That’s fine, I’ve put it in the BYB thread now.

> <br />Anyway, talking of viewing puppies, I'm off to meet up with two of my puppy owners to go for a walk in the sunshine.

Sounds lovely, enjoy

Firstly - what a huge long rant so I will respond to you in the same way. One accidental litter referred to Lois & Dashing Donald Bach who when ground works were being done by contractors. dislodged Lois's kennel door and she headed straight for Dashing Donald Bach.  Why him?  He is the only male who roams freely within our yard. Where did the 'experienced breeder for 17 years come from?'  I've never claimed that.  I inherited Taurus Star from my Brother as I did Rudstone Rosie (you refer to as untested bitch) without paperwork and bred them in ignorance at the time all those years ago. They have never been part of my programme of breeding which I started 3 years ago and Taurus Star was rehomed in 2016 simply because the new lady owner concerned was one of my kennel attendants, new him so welll and they adored each other,  As she is no longer in my employ, I am disappointed that she chose to breed with him however when you change ownership of a dog into someone elses name you do not get notification if future matings take place so in response I have no idea who these Dams you name are! Sadly Rudstone Rosie passed away but is buried beside her mother on our land not far from our farmhouse. You seem fixated by history not present day.  I don't own Trelystan Donald Jack.  He was a Puppy who went to his New Owner at 8 weeks old.  I have already stated this fact in my original post which you ignored.  When did I say any of my dogs had had 9 genetic tests,  I only confirmed that they are fully health tested according to KC Guidelines.(feel free to check what these are although I suspect you already know being so heavily involved with KC)  This really has become a personal vandetta where you continue to hound me - on the verge of personal trolling.  You have already been banned from the forum for your abusive outbursts and not just the word 'bollocks' either. Although the thread had to be pulled the CD mediators on investigation of such found you to be lying and advised you to  'stop playing the victim'.  I have taken so many people's perspectives on board during reflection time but you have learnt nothing from your ban

> am disappointed that she chose to breed with him however when you change ownership of a dog into someone elses name you do not get notification if future matings take place

Something it is wise to do if you do not neuter a dog before re-homing, is to ENDORSE IT 'PROGENY NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REGISTRATION'.

Many do not reaslise endorsements can be placed (or removed by the person placing them) at any time, as long as the dog is in your physical ownership at the time.

Most responsible breedrs 'endorse' all their puppies in this way, and will only remove them if the circumstances are appropriate, usually have had and got approprite health test results, and the owner exhibits responsiblity reference breeding.

Of course it can't physically prevent breeding but will stop registration of offspring, as long as the endorsement is properly placed.

This also helps protect a breeders reputation.

Endorsements.  I highlighted endorsing originally and was shot down by one of your members that it was pointless and not enforceable.  Another disagreable policy amongst forum members.  So much controversy.  I'm  at a loss in so many areas with this group.

As I pointed out it can't stop breeding non KC registered puppies, but properly placed endorsements are enforceable, and prevent registration of offspring.

> Endorsements.  I highlighted endorsing originally and was shot down by one of your members that it was pointless and not enforceable.  Another disagreable policy amongst forum members.  So much controversy.  I'm  at a loss in so many areas with this group.

I'm one that's all for endorsements, if breeders follow the rules when placing them they should stand up with the kc. Although of course as with everything there are always underhanded ways around.

As a form membership is made up of individual people with their own thought and opinions, so not everyone is going to agree on everything. Sometimes the majority agree sometimes they don't. Endorsements being one of the areas many don't agree on.

Properly placed endorsements will almost certainly be upheld, and although can't stop a dog from being bred from, it can stop any offspring being registered.

A good forum is never an echo-chamber of robots, all with exactly the same beliefs, but instead they allow rational, polite discussions. And as in Real Life, if you fundamentally disagree with someone, you agree to disagree and walk away.

Wouldn't not ever put endorsements on mine and I don't lift them either for pet only owners and have them sign not only the contract but also further sign under endorsements and what they mean and they agree and understand.

BYB thread:  Sorry tectona.  Just read this response.  Can't seem to find the post you added to though. Any ideas?

Jeangenie:  A good forum is never an echo-chamber of robots: I couldn't agree more.  I have never had the privilage of polite discussion on this forum and just when I thought the 'agree to disagree' rule applied - more accusations and blame for everything bad in someone else's private life. Continuing on the original thread re endorsements.  It is something I think would prove to be a grey area re enforecement. if there comes a point when rehoming is an advantage to my pack of 'lovlies' I would prefer to spey.  Taking notice of this forums feedback I am now seriously thinking of endorsing my litters moving forward as at least there would be some sort of security for their future.

Sleeping_Lion to Hoggie: Social Media will already know about you:  Just picked this message up and in response I have no involvement with my dogs or advertise on scocial media, I don't have to.  Just a wee word of advice - you put up horredndous posts regarding another CD member on social media and when they were advised of your liable/unjust comments they removed your posts/pages.  The CD Breeder who alerted me to this has told me not to take any notice of your tactics, you really don't have any credibility in the Labrador world and have a reputation for being a bit bonkers.  He also mentioned you pick on someone just to vent and that jealousy is your main motivation.  Just his opinion! If I find you have done the same on this instance and you have added any laibous comments, I will sue?

masajackrussell- Poor Health Test Results & undertakings?  Could you clarify your comment please?

>Poor Health Test Results & undertakings?  Could you clarify your comment please?

I can't find that comment anywhere in this thread, and definitely not by the person you seem to be quoting. This is getting extremely confusing and again, off-topic.

Champdogs topics marked with a red star are,I believe posted to the Champdogs Facebook page thus making them available " on social media" to everyone.

Jeangenie:  Can't find the thread:  I am so sorry to give people a hard time however, I feel I have to address things that are assumptions and not facts: If it is the comment by sleeping_lion you are looking for then the thread is on the general board.  If it is the response to masajackrussell it is on the topics board and it is in relation to the PM the it relates to comments re 'life time of support'.  Can't be any more helpthan that I'm afraid.

> If it is the response to masajackrussell it is on the topics board and it is in relation to the PM the it relates to comments re 'life time of support'.

Hoggie, there isn't 'Topics Board'; I'm getting more bewildered than ever! Please, it would make conversations a lot easier to follow if you kept each reply in the relevant thread; for instance this one is about the necessity of viewing a puppy before buying; it makes sense to only reply here  to comments that are already within it, and not import them from other threads.

Well I seem to have had an unsolicited message on social media from a member who has been told I want nothing to do with.

Pm usually relates to private message sent on fb to someone .
We wouldn't have any Knowledge of those as by definition they are private between 2 people on fb
Don't understand  where that comment fits on cd at all ?
I have been on cd for years and can't remember  a time when threads have ever become so confusing and difficult to follow what is going on before

> it makes sense to only reply here  to comments that are already within it, and not import them from other threads.

Couldn't agree more

Indeed furriefriends and I haven’t sent a PM...

Well I have got a PM from someone on FB with the name of Elaine Hogg, unsolicited, and I'm presuming the person on here as Hoggie. 

Can I just say, great detective work, since I have never hidden my name or kennel affix from anyone.

Sorry sleeping lion my comment wasn't aimed at you. I was trying to workout  why hoggie was talking about pm .something that has nothing to do with cd .
I think i would be doing some blocking on fb if it were me.

I've just noticed a bit of a reply above, which I think was aimed at me, I've never posted anything unsubstantiated on here, or elsewhere.  As far as the breeder that alerted Hoggie to anything, to be quite frank, I only take note of people I have respect for within the Labrador world, or anywhere else, the rest probably just don't like the truth.

This has gone way off topic yet again.. Admin please could posts which have no relevance be removed.

Sleeping_Lion.  The reply you made to me on this very topic highlighting and I quote "Social Media already know about you" unquote. I had earlier received a Private Message on the CD site by pressing the icon marked 'messages' and the detail in that message was as below where you went onto fb (not CD) and started posting terrible things about this particular CD Member, his Labradors & his practices. He finished this private message by advising me and I quote "I should take no notice of your tactics, you have no credibility in the Labrador wordl and have a reputation for being a bit bonkers" unquote.  He also mentioned you pick on someone just to vent and that jealousy is your main motivation.

Sleeping_Lion:  "never posted anything unsubstantiated on here, or elsewhere"?
I beg to differ - the breeder in question sent me the screen shotof just some of the pages you wrote to my own email address.
Sleeping_Lion:  "I only take notice of people I respect  etc etc probably don't like the truth"
Is that your "truth" or their truth?

furriefriends:  The pm I refer to is the private message section on this CD site marked with the icon of an envelope and reads' Messages' at the top of the page, and something I spent a very long time & made several requests for Sleeping_Lion to do use as all her comments were totally off thread on another page/topic/subject.  Re fb blocking - I had to look for Sleeping_Lion on that social media site to see if she had written liablous comments on fb re my practics as she had with a previous CD Member who incidentally gave me her known name even though she lists herself as living in Timbuktu,

suejaw;  "off topic yet again":  3 members currently involved in this conversation are discussing anything but the thread topic.  It seems as if only certain one's can have good old gossip about everybody and everything on here.  Spending over an hour the other night trying to persuade a member to stop replying with non thread material and I infact have been pulled up so often for sayingto someone 'you're going off thread' to their comments.  So I'd like to see them all removed too.

Sleeping-Lion:  Detective work on fb:  your name is an alias on CD and I never look at your links etc anyway.  I was given your real name by another CD Member advising me that you write liablous things on facebook, several have had to be removed by fb and to search to see if I were the victim this time.  Gossip gossip gossip on here again!  You started these messages on the 7th Sept under a different thread yet again.  Having them all pulled is the only option and probably will happen.

Jeangenie:  There isn't a topics board: 'Board Index', 'Active Topics'.General Board' & 'Messenger'  All at the top of the 'Champdogs Information Exchange' page

Jeangenie:  Reply to only comments that are already within the thread:  I am replying to the comments within it and the majority of the 'gossip ones' not thread comments are directed at me or discussing my credibility.  So hooray if they do get pulled!  The majority of the threads that cause negative reactions are started by a certain individual who puts it out there and then waits to turn it into something personal.  Just check the above icons/forum options if you want proof.  I understand if you haven't been aware of these options that it would be difficult for anyone to get a balanced view.

Understand now about the pm from here .u are aware that admin can read pm on here unlike those on fb
I really do feel.that these conversations should not  be ones had on a public forum.
  they have  become personal to those involved and are not in the spirit of cd to be informative about dogs
I agree with suejaw they should be deleted and back to the appropriate threads .
Problems between  individuals should be taken via  admin or only privately.

furriefriends:  PM on CD:  I totally agree with every comment you have made. Inviting an individual to PM myself was to do exactly that and to keep their personal replies separate from the forum thread pages and yes aware admin can view.  Thank you very much for responding

>'Board Index', 'Active Topics'.General Board' & 'Messenger'

Hoggie; as I said, there isn't a 'Topics' board, as you directed me to. In this Forum there are very many Boards: the Breeding board, the Behaviour board, the Health board, the Feeding board and so on, as well as the General board, all found in the Board Index page. Each post gives rise to its own thread, and comments within these threads shouldn't be referred to in others, because it only causes confusion. I only mention this because you seem at a loss to know how a Forum functions.

Garbo:  Champdog's topics marked with a red star posted to facebook:
Do you know if it is the original thread starter who makes this choice or the cd admin dept?  Thanks in advance

> This has gone way off topic yet again.. Admin please could posts which have no relevance be removed.

Unfortunately I am way too busy to waste my time editing the post so the easiest thing to do is lock the thread. Yet another topic ruined :(

Quick note in public to the two people who have been the main instigators of spoiling yet another thread. You have both been banned for 7 days and, in future, any similar such behaviour will result in your forum membership being permanently being removed.

This forum system is not a venue for personal or private vendettas. Keep your personal business as just that - personal. This forum is not a venue for personal disputes.

https://forum.champdogs.co.uk/terms.html

>Do you know if it is the original thread starter who makes this choice or the cd admin dept?  Thanks in advance

CD Admin makes this decision.