog walking/living.  Also as a Stafford owner the bane of my life are people who do not control their dogs outside, causing us all to be tarred with the same brush.  However I wear a bodycam when out walking since an incident nothing to do with the dog. The police recommended it and have found it great for peace of mind also notice more horse riders use them now as well. (I use hacking trails on occasion) Have a look on Amazon lots available under £70 mine was just under £36 and I literally clip it to the front of my jacket or over my t-shirt neck in the summer.